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Re: "Bavar373" is the name of Iranian S-300 style airdefence system
« Reply #100 on: November 07, 2011, 09:16:25 PM »
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Grom's maximum altitude is only 3,500 meters. It needs range improvement.

What if you put it on top of a 5,000 meter mountain?
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Re: "Bavar373" is the name of Iranian S-300 style airdefence system
« Reply #101 on: November 07, 2011, 09:17:39 PM »
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Ymj
you are being emotional I never said they were going to put.boots on the ground
My point is in an offortunate event of.war they can and.will defeat any air force, cause significant
Damage.on the ground by bombing infrastructure and they do not care if they have.committed
War crimes.as.usual it is a double standard war on terror
What is unknown is how much damage can Iran cause
When she retaliates .
The other wars you mentioned Afghanistan has no
Infrastructure and creddible armed forces they could
Flown F4 and still accomplished the goals
Iraq got blown back to medevil times before they put
Boots on the ground
Summary this Assholes will not use boots on the ground
Because they know they can not

What is Irans defense doctrine? After you answer i'll reply to your post.

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Re: "Bavar373" is the name of Iranian S-300 style airdefence system
« Reply #102 on: November 08, 2011, 03:06:07 AM »
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Iran has already shown Bavar 373 in a parade few years ago

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Re: "Bavar373" is the name of Iranian S-300 style airdefence system
« Reply #103 on: November 08, 2011, 04:38:36 AM »
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Iran has already shown Bavar 373 in a parade few years ago

I thought that was just an older variant of the S-300.

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Re: "Bavar373" is the name of Iranian S-300 style airdefence system
« Reply #104 on: November 08, 2011, 11:00:42 AM »
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I thought that was just an older variant of the S-300.

No there was a lot of negative comments and propaganda and it blocked the truth

Iran has a strange way of communicating

that was Bavar 373

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Re: "Bavar373" is the name of Iranian S-300 style airdefence system
« Reply #105 on: November 08, 2011, 12:03:38 PM »
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No there was a lot of negative comments and propaganda and it blocked the truth

Iran has a strange way of communicating

that was Bavar 373

I thought it was the S-300, how can you be sure it is the Bavar 373?

Its true that Iran has a very strange way of communicating and very hard for someone who doesn't understand Iranian mentality, culture and history to understand whats their reasoning behind things and meaning.

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Re: "Bavar373" is the name of Iranian S-300 style airdefence system
« Reply #106 on: November 08, 2011, 01:00:51 PM »
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Guys that was not the s-300 or bavar, on the truck it was written "ma mitanim" meaning we can do it, so they just trying to say they are capable of making such systems.

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Re: "Bavar373" is the name of Iranian S-300 style airdefence system
« Reply #107 on: November 17, 2011, 04:55:28 AM »
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What if you put Grom on top of a 5,000 meter mountain?

That will give you 8,500 meters altitude of intercept.

By the way Iran operates similar MANPAD missile Misagh-2. Both Grom and Misagh-2 need their range to
be improved further. To 22,000 meters of altitude.

So pay millions of dollars to Scientists that will improve Misagh-2 MANPAD missile.

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Re: "Bavar373" is the name of Iranian S-300 style airdefence system
« Reply #108 on: November 17, 2011, 02:17:50 PM »
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By the way Iran operates similar MANPAD missile Misagh-2. Both Grom and Misagh-2 need their range to
be improved further. To 22,000 meters of altitude.

Then it will not be a MANPAD!


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Re: "Bavar373" is the name of Iranian S-300 style airdefence system
« Reply #109 on: November 17, 2011, 03:30:48 PM »
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Then it will not be a MANPAD!


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No prob! Sure that Hossein Rezazadeh can fire 2 of them at the same time... :-\

Edit:  Behdad Salimikordasiabi can do another 2 at the same time. So maybe there is a need for special Manpads Numbers posted  ::)
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Re: "Bavar373" is the name of Iranian S-300 style airdefence system
« Reply #110 on: November 18, 2011, 07:55:16 AM »
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Then it will not be a MANPAD!

Misagh-2.

Effective range: 5000 m
Maximum altitude: 3500 m
Reaction time: 5 seconds
Maximum velocity: nearly 2.9 mach
Fire and Forget Infrared seeker (it can see Stealth Aircrafts)
Missile weight: 11.32 kg
Warhead weight: 1.42 kg
Storage life: 8 years

Well, if we increase altitude of Misagh-2 to 22,000 meters (3,500 meters x 7 = 24,500 meters)
then the weight will be 11.32 x 7 = 79.24 kilograms. Missile diameter will be larger and the length will
stay the same. And missile range will be 35,000 meters (5,000 meters x 7 = 35,000 meters).

80 kilograms missile still can be carried in 2 parts, 40 kilograms each. So it is still a MANPAD.

(My calculation is an approximation. Missile weight can be further descreased by increasing a number of
missile stages from 1 to 3.)
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Re: "Bavar373" is the name of Iranian S-300 style airdefence system
« Reply #111 on: November 18, 2011, 11:08:30 AM »
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Well, if we increase altitude of Misagh-2 to 22,000 meters (3,500 meters x 7 = 24,500 meters)
then the weight will be 11.32 x 7 = 79.24 kilograms. Missile diameter will be larger and the length will
stay the same. And missile range will be 35,000 meters (5,000 meters x 7 = 35,000 meters).


Its not so simple, plus it wont be a single-man carried like Misagh-2.

Iran has plenty of high-altitude AA weapons, from smart missiles to artillery, for example:

"Iran's "new 100mm anti-aircraft gun is capable of reaching target enemy aircraft at an altitude of 55,000 feet (about 18 kilometers)."

Iran Produces New Radar Controlled High Altitude Anti-Aircraft Cannon Small | Large


http://edition.presstv.ir/detail/84309.html
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Re: "Bavar373" is the name of Iranian S-300 style airdefence system
« Reply #112 on: November 18, 2011, 11:46:15 AM »
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Its not so simple, plus it wont be a single-man carried like Misagh-2.

I told you already, improved "high altitude" Misagh-2 MANPAD can be carried by 2 people and then reassembled at deployment site.
So it is still a MANPAD.

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Iran has plenty of high-altitude AAA weapons, from smart missiles to artillery.

Both I-HAWK and SA-5 Gammon "high altitude" Anti Aircraft Missiles (in Iran possesion) can not see Stealth Aircrafts at all.

Also only I-HAWK missile (with altitude of 20 kilometers) is light enough (590 kilograms) to be easily redeployable by half-
truck. SA-5 (S-200) Gammon (with altitude of 40 kilometers) is to heavy (7,100 kilograms) to be easily redeployable.

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"Iran's "new 100mm anti-aircraft gun is capable of reaching target enemy aircraft at an altitude of 55,000 feet (about 18
kilometers)."

100 mm AA gun can not see Stealth Aircrafts if it uses 2D Radar Imaging.
16.7 kilometers (or 55,000 feet) of altitude is not completely "high altitude" (or 22,000 meters).

And 100 mm AA gun is not easily concealable since it made of metal and can be seen easily by enemy Aircraft's Radar.

SA-5 Gammon is not easily concealable as well. While I-HAWK has much smaller Radar Cross Section and can be more easily hidden from Aircraft's Radar.

Currently I-HAWK is Iranian choice for short range SAM and it's positions can be concealed. It is produced by Iran. However I-HAWK can not see Stealth Aircrafts. That is why improved "high altitude" Misagh-2 MANPAD is needed.
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Re: "Bavar373" is the name of Iranian S-300 style airdefence system
« Reply #113 on: November 18, 2011, 02:33:58 PM »
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I told you already, improved "high altitude" Misagh-2 MANPAD can be carried by 2 people and then reassembled at deployment site.
So it is still a MANPAD.

OK! Now it will be called 'MENPAD'!    :D


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Re: "Bavar373" is the name of Iranian S-300 style airdefence system
« Reply #114 on: November 18, 2011, 07:10:12 PM »
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Me like the idea of a long range manpad on base of Misagh-2. This will bring asynchronus warfare to the next higher level  ^^ No plane will be save even if all radarstations are destroyed 8)

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Re: "Bavar373" is the name of Iranian S-300 style airdefence system
« Reply #116 on: November 22, 2011, 03:37:05 PM »
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Commander: Iranian Version of S-300 System to Join Air Defense Network Soon
TEHRAN (FNA)- A top Iranian Air Defense commander announced that the designing phase of the Iranian version of the sophisticated S-300 air defense missile system has ended and the system will soon be delivered to the country's integrated air defense network.




"The design of the system has been accomplished by local elite experts," Commander of Khatam ol-Anbia Air Defense Base Brigadier General Farzad Esmayeeli told reporters in Iran's Northeastern holy city of Mashhad on Tuesday.

"The system has been designed by Khatam ol-Anbia Air Defense Command, Iranian industries and academic centers and will join the country's air defense network in the near future," Esmayeeli noted.

He further said that the missile system, dubbed as Bavar (Belief) 373, is even more powerful and more advanced than the Russian S-300.

"With this powerful system in our hand, we would not think of S-300 anymore," Esmayeeli stated.

"Bavar 373 system is an important and completely indigenous achievement that can be a powerful rival for S-300," the commander reiterated.

General Esmayeeli first announced in September that Iran is developing its own version of the sophisticated S-300 air defense system, adding that Iranian experts have removed the flaws and defects of the Russian version.

Esmayeeli told FNA at the time that the country's experts have started designing and building an Iranian version of the S-300 anti-aircraft missile system after Russia refrained from delivering it to Iran.

Under a contract signed in 2007, Russia was to provide Iran with at least five S-300 air-defense systems. But later, Moscow shrugged off doing its end of the bargain under different excuses.

Moscow's continued delays in delivering the defense system drew criticism from the Islamic Republic on several occasions.

And eventually, Russia refused to deliver the system to Iran under the pretext that the system is covered by the fourth round of UN Security Council resolutions against Iran.


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Re: "Bavar373" is the name of Iranian S-300 style airdefence system
« Reply #117 on: November 22, 2011, 05:35:25 PM »
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Iran tests local S-300 missile system successfully: commander
TEHRAN, Nov. 18 (Xinhua) -- Iran has designed and tested successfully an air defense system that has the same capability as the Russian-made S-300 missile system, the local satellite Press TV reported on Thursday.

"We have developed the system by upgrading systems like S-200 and we have tested it successfully using all our potential and experience in the Islamic Revolution Guards Corps (IRGC), the Army and the Defense Ministry," Brigadier General Mohammad Hassan Mansourian was quoted as saying.

This comes as Russia cancelled a deal concerning the sale of its S-300 system to Iran, Mansourian told Press TV on Wednesday.

He said that the details of Iran's long-range missile defense system will be unveiled soon, according to Press TV.

Iran inked a deal with Russia to purchase the S-300 weaponry systems in 2007, however, Russia scrapped plans to deliver the air defense missile systems to Iran as it falls under the UN sanctions, Russian Chief of General Staff Nikolai Makarov said in September.

The S-300 is an advanced mobile missile system which can shoot down aircraft and cruise missiles from up to 150 km away.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/world/2010-11/18/c_13612343.htm

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Re: "Bavar373" is the name of Iranian S-300 style airdefence system
« Reply #118 on: November 22, 2011, 09:53:55 PM »
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Mashallah . The development time for this SAM has been truly impressive . This was developed so quickly , If I am right . And shows capability of Iran Arms industry . This local homegrown system has advantage over S-300 , because  of it's operating characteristics are not known to enemy .

However , it says this system is based on S200 and is an " integerated " and " network " of air defence system . To my mind and I may be wrong on this , an integerated network  ( the data link provided by cable or radio signal )  has  proven  to  have weakness as for example in Iraq . When the data link ( a cable connecting air defence radars ) was hit from the air ! How this was done I am not sure . Probably radar or heat of cable . This destroyed Iraq ability to use it's radar system .

Should air defence be integerated and connected ? To my mind , in today's world where we are not short of computers & radar dish , the same platform could carry out all the work of tracking and targetting without a data link to a central hub . Radio signal can be jammed and cables can be cut . But an independant stand alone system that is mobile is far more survivable . :think:
Error is inconsistent with my prime function .

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Re: "Bavar373" is the name of Iranian S-300 style airdefence system
« Reply #119 on: November 23, 2011, 03:01:44 AM »
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Iran developing advanced missile defense system

Warning: Source is Zionist


By YAAKOV LAPPIN
11/23/2011 04:35

Islamic Republic may be receiving help from North Korea in creating a complex barrier to protect nuclear sites.
 
 
Iran could be getting outside help in developing its own missile defense system, a preeminent Israeli missile expert told The Jerusalem Post on Tuesday.

Uzi Rubin, an architect of Israel’s missile defense program, was responding to Iranian reports boasting of a new domestic missile defense system named “Bavar 373,” which Tehran claimed was “a substitution for S-300 (Russian) missile system.”

The S-300 was an aerial defense platform that was denied to the Islamic Republic by Moscow in 2010, despite an earlier agreement to purchase it. It was supposed to defend Iranian nuclear sites against foreign missiles and fighter jet attacks.

“Intuitively, it is difficult to imagine that the Iranian system is as good as the S-300,” Rubin said.

“Making the missile is the simple part. The problem is creating complex radars and other components. The effectiveness of the system depends on the radars. The Iranians have some skills in this, but years of experience are needed. It’s difficult to believe this can be done in one generation,” Rubin said.

However, “there are indications they are not working alone,” Rubin added, saying that North Korean weapons engineers may be providing assistance.

“They may be on the way to reaching these capabilities,” he said.

Click here for full Jpost coverage of the Iranian threat

A report by the semi-official Iranian Student News Agency on Tuesday quoted the commander of the Khatamol al-Anbiya Air Defense Base, Brigadier General Farzad Esmaili, as saying that the Bavar 373 had “higher and more advanced capabilities than the S-300” and that the system would be “completed soon.”

Earlier this month, the Yonhap South Korean News Agency quoted a diplomatic source as saying that “hundreds of North Korean nuclear and missile experts have been collaborating with their Iranian counterparts in more than 10 locations across the Islamic state... including Natanz and Qom.”

One of the most advanced multi-target anti-aircraft missile systems in the world, the S-300 has a reported ability to track up to 100 targets simultaneously while engaging up to 12 at the same time.

In Israel, there are two schools of thought with regard to the severity of the S-300 threat. On the one hand, there are those who argue that all means need to be used to prevent the system from reaching Iran.

Iran drilled a defense of its radar network in recent days against the electronic warfare of a hypothetical enemy, the ISNA said in a separate report on Tuesday.

http://www.jpost.com/Defense/Article.aspx?id=246628

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Re: "Bavar373" is the name of Iranian S-300 style airdefence system
« Reply #120 on: November 24, 2011, 01:46:46 PM »
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Intuitively, it is difficult to imagine that the Iranian system is as good as the S-300, Rubin said.
Making the missile is the simple part. The problem is creating complex radars and other components. The effectiveness of the
system depends on the radars. The Iranians have some skills in this, but years of experience are needed. It's difficult to believe
this can be done in one generation, Rubin said.

However, Phased Array Radar mathematics is very well known in UK universities.
Computer simulations were done to translate mathematics into C++ computer language.

If Iranian Technologists or Engineers will get their hands on correct
1) Mathematics
2) Microchip that can run that mathematics (like Japanese Microchips)
3) Old Russian Radar Energy source like Diesel Electricity Generators
they can build digital Phased Array Radar in 2 years (1 year for building and 1 year for testing and improvement).

Uzi Rubin should understand that modern mathematicians do not want to wait one generation when all Phased Array Radar mathematics is published in UK university books (openly sold in book shops).

Come here in UK and buy book on Phased Array Radar mathematics. Mathematics is real key to understanding of all Radar Technology.

For example Nebo SVU Radar that can see Stealth Aircrafts only transferred to low frequency wave. And that is only one modification to Phased Array Radar equation.
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Re: "Bavar373" is the name of Iranian S-300 style airdefence system
« Reply #121 on: November 24, 2011, 02:27:30 PM »
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However, it says this system is based on S200 and is an "integerated" and "network" of air defence system. To my mind and I may be wrong on this, an integerated network (the data link provided by cable or radio signal) has proven to have weakness as for example in Iraq. When the data link (a cable connecting air defence radars) was hit from the air! How this was done I am not sure. Probably radar or heat of cable. This destroyed Iraq ability to use it's radar system.

Should air defence be integerated and connected?

S-200 missile might be a problem. They are not as compact and transportable as S-300. S-300 carries multiple missiles in closed containers. S-200 does not have compact configuration due to side boosters and fins. For missile you really need to copy S-300 or Chinese HQ-9.

Air defence should be mobile (on mobile TEL) and integrated (means TEL should report to commander over wireless dish). If you have multiple trucks they have to be connected by a shielded wire (so there is no detectable signal from signal transmitted over wire).
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Re: "Bavar373" is the name of Iranian S-300 style airdefence system
« Reply #124 on: December 22, 2011, 10:05:43 AM »
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Commander: Iranian Version of S-300 System to Join Air Defense Network Soon
TEHRAN (FNA)- A top Iranian Air Defense commander announced that the designing phase of the Iranian version of the sophisticated S-300 air defense missile system has ended and the system will soon be delivered to the country's integrated air defense network.

"The design of the system has been accomplished by local elite experts," Commander of Khatam ol-Anbia Air Defense Base Brigadier General Farzad Esmayeeli told reporters in Iran's Northeastern holy city of Mashhad on Tuesday.

"The system has been designed by Khatam ol-Anbia Air Defense Command, Iranian industries and academic centers and will join the country's air defense network in the near future," Esmayeeli noted.

He further said that the missile system, dubbed as Bavar (Belief) 373, is even more powerful and more advanced than the Russian S-300.

"With this powerful system in our hand, we would not think of S-300 anymore," Esmayeeli stated.

"Bavar 373 system is an important and completely indigenous achievement that can be a powerful rival for S-300," the commander reiterated.

General Esmayeeli first announced in September that Iran is developing its own version of the sophisticated S-300 air defense system, adding that Iranian experts have removed the flaws and defects of the Russian version.

Esmayeeli told FNA at the time that the country's experts have started designing and building an Iranian version of the S-300 anti-aircraft missile system after Russia refrained from delivering it to Iran.

Under a contract signed in 2007, Russia was to provide Iran with at least five S-300 air-defense systems. But later, Moscow shrugged off doing its end of the bargain under different excuses.

Moscow's continued delays in delivering the defense system drew criticism from the Islamic Republic on several occasions.

And eventually, Russia refused to deliver the system to Iran under the pretext that the system is covered by the fourth round of UN Security Council resolutions against Iran.
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