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Catsoo · « **on:** September 21, 2012, 06:48:45 PM »

Iran's Optimized S-200 Air Defense System Goes on Display in Military Parades

TEHRAN (FNA)- The Iranian Armed Forces displayed an optimized version of the Russian-made S-200 long-range air defense system during the military parades in Tehran today.

The S-200 systems were displayed along with other air-defense systems, missiles and radars in the annual September 21 parades, marking the start of the Week of Sacred Defense, commemorating Iranians' sacrifices during the 8 years of Iraqi imposed war on Iran in 1980s.

The ceremony took place at the mausoleum of the Founder of the Islamic Republic, the Late Imam Khomeini, in Southern Tehran.

Earlier this month, a senior Iranian air defense official announced that they are mounting new types of missiles on S-200 anti-aircraft missile system.

Speaking to reporters on the occasion of the National Day of Air Defense, Commander of Khatam ol-Anbia Air Defense Base Brigadier General Farzad Esmayeeli said that Iran has optimized the capabilities of the Russian-made S-200 systems.

"The system has been optimized in detection fields and electronic warfare," Esmayeeli said, adding, "Two new types of missiles will be mounted onto the system."

Iran's S-200 system is a very long range, medium-to-high altitude surface-to-air missile (SAM) system designed to defend large areas from bomber attack or other strategic aircrafts. Each battalion has 6 single-rail missile launchers and fire control radar. It can be linked to other, longer-range radar systems.

Each missile is launched by 4 solid-fueled strap-on rocket boosters. Maximum range is between 200 and 350km depending on the model. The missile uses radio illumination mid-course correction to fly towards the target with a terminal semi active radar homing phase.

http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=9106241378

Aspahbod · « **Reply #1 on:** September 22, 2012, 01:00:51 PM »

When do you think Fars will stop praising S-200?

1:This was the last time
2:Before unveiling Bavar-373
3:After unveiling Bavar-373
4:After that we scrap these trash and recycle them to make baby toys

My vote is for number 4.

Lord of the Rings · « **Reply #2 on:** September 22, 2012, 01:04:46 PM »

I think Iran might scrap s-200 once we made long range bavar-373 missiles.
but they said next year they plan to make a long range air defence system which will protect Iran till bavar-373 is created.
I think that long range air defence system will probably have a new version of s-200 missile.

s-200 is still good to be against likes of B2 and b-52, it is very fast (Mach-8) too.

Catsoo · « **Reply #3 on:** September 22, 2012, 02:34:51 PM »

Hold your horses. Iran has already announced that there will be new missiles replacing the current S-200 missile.

The S-200 missile is a very old design and with Iran's technology level it is simply logical to expect a modernization effort of the missile alone.

catsoo

V.eightsixty · « **Reply #4 on:** September 22, 2012, 02:48:52 PM »

Any pictures of the system in the parade? is the picture in the link the new missiles?

And i dont think irans modernized s-200 is going to be trash, i think itll be a credible system, just you watch.

Lord of the Rings · « **Reply #5 on:** September 22, 2012, 02:56:04 PM »

could Iran not make a solid fuel version of s-200 missile?
s-200 is a big missile, we could add an infra red seeker on it's head too.

Catsoo · « **Reply #6 on:** September 22, 2012, 03:07:56 PM »

I am sure it will wholly be upgraded and could possibly have a whole new missile too.

catsoo

M-ATF · « **Reply #7 on:** September 22, 2012, 03:11:53 PM »

Quote from: V.eightsixty on September 22, 2012, 02:48:52 PM

Any pictures of the system in the parade? is the picture in the link the new missiles?

And i dont think irans modernized s-200 is going to be trash, i think itll be a credible system, just you watch.

Iran has upgraded S-200 in some stages. The last time it was announced it will be upgraded in some fields like mobility and new missiles will be added to it.
Problem of missiles of S-200 is maneuverability of them that limits use of them only against big aircraft like AWACS or tankers (or maybe against big bombers like b-52 and etc. ) but not against smaller agile fighter jets. So even solid propellant version of them doesn't solve problems. It needs new missile.
If Iran really can solve the problem of mobility of S-200 for both missiles and radars and add a new maneuverable missile it means you have a really new capable system.

Catsoo · « **Reply #8 on:** September 22, 2012, 03:21:20 PM »

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Problem of missiles of S-200 is maneuverability of them that limits use of them only against big aircraft like AWACS or tankers (or maybe against big bombers like b-52 and etc. ) but not against smaller agile fighter jets.

M-ATF jan, this is not a problem as you stated. S-200 is a long range AD system. In upper altitudes maneuverability is quite difficult for any aircraft or flying object that depends on mainly control surfaces. In high altitues the air is much thinner and that is what causes the problem. In fact, S-200 is unique AD missile having many and large fin area. It should be a highly maneuverable missile. But even this missile cannot change course rapidly in high altitudes.

Then the question comes to mind "so if it is not so maneuverable how effective is it in hitting its targets in 60000 or 70000 ft?". Well the answer is quite simple, its targets have the same problem and as such they can't maneuver quickly out of the way!!!!!

catsoo

RG · « **Reply #9 on:** September 22, 2012, 03:57:26 PM »

Quote from: Aspahbod on September 22, 2012, 01:00:51 PM

When do you think Fars will stop praising S-200?

1:This was the last time
2:Before unveiling Bavar-373
3:After unveiling Bavar-373
4:After that we scrap these trash and recycle them to make baby toys

My vote is for number 4.

Why scrap them when they could be modified to be used as SRBM like the Tondar-69 which is a SRBM version of Sayyad missile. The S200's range is 250-300 km as anti aircraft SAM, therefore, it's range as SRBM would double. They could also be used as target drones.

Cheers.

nelsa · « **Reply #10 on:** September 22, 2012, 08:38:26 PM »

Main problem of S-200 is minimum range which is about 70 km thanks to boosters,at longer distance you can only shot down big air craft like bombers or refueling craft simple because when you shot from 200-300 km at fast moveing craft they can escape,radical change atlitude,.. or if you shot at 100 km distance they simple came closer than 70 km min. range.

nelsa · « **Reply #11 on:** September 22, 2012, 08:51:30 PM »

Farzadi was talking about this too,and I think they will use anather missile for s-200 for fighter plane, simple withaut boosters and smaler with shorter max. and min.range.

omedAFG · « **Reply #12 on:** September 23, 2012, 03:05:53 AM »

Isn't it possible to make the S-200 mobile? Maybe placing it on top of the new trucks unveiled at the parade?

nelsa · « **Reply #13 on:** September 23, 2012, 07:50:46 AM »

Problem is OBORONA radar wich is huge

V.eightsixty · « **Reply #14 on:** September 23, 2012, 10:50:27 AM »

Is there any pictures of irans new s200 system? isit the one in the fars news article?

V.eightsixty · « **Reply #15 on:** September 23, 2012, 06:39:33 PM »

Can someone please tell me if there are any pictures of this system???

shiageorgia · « **Reply #16 on:** September 23, 2012, 07:33:38 PM »

Quote from: nelsa on September 23, 2012, 07:50:46 AM

Problem is OBORONA radar wich is huge

Maybe stupid question but can it be placed on railway?

aryana · « **Reply #17 on:** September 23, 2012, 08:02:09 PM »

can they use another radar.

aryaghiai · « **Reply #18 on:** September 24, 2012, 03:51:16 AM »

Commander: Russians stunned by Iranian version of S-200 Air Defense System

Iran's experts have been able to optimize the Russian-made S-200 anti-aircraft missile system so well that the Iranian version of the system has stunned Russian experts, Commander of Khatam ol-Anbia Air Defense Base Brigadier General Farzad Esmayeeli said, Fars News Agency reported.
"These changes have been acknowledged and praised by those who have developed the system (Russians),"the commander stated, adding that the features of the Iranian version of the system are basically different from those of the Russian type.
Esmayeeli added Iran plans to change the system's name due to the profound changes it has made in the system.
Meantime, Esmayeeli pointed to the country's radar power, and stated that the Iranian air-defense unit owns systems that can easily monitor and trace all radar-evading and stealth aircrafts.
He noted that Iran's radar capability was proved during the military drills conducted in the last Iranian year (ended on March 20, 2011) when Iran warned two US spy planes which wanted to near the Iranian borders.
In November 2010, Iran successfully test-fired its sophisticated S-200 anti-aircraft missile systems.
Iran's S-200 system is a very long range, medium-to-high altitude surface-to-air missile (SAM) system designed to defend large areas from bomber attack or other strategic aircrafts. Each battalion has 6 single-rail missile launchers and fire control radar. It can be linked to other, longer-range radar systems.
Each missile is launched by 4 solid-fueled strap-on rocket boosters. Maximum range is between 200 and 350 km depending on the model. The missile uses radio illumination mid-course correction to fly towards the target with a terminal semi active radar homing phase.

http://www.armyrecognition.com/september_2012_new_army_military_defence_industry/new_optimized_iranian_version_of_russian-made_s-200_unveiled_during_military_parade_tehran_2309122.html

Catsoo · « **Reply #19 on:** September 24, 2012, 06:10:13 PM »

Aryaghiai,

That image of S-200 is a and not an actual missile. I would not be surprised if it is for combat purposes to confuse the enemy.

Catsoo

aryaghiai · « **Reply #20 on:** September 24, 2012, 06:28:36 PM »

The picture is the mock up from the s-200 and not the s-300 in the Sept parade of the Iranian optimized s-200. I agree that its not the actual missile but a mock up.

aryana · « **Reply #21 on:** September 24, 2012, 06:39:56 PM »

Quote from: Catsoo on September 24, 2012, 06:10:13 PM

Aryaghiai,

That image of S-200 is a and not an actual missile. I would not be surprised if it is for combat purposes to confuse the enemy.

Catsoo

which s-300 do you mean

aryaghiai · « **Reply #22 on:** September 29, 2012, 09:09:56 AM »

Iran Optimizes S-200 Missile Shield to Hit High, Mid-Altitude Targets
TEHRAN (FNA)- Iranian defense experts are modifying certain features of S-200 anti-aircraft missile system to give it a dual use to hit both high and mid-altitude targets, Commander of Khatam ol-Anbia Air Defense Base Brigadier General Farzad Esmayeeli announced.

"Following the current changes underway by our experts, S-200 will be able to hit mid-altitude threats in addition to high-altitude targets soon," Esmayeeli told FNA on Friday.

He underlined that the optimization of the S-200 anti-aircraft missile system makes the country needless of deploying other mid-altitude missile systems like Mersad and Raad in places possibly threatened by enemy aircrafts flying in mid altitude.

Esmayeeli added that this modified version of S-200 will soon have a new name too.

In similar remarks in July 2011, Esmayeeli had announced that the country's experts have been able to optimize the Russian-made S-200 anti-aircraft missile system so well that the Iranian version of the system has stunned Russian experts.

In November 2010, Iran successfully test-fired its sophisticated S-200 anti-aircraft missile systems.

Iran's S-200 system is a very long range, medium-to-high altitude surface-to-air missile (SAM) system designed to defend large areas from bomber attack or other strategic aircraft's. Each battalion has 6 single-rail missile launchers and fire control radar. It can be linked to other, longer-range radar systems.

Each missile is launched by 4 solid-fueled strap-on rocket boosters. Maximum range is between 200 and 350 km depending on the model. The missile uses radio illumination mid-course correction to fly towards the target with a terminal semi active radar homing phase.

http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=9106242666

Catsoo · « **Reply #23 on:** September 29, 2012, 05:34:43 PM »

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S200
؛ موشکی با بلندترین برد +عکس

فرمانده قرارگاه خاتم الانبیاء(ص) سامانه S200 را بلندترین برد موشکی در اختیار این قرارگاه توصیف کرد و گفت: بزودی این سامانه می تواند علاوه بر ارتفاع بالا، با تهدیدات ارتفاع متوسط نیز مقابله کند.
به گزارش مشرق، امیر فرزاد اسماعیلی فرمانده قرارگاه پدافند هوایی خاتم الانبیاء(ص) در گفتگو با فارس، با اشاره به بهینه سازی سامانه موشکی پدافند هوایی S200 توسط متخصصان داخلی اظهار داشت: این اقدامات موجب تغییر در نوع کاربری این سامانه شده و از آنجا که تمام ساختار سیستمی و تکنیکی S200 عوض شده، بزودی نام آن را نیز عوض خواهیم کرد.

استقرار سامانه موشکی پدافند هوایی S200

اسماعیلی، سامانه موشکی S200 را یک سامانه موشکی برد بلند و بلندترین برد موشکی در ارتفاع بالا در اختیار قرارگاه خاتم الانبیاء(ص) توصیف کرد و گفت: با تغییراتی که توسط متخصصان ما در این سامانه در حال انجام است، S200 می تواند علاوه بر ارتفاع بالا، با تهدیدات ارتفاع متوسط نیز مقابله کند.

وی با اشاره به بکارگیری دو نوع موشک در سامانه S200 تاکید کرد: این قابلیت ما را چندین پله به جلو می‌برد که اگر در یک سرزمین، سامانه موشک S200 را مستقر کردیم دیگر نیازی به استقرار سامانه موشک ارتفاع متوسطی مثل مرصاد یا رعد نباشد و طبیعتا این سامانه با هر دو نوع موشک، قابلیت درگیری ارتفاع بالا و متوسط را به صورت توامان خواهد داشت.

شلیک سامانه موشکی پدافند هوایی S200

فرمانده قرارگاه پدافند هوایی خاتم الانبیاء(ص) تصریح کرد: ‌در مبحث تغییرات بنیادی و سیستم کشف این سامانه نیز بسیار خوب عمل شده و دانشگاه تهران و اصفهان، صنعت دفاعی‌ و متخصصان قرارگاه پدافند هوایی توانستند این اقدامات را انجام دهند که این پروژه در 5 فاز طراحی شد که 2 فاز آن به اتمام رسیده و در حال شروع فاز سوم هستیم تا بتوانیم یک سامانه موشکی ارتفاع بلند و متوسط توأمان داشته باشیم.

http://www.mashreghnews.ir/fa/news/158183/s200-%D9%85%D9%88%D8%B4%DA%A9%DB%8C-%D8%A8%D8%A7-%D8%A8%D9%84%D9%86%D8%AF%D8%AA%D8%B1%DB%8C%D9%86-%D8%A8%D8%B1%D8%AF-%D8%B9%DA%A9%D8%B3
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Eagle2009 · « **Reply #24 on:** September 29, 2012, 10:20:42 PM »

I've often wondered if the Iranian military has ever contemplated the idea of upgrading their S-200 systems into a ABM system to defend against the ballistic missiles threats that surround them (Israel, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and Turkey). Iran certainly has the technology to do so, for example:

1. Boosters- Iran could likely develop lighter-weight more powerful solid-fuel booster rockets for the main missile.
2. Airframe- Iran could develop a more lightweight aluminum-alloy body for the missile to lighten it.
3. Engine- The knowledge gained from Iran's experience with other Soviet-based/derived liquid-fuel rocket engines should allow them to improve the burn time and thrust of the motor so as to increase the speed and max ceiling of the missile.
4. Guidance- Iran has already improved the S-200's missile guidance by replacing it's analog tech with digital components.

Such a S-200 based ABM could be a good interim solution until Iran could develop something similar in concept to the Russian S-300V/VM. It would have limits of course, but it's better than no defense at all.