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Excellent idea aspahbod . I like very much idea of using existing equipment in building a two stage rocket .Everything is there already with a bit of modification maybe . About range : the most likely and serious attack by planes ( that can be countered by sam ) is by using glide bomb JDAM and small diameter bomb ( sattelite guided ) . Release is from 40-50 km range max . So sam should at least have 40-50 km range against launch platform . I don't know about minimum range of release of SDB but plane will be vulnerable to other short range sam . So special sam is needed against most likely and difiicult target the launch platform for glide bomb JDAM . Planes using laser guided or dumb bomb are taken care of by short range sam . With planes using Cruise missiles from 4000 km . Like B52 or B2 etc . Interception of aircraft is not possible with sam . And very difficult with aircraft ( need refuelling ) . So the air-base or carrier is target of SSM's . The second stage for sam could possibly be several existing air to air missiles infrared or radar homing .

Aspahbod jan

 I read your educated common sense article and I really enjoyed it but

I have an idea,

lets attach a Phoenix missile on top of Fateh,   

phoenix goes 200 km at Mach 5 .

with fateh on one end you can easily get 300 to 400 km  range. 

now you have S400 

it can easily hit the cruise missiles as well
 
and use f 14 phase array radar on the back of a naynava truck. it does detection track while scan and etc so it is really difficult
for harm to find it

  and you add some taste by using some of these radars



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All that was needed was a suitable airframe, which led to the Navy's involvement in the F-111B program. Although the radar and missile systems started to mature (after the better part of a decade at this point) the F-111B proved to be considerably overweight and had marginal performance, especially in engine-out situations. At the same time, real-world combat over Vietnam was proving that the idea of the all-missile fighter was simply not viable, and any fighter design would have to be able to dogfight with guns, which the F-111 was simply not suited to. This should not be surprising given the F-111's genesis as a tactical bomber and interdictor.

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After many years in development and arguing with Congress, the Navy finally started development of a new aircraft specifically tailored to their needs. The new aircraft emerged as the F-14, armed with the same AWG-9/AIM-47 outfit originally intended for the F-111B. On the F-14, the AWG-9 is capable of detecting bomber-sized targets at ranges exceeding 100 miles (160 km), and its doppler system allows it to have look-down, shoot-down capabilities.[1] Track-while-scan capability is provided by an Intel 8080 8-bit microprocessor; programming it is accomplished using an 8-bit Assembly code.
 
Hughes delivered enough AWG-9 systems and spares to equip approximately 600 F-14A/B aircraft for the Navy, and an additional 78 aircraft for the Iranian Air Force. All of the Navy systems have been retired; the status of the Iranian systems is unknown, but it is believed that they are still in service.



Type
 
Long-range air-to-air missile
 
Place of origin   United States
 Service history
 In service
 
1974–2004  Used by
 
United States Navy (retired)
 Iran
 
Production history  Manufacturer
 
Hughes Aircraft Company
 Raytheon Corporation
 
Unit cost
 
US$$477,131
 
Produced  1966
 Specifications
 Weight
 
1,000–1,040 lb (450–470 kg)
 Length
 
13 ft (4.0 m)
 
Diameter
 15 in (380 mm)
 



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Warhead
 
135 lb (61 kg), high explosive
 Detonation
 mechanism
 
Proximity fuze
 
Engine
 
Solid propellant rocket motor

 Wingspan
 
3 ft (910 mm)   

Operational  range
 
100 nmi (190 km)
 Flight ceiling
 
100,000 ft (30 km)
 
Flight altitude
 
80,000 ft (24 km)
 
Speed
 
Mach 5 [1]
 
Guidance
 system
 
Semi-active and active radar homing
 Launch
 platform
 
Grumman F-14 Tomcat

@PERSPOLIS

Fateh would have a range of only 100km (and even less). Remember that S2S missiles cross more than 60% of their flight with fuel consumed and engined turned off. SAMs need their thrust in all their flight time to encounter enemy aircraft. I've explained this in a diagram in the Article:

http://gallery.military.ir/albums/userpics/Diagram1.PNG

Pheonix is a good idea. But it's flight path is quite odd and I'm not sure if it can really be used as a SAM as effectively as an A2A missile.

My estimate for the missile you are suggesting is a SAM with a range of about 250-280km. (Pheonix nearly matches the weight of Fathe's normal warhead).

A strange BUT good Idea. Thanks.