Author Topic: "Bavar373" is the name of Iranian S-300 style airdefence system (Read 15584 times)

M-ATF · « **on:** September 20, 2011, 01:44:14 PM »

"Bavar373" is the name of Iranian S-300 style airdefence system
commander of IRIADF, Farzad Esmaeili announced conceptual design of Iranian long range airdefence has been finished and we are at detail design of it.
he said name of this system is "Bavar373" and it uses two or three different type missiles.
he said after first rumors about decision of Russia to not delivery of S-300 systems, Supreme leader ordered us to "go and do this national project yourself".
he says in the feild of radar systems of this system we have reached good points.

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اختصاصی فارس/ با تدبیر فرمانده معظم کل قوا؛
S300 ايراني با نام "باور373" ساخته مي‌شود

خبرگزاری فارس: فرمانده قرارگاه پدافند هوایی خاتم‌الانبیاء(ص) جدیدترین اخبار مربوط به مراحل ساخت سامانه بومی S300 با نام "باور373" را اعلام کرد.
خبرگزاری فارس: S300 ايراني با نام "باور373" ساخته مي‌شود

امیر فرزاد اسماعیلی فرمانده قرارگاه پدافند هوایی خاتم‌الانبیاء(ص) در گفت‌وگو با خبرنگار دفاعی خبرگزاری فارس، پیرامون آخرین اخبار از طراحی و ساخت سامانه بومی S300، با بیان اینکه این سامانه موشکی یکی از سامانه‌های پیشرفته دنیا محسوب می‌شود، گفت: با این حال معتقدیم که اگر تمام کشور را به سامانه S300 که از خارج تقدیم ما شده باشد و مستشاران خارجی هم 5 سال مامور شوند و حقوق و مزایایشان را هم خود روسیه بدهد، مجهز کنیم، 10 درصد دفاع ما هم تامین نمی‌شود، زیرا S300 تنها سامانه دفاعی لازم در پدافند هوایی نیست.

وی با اشاره به پیمان شکنی روسیه در موضوع قرارداد تحویل این سامانه به ایران، افزود: در موضوع قرارداد S300، طرف ایرانی تمام مفاد قرارداد را تا سال 2007 به صورت کامل اجرا کرد و هیچ مورد شبهه‌ برانگیزی وجود نداشت و قرار بود این سامانه واگذار شود که متاسفانه به دلیل شیطنت دولت‌های غربی این کار صورت نگرفت.

اسماعیلی با بیان اینکه در حال حاضر وزارت دفاع مسئول پیگیری پرونده S300 است، اظهار داشت: دولت به خوبی بحث تخلفات صورت گرفته توسط طرف خارجی را دنبال می‌کند.

* دستور رهبر انقلاب درخصوص S300 همزمان با طی دوره نیروها در روسیه

فرمانده قرارگاه پدافند هوایی خاتم‌الانبیاء(ص) ادامه داد: البته در همان ابتدا و زمانی که اولین بحث‌ها مبنی بر تحویل ندادن S300 مطرح شد و نفرات ما هنوز در روسیه دوره می‌دیدند، مقام معظم رهبری به وزارت دفاع دستور دادند که "بروید و خودتان این کار را ملی کنید" و از آن زمان این کار در دستور کار قرار گرفت که طراحی مفهومی آن هم در وزارت دفاع، هم در قرارگاه و هم برخی مراکز علمی و دانشگاهی کشور آغاز شد.

* استفاده از چند نوع موشک متفاوت در سامانه بومی S300

اسماعیلی با اشاره به مراحل طراحی و ساخت سامانه بومی مشابه S300، تاکید کرد: اگر S300 در برخی موضوعات خلاء داشت، در طرح بومی این سامانه، این خلاء‌ها برطرف شده است و طراحی مفهومی آن نیز به پایان رسیده و حتی پروژه، نامگذاری شده است و در حال حاضر در مرحله نیازسنجی و طراحی دقیق هستیم که این کار مشترک با همکاری قرارگاه و وزارت دفاع در حال اجراست.

وی با بیان اینکه در بحث راداری این سامانه نیز به نقاط قوت بسیار خوبی در حوزه کشف و شناسایی رسیده‌ایم، تصریح کرد: وزارت دفاع در خصوص موشک‌های آن نیز پیش‌بینی کرده که این سامانه با دو یا سه نوع موشک در لایه‌های مختلف بتواند وارد عمل شود.

* S300 ایرانی با نام "باور373" می‌آید

فرمانده قرارگاه پدافند هوایی خاتم‌الانبیاء (ص) همچنین در خصوص نام سامانه بومی جایگزین S300، گفت: نام این سامانه بومی "باور 373" است که 373 از القاب رسول‌الله(ص) در حروف ابجد بوده و "باور" نیز یعنی ما باور داریم که این کار انجام می‌شود.

http://www.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=13900628000203

yaokiski_mx · « **Reply #1 on:** September 20, 2011, 04:14:23 PM »

Good news i am waiting for the pictures

aryana · « **Reply #2 on:** September 20, 2011, 04:25:29 PM »

i think it says will be built so it is not finished yet. get it?

aryana · « **Reply #3 on:** September 20, 2011, 04:26:17 PM »

http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=9006290050

Commander: Iran Developing Upgraded Version of Russian S-300

TEHRAN (FNA)- A senior Iranian military commander announced here on Tuesday that Iran is developing its own version of the sophisticated S-300 air defense system, adding that Iranian experts have removed the flaws and defects of the Russian version.

Speaking to FNA, Commander of Khatam ol-Anbia Air Defense Base Brigadier General Farzad Esmayeeli said that the country's experts have started designing and building an Iranian version of the S-300 anti-aircraft missile system after Russia refrained from delivering it to Iran.

He noted that the development of system, dubbed as Bavar 373, started at an order issued by the commander in-chief, Ayatollah Seyed Ali Khamenei.

Asked about the features and specifications of the Iranian system, Esmayeeli stated, "The flaws and defects of the (Russian) S-300 system have been removed in the indigenous version of the system and its conceptual designing has been finished."

Esmayeeli noted that right now Iranian experts in Khatam ol-Anbia base and the Ministry of Defense are in conducting the precise designing of the system.

He stated that the Iranian defense ministry system uses two to three types of missiles in different layers to confront aerial targets.

Under a contract signed in 2007, Russia was required to provide Iran with at least five S-300 air-defense systems.

However, Moscow's continuous delays in delivering the defense system drew criticism from the Islamic Republic on several occasions.

Russia refused to deliver the system to Iran under the pretext that the system is covered by the fourth round of UN Security Council resolutions against Iran.

After the resolution was passed, Moscow said that it was not obliged to drop the S-300 deal with Iran, since it was not referenced in the UNSC resolution.

But after Washington's continued pressures, Moscow claimed that upon further study of the sanctions resolution, it was freezing the delivery.

Iran criticized Russia, saying that since Resolution 1929 does not specifically ban the delivery of defensive missiles, Moscow has no excuse for refusing to commit to the deal.

Russian President Dmitry Medvedev issued a decree in September 2010 prohibiting the sale of S-300 missile systems to Iran, citing restrictions under sanctions the UN Security Council imposed on Tehran in June over its nuclear activities.

Iran dismissed Russia's justification that the ban on the delivery of the S-300 missile system to Iran was in line with the (US-engineered) UN Security Council Resolution 1929, and stated that this is an air defense system which is not included in Resolution 1929.

On June 9, 2010, the UN Security Council (UNSC) imposed a US-engineered sanctions resolution against Iran over allegations that Tehran's nuclear program is military in nature.

the8march · « **Reply #4 on:** September 20, 2011, 07:00:47 PM »

what does Bavar means?

Ayyash · « **Reply #5 on:** September 20, 2011, 07:07:23 PM »

Excellent, we can stop using the designation "IR-300" now.

Nightstrike · « **Reply #6 on:** September 20, 2011, 07:21:31 PM »

That can't be all you gotta say Ayyash?

mamdali · « **Reply #7 on:** September 20, 2011, 07:26:01 PM »

Quote from: the8march on September 20, 2011, 07:00:47 PM

what does Bavar means?

If I'm reading this correctly, 'bavar' has multiple related meanings and sometimes in combination with other terms. One meaning could be 'believe' or 'determined' (as in 'khod-bavari' meaning 'believing in oneself' or 'self-determination'). Another possible meaning is 'aware' (btw, interesting the similarity between 'bavar' and 'aware'). It is possible 'bavar' was chosen as a play on all these meanings given the recent difficulties purchasing the S300. In other words, it is aware, determined, and based on self-belief. Somehow I'm not totally satisfied with my answers though. I'd like to hear what others think.

Mamdali

rouz · « **Reply #8 on:** September 20, 2011, 07:52:13 PM »

Belief or credence would be suitable translations imo.

btw, Mamdali, where do you get aware from?

mamdali · « **Reply #9 on:** September 20, 2011, 08:05:08 PM »

Quote from: Barberry on September 20, 2011, 07:52:13 PM

Belief or credence would be suitable translations imo.

btw, Mamdali, where do you get aware from?

I'm stretching 'khod-bavari' to 'self-aware'--I think I stumbled on this in poetry at some point but not sure. BTW, bavar also means 'faith' (this one I got from google translate which isn't a bad one).

Mamdali

Ayyash · « **Reply #10 on:** September 20, 2011, 08:10:28 PM »

Quote from: Nightstrike on September 20, 2011, 07:21:31 PM

That can't be all you gotta say Ayyash?

Well, you know what Shakespeare said, "An S-300 by an any other name..."

I can't comment on the specific intent behind the name "Bavar-373" besides saying that it almost sounds like the same way they apply US-'style' designations to air-launched munitions. (AGM-379 Zoobin, GBU-67 Qadr, GBU-78 Qassed) in that it's in the general area of the munition that inspired it (i.e. 300/373) but it still uniquely different.

Bavar is also the name of one variant of the IPS-16 naval FAC.

ahriman46 · « **Reply #11 on:** September 20, 2011, 08:19:12 PM »

they are not gona make it mann

the8march · « **Reply #12 on:** September 20, 2011, 08:46:03 PM »

Are there some systems similar to the S300 other than Patriot and the Chinese copy? Do the Europeans have a long range air defense system?

aryana · « **Reply #13 on:** September 20, 2011, 09:05:14 PM »

i think it will be like north korean one.

YMJ · « **Reply #14 on:** September 20, 2011, 09:12:03 PM »

Quote from: mamdali on September 20, 2011, 08:05:08 PM

I'm stretching 'khod-bavari' to 'self-aware'--

Mamdali jaan,

'khod-bavari' means 'self belief' or 'believing in oneself', rather than 'self-aware' .

Khod bavari can also translate into 'self confidence'.

Aware would mean 'agah, ba'khabar, ba'etela..etc'.

Bavar is not related to aware, or awareness. It translates to 'belief' or 'bavari' to 'beleiving'.

mamdali · « **Reply #15 on:** September 20, 2011, 09:34:25 PM »

Quote from: YMJ on September 20, 2011, 09:12:03 PM

Mamdali jaan,

'khod-bavari' means 'self belief' or 'believing in oneself', rather than 'self-aware' .

Khod bavari can also translate into 'self confidence'.

Aware would mean 'agah, ba'khabar, ba'etela..etc'.

Bavar is not related to aware, or awareness. It translates to 'belief' or 'bavari' to 'beleiving'.

YMJ-jan, the definition of 'khod bavari' coming from you, of all people, is quite humorous.

. Especially when you repeat what has been said just a post or two ago. Ablahi dardeh badeest bacheh-joon. Listen and learn from the educated.

Mamdali

YMJ · « **Reply #16 on:** September 20, 2011, 09:42:04 PM »

Quote from: mamdali on September 20, 2011, 09:34:25 PM

YMJ-jan, the definition of 'khod bavari' coming from you, of all people, is quite humorous. . Especially when you repeat what has been said just a post or two ago. Ablahi dardeh badeest bacheh-joon. Listen and learn from the educated.

Mamdali

Yes, your first post. I read that and in it you asked for others perspectives. I was replying to your second post, regarding 'self aware', as well since aware would translate to 'agah, ba khabar, ba etelaa'.

Here is what you wrote; i guess you have a memory of a gold fish:

Somehow I'm not totally satisfied with my answers though. I'd like to hear what others think. - Mamdali (the gold fish)

Migan, adabo az ki amookhti, az bi adaban. Ablah be kesi migan ke nemifahme khodesh chi dar khast karde.

Doesn't seem your too educated since you clearly asked for other perspectives in your initial post and now are arrogantly saying "i've already said it".

If your the definition of educated, i rather learn from someone else.

You must be one sad person that you resort to a personal attack, even though YOU asked for others perspectives.

mamdali · « **Reply #17 on:** September 20, 2011, 09:54:10 PM »

Quote from: YMJ on September 20, 2011, 09:42:04 PM

Yes, your first post. I read that and in it you asked for others perspectives. I was replying to your second post, regarding 'self aware', as well since aware would translate to 'agah, ba khabar, ba etelaa'.

Here is what you wrote; i guess you have a memory of a gold fish:

Somehow I'm not totally satisfied with my answers though. I'd like to hear what others think. - Mamdali (the gold fish)

Migan, adabo az ki amookhti, az bi adaban. Ablah be kesi migan ke nemifahme khodesh chi dar khast karde.

Doesn't seem your too educated since you clearly asked for other perspectives in your initial post and now are arrogantly saying "i've already said it".

If your the definition of educated, i rather learn from someone else.

You must be one sad person that you resort to a personal attack, even though YOU asked for others perspectives.

YMJ-jan, no need to get upset. I apologize I was insensitive to your emotions. However, why would you think I was asking you? You are well aware of my low opinion of your 'knowledge'. Perhaps I was wrong and should have explicitly excluded you? Ok, fine. From now on if I make a public call assume I am not referring to you. That's not forever though. Once I believe you have anything of value to add I will let you explicitly know.

Again, my apologies for hurting your fragile feelings.

Mamdali

YMJ · « **Reply #18 on:** September 20, 2011, 10:01:03 PM »

Quote from: mamdali on September 20, 2011, 09:54:10 PM

YMJ-jan, no need to get upset. I apologize I was insensitive to your emotions. However, why would you think I was asking you? You are well aware of my low opinion of your 'knowledge'. Perhaps I was wrong and should have explicitly excluded you? Ok, fine. From now on if I make a public call assume I am not referring to you. That's not forever though. Once I believe you have anything of value to add I will let you explicitly know.

Again, my apologies for hurting your fragile feelings.

Mamdali

When will this childish behavior cease? And you dare call yourself educated?

You have a memory of a gold fish; you forgot that you asked for other perspectives. You asked for other perspectives and i provided them.

What is your level of education, since you really think your educated. The level of arrogance that spews from you, to me is hilarious since i have been accustomed to being around very highly educated people from a young age. The more educated a person is, the more humble they become. You are not humble, therefore you must not be highly educated.

''derakht harchi poor bar tare, oftade tareh''.

ZamZam · « **Reply #19 on:** September 20, 2011, 10:57:50 PM »

lol all us iranians do is argue, its our downfall

Catsoo · « **Reply #20 on:** September 20, 2011, 11:33:22 PM »

Mamdali,

As I understand 'Bavar' literary means 'belief' as a name and 'to believe' as a verb! The reason Iranians call their weapons 'Bavar' simply stems from a fact that for years the Iranian mentality has been to believe that 'we can't do'! After revolution this attitude has been a center piece of IRI ideology to change to 'can do'. I will not go into history bur this has historical reasons and goes back to colonial and post colonial times when Iranians would only see 'technology' coming from abroad specifically from the West and Russia and later Japan and S. Korea in later times. This has been more prominent in weapon technologies.

Catsoo

rouz · « **Reply #21 on:** September 21, 2011, 12:45:58 AM »

...aaaaand YMJ ruined yet another thread!

mamdali · « **Reply #22 on:** September 21, 2011, 01:22:46 AM »

Quote from: YMJ on September 20, 2011, 10:01:03 PM

When will this childish behavior cease? And you dare call yourself educated?

You have a memory of a gold fish; you forgot that you asked for other perspectives. You asked for other perspectives and i provided them.

What is your level of education, since you really think your educated. The level of arrogance that spews from you, to me is hilarious since i have been accustomed to being around very highly educated people from a young age. The more educated a person is, the more humble they become. You are not humble, therefore you must not be highly educated.

''derakht harchi poor bar tare, oftade tareh''.

YMJ-jan, as I mentioned before, please accept my apologies. It was not my intention to give you the impression to dazzle us with your incoherence. Regardless, I know you have a propensity to argue, and quite often it is fun, but I must go now and play time is over. Run along now.

Again, my apologies for misleading you.

Mamdali

Username · « **Reply #23 on:** September 21, 2011, 01:42:19 AM »

Gents: let's take a deep breath and go back to the article!!

I love the way Iran is taking its revenge on Russia by damaging the S-300's reputation:

"The flaws and defects of the (Russian) S-300 system have been removed in the indigenous version of the system and its conceptual designing has been finished."

The Iranian technicians studied and worked with the S-300 in Russia as part of the contract to acquire the system. This puts them almost in a position to comment about the capabilities of the system. They would have never publicly state that S-300 has "flaws and defects" had they actually deployed it to protect the Iranian skies.

The other point that was written in Farsi about the designation of Bavar 373 was that the number 373 coincides with the letters of the name of the Islams prophet (pbuh) in "Abjad" letters.

However, what people will read in the "Wiki" in the future will be something like this: " When Russia refused to deliver Iran's S-300 missile defense system in early 2010, Iran designed and developed its own advanced version of the system. The B-373 is an upgrade of the S-300 system that removes some of the limitations and Flaws of the S-300 PMU-2."

Iran: 1
Russia: 0

comandantecarlos · « **Reply #24 on:** September 21, 2011, 06:54:11 AM »

I think you will be photos and possibly videos, you will see a huge surprise.
The current logic is a perfect copy we will see, potential donors, China, South Korea, North Korea, Russia.The development is too little time, in my opinion. Only manufacturing can be arranged. Iran has probably bought something in the manufacturing documentation, and organized the production. What is not so small thing.

Author Topic: "Bavar373" is the name of Iranian S-300 style airdefence system (Read 15584 times)

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