Author Topic: Iran delivered "Sair" 100 mm automatic airdefence gun to IRGC (Read 4622 times)

M-ATF · « **on:** November 29, 2011, 07:42:06 AM »

Today Iran delivered "Sair" (in persian : "سعیر" or "Sa'eer") 100 mm automatic air-defence gun to aerospace forces of IRGC.
Ahmad vahidi said these air defence system can detect targets by optical and radar systems and automaticaly and fire to detected targets without needing to any crew.
He added by created predictions (I think he talks about prediction of flight path of targets) in this system, This system can shoot down targets with higher accuracy in comparison to similar air-defence systems.

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تحویل انبوه سامانه توپ ضدهوایی سعیر به نیروی هوافضای سپاه
ساعت خبر: 9:41 - تاريخ خبر: 08/09/1390
انبوه سامانه های توپخانه ضدهوایی 100 میلی متری سعیر، به نیروی هوافضای سپاه پاسداران انقلاب اسلامی تحویل شد.

به گزارش خبرنگار واحد مرکزی خبر ، وزیر دفاع و پشتیبانی نیروهای مسلح در جمع خبرنگاران گفت: سامانه توپ ضدهوایی که گزینه بسیار خوبی برای پوشش هوایی توپخانه ای در ارتفاع پست و متوسط است، در سازمان صنایع دفاع به صورت کاملا بومی طراحی شد و به تولید انبوه رسید .
سردار سرتیپ وحیدی از جمله قابلیت های این سامانه را اتوماسیون بودن آن بیان کرد و افزود: سیستم عملیاتی این سامانه به گونه ای است که با مجموعه راداری و یا اپتیکی، هدف را رهگیری می کند و به صورت خودکار و بدون نیاز به خدمه، توانایی شلیک به سمت اهداف موردنظر را دارد.
وی گفت: با پیش بینی های ایجاد شده در این سیستم، اهداف موردنظر در مقایسه با سامانه های مشابه با ضریب اطمینان بسیار بالاتری منهدم می شود.
وزیر دفاع با اشاره به برنامه های وزارت دفاع برای تقویت و روزآمادسازی سیستم پدافند هوایی افزود: با تحویل دهی انبوه توپ ضدهوایی سعیر، قدرت پدافند هوایی کشور در ارتفاع پست و متوسط به نحو مطلوبی افزایش می یابد.
سردار وحیدی با اشاره این که توپ ضدهوایی سعیر در برد متوسط عمل می کند، گفت: این سامانه می تواند تمام پرنده ها را در سطح متوسط و کوتاه هدف قرار دهد.
وی با بیان اینکه این سامانه حلقه مهمی از پدافند کشور را تشکیل می دهد، افزود: توپ ضد هوایی سعیر می تواند حتی بدون اپراتور و به طور اتوماتیک، اهداف خود را هدف قرار دهد و همچنین می تواند علیه اهداف دریایی عمل کند.
وزیر دفاع و پشتیبانی نیروهای مسلح اضافه کرد: با تحویل انبوه توپ ضدهوایی گام دیگری را در افزایش قدرت پدافند هوایی و برای مقابله با هر نوع تهدید هوایی برخواهیم داشت.
سردار وحیدی گفت: بهره گیری گسترده این سامانه در نیروهای بسیج، در حفاظت از مرزهای هوایی جمهوری اسلامی ایران توان زیادی ایجاد می کند.
وزیر دفاع و پشتیبانی نیروهای مسلح با بیان اینکه گروه های مختلف صنعتی وزارت دفاع در تولید این سامانه ایفای نقش کردند، از متخصصان زبده و کارآمد سازمان صنایع دفاع، شرکت صنایع الکترونیک و همکاری خوب نیروی هوایی سپاه قدردانی کرد.
سردار وحیدی گفت: تنوع، حجم و کیفیت بالای محصولات صنایع وزارت دفاع در حوزه موشکی، هوایی، هوافضا، دریایی، زرهی، خودرویی، مهمات، توپخانه، الکترونیک و اپتیک و سایر حوزه ها مجموعه ای از توانمندی های بومی را در کشور ایجاد کرده که قادر است بدون اتکا به خارج و بدون واهمه از هر نوع تحریمی نیازمندی های نیروهای مسلح را تامین کند.
وی افزود: نیروهای مسلح عاشورایی جمهوری اسلامی ایران با توکل به خدا و با تاسی و توسل به سید و سالار شهیدان و ائمه معصومین (ع) و همچنین با تکیه بر استعدادهای ذاتی و ظرفیت های بالای داخلی آماده دفاع جانانه از حریم میهن اسلامی هستند و همانگونه که در دفاع مقدس سر متجاوز را به سنگ کوبیده اند، آماده اند هر متجاوزی را با اقتدار درهم کوبند.

http://www.iribnews.ir/Default.aspx?Page=MainContent&news_num=315668

M-ATF · « **Reply #1 on:** November 29, 2011, 03:26:13 PM »

Some images:

http://mod.ir/category/%DA%AF%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B1%DB%8C-%D8%B9%DA%A9%D8%B3/%D8%AA%D8%AD%D9%88%D9%8A%D9%84-%D8%A7%D9%86%D8%A8%D9%88%D9%87-%D8%B3%D8%A7%D9%85%D8%A7%D9%86%D9%87-%D8%AA%D9%88%D9%BE-%D8%B6%D8%AF-%D9%87%D9%88%D8%A7%D9%8A%D9%8A-%D8%B3%D8%B9%D9%8A%D8%B1-%D8%A8%D9%87-%D9%86%D9%8A%D8%B1%D9%88%D9%8A-%D9%87%D9%88%D8%A7%DB%8C%DB%8C-%D8%B3%D9%BE%D8%A7%D9%87]http://mod.ir/category/%DA%AF%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B1%DB%8C-%D8%B9%DA%A9%D8%B3/%D8%AA%D8%AD%D9%88%D9%8A%D9%84-%D8%A7%D9%86%D8%A8%D9%88%D9%87-%D8%B3%D8%A7%D9%85%D8%A7%D9%86%D9%87-%D8%AA%D9%88%D9%BE-%D8%B6%D8%AF-%D9%87%D9%88%D8%A7%D9%8A%D9%8A-%D8%B3%D8%B9%D9%8A%D8%B1-%D8%A8%D9%87-%D9%86%D9%8A%D8%B1%D9%88%D9%8A-%D9%87%D9%88%D8%A7%DB%8C%DB%8C-%D8%B3%D9%BE%D8%A7%D9%87

and here is a video (Uploaded by Nasirirani at military.ir) :

higher quality (65 mb) :
http://www.mediafire.com/?cq83ik3hzk2oknm

lower quality (24 mb):
http://www.mediafire.com/?v0lv5e5zgaufcm9

Catsoo · « **Reply #2 on:** November 29, 2011, 03:31:34 PM »

M-ATF,

Thanks for the images. However, your mod.ir link is wrong it seems!

Catsoo

M-ATF · « **Reply #3 on:** November 29, 2011, 04:40:23 PM »

parsipride · « **Reply #4 on:** November 29, 2011, 05:33:22 PM »

Question
This can not be built from scratch so what system already in existence has been reverse engineered or
Is this a Iranian system altogether .? What is the significance of this system shooting down cruise , heli or low flying aircraft ?

Ayyash · « **Reply #5 on:** November 29, 2011, 05:44:47 PM »

So, does this mean that it took ~3 years for the system to go from initial development to delivery and deployment?

Catsoo · « **Reply #6 on:** November 29, 2011, 06:12:00 PM »

I believe the main part of the system was developed long time ago as we had seen. However, target acquisition
components are the new addition.

Catsoo

Harry_Thomason · « **Reply #7 on:** November 29, 2011, 07:23:16 PM »

Looks impressive.

maydayfire · « **Reply #8 on:** November 29, 2011, 07:29:36 PM »


IR Iran's Sa'eer Radar/Optically controlled Anti-Aircraft Artillary	Small \| Large

this Air defese system is intended to be cheap and for the use in numbers for the new Basij sector for Air Defense.

Catsoo · « **Reply #9 on:** November 29, 2011, 07:59:36 PM »

Can others confirm what I heard in the video that the user of this technology will be the Baseej?

Catsoo

karach · « **Reply #10 on:** November 29, 2011, 08:07:20 PM »

not a bad system for low flying objects. It must be dreadful.

But for medium or high flying ones, how will it deal with them?

That kind of AA Gun is used nowadays mostly against helicopters, incoming missiles, drones, low flying aircratfs (Su-24, Tornado, etc...)

maydayfire · « **Reply #11 on:** November 29, 2011, 08:13:51 PM »

Quote from: Catsoo on November 29, 2011, 07:59:36 PM

Can others confirm what I heard in the video that the user of this technology will be the Baseej?

Catsoo

apparently iran is increasing its layers of autonomy for air defense by adding a new sector called the "basij air defense" and like all other basij units the cheapest, most simple and most durable equipment are given to them

Lur · « **Reply #12 on:** November 29, 2011, 08:31:23 PM »


Armenian military D-20 & KS-19	Small \| Large

Here is an example of what the sair is based off the KS-19 I think Iran did a good job making it an unmanned system and it probably was not an easy task

the8march · « **Reply #13 on:** November 29, 2011, 08:36:23 PM »

Are there some Radars associated with this system? or just optical guidance?

Catsoo · « **Reply #14 on:** November 29, 2011, 08:46:16 PM »

Lur,

Your video is about a cannon. A very different system as "Saaeer"!

The8march,

The system is linked to an optical targeting system as you can see. It is also linked to a radar system. But there is no special
radar system for this system since it could use any AD radar.

Catsoo

Lur · « **Reply #15 on:** November 29, 2011, 08:48:54 PM »

its the original KS-19 which is what the "Saaeer" is based on
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/100_mm_air_defense_gun_KS-19

I was showing how Irans system is a huge improvement over the original

M-ATF · « **Reply #16 on:** November 29, 2011, 08:57:50 PM »

Quote from: Ayyash on November 29, 2011, 05:44:47 PM

So, does this mean that it took ~3 years for the system to go from initial development to delivery and deployment?

Ayyash do you remember planeman articles about analysis of satellite imgaes of air defence systems around Natanz in 2009(if i remember properly)? He had compared images with images of that area in 2008 and had indicated to deployment of these systems there.
he also had made animations about them too.

the8march
reports and Ahmad Vahidi in video say this system is equiped with both radar and electro-optical systems.

To me this system act like a 100 mm multi-barreled gatling.

PressTV clip:
http://www.4shared.com/get/KEetylNN/Clip_-_PRESS_TV2011-11-29-15-4.html

Catsoo · « **Reply #17 on:** November 29, 2011, 10:25:57 PM »

Also, from the videos I see about 7 to 8 units in the hanger and about another 8 units outside of the hanger. So the total number of units
being delivered is about 16 units. Certainly there must be several more that have been used for testing and other measurements.

One of the videos even shows the truck which I assume carries the radar.

Finally, pay attention to the cluster and how they are operated, they have coordinated controls to shoot down a target seen in the radar. Iran is
producing similar clusters with ZSU-23 AD guns.

Catsoo

reza18 · « **Reply #18 on:** November 29, 2011, 10:31:00 PM »

Nice system..This means they can build more of these and network them to a radar...A 100mm calibre round is massive and can do a lot of damage to any fighter aircraft due to it's higher velocity..I think each round is the proximity fused type so it doesn't necessarily have to hit right on target..A few meters close to the target is enough to cause damage..Well done, Iran

PERSPOLIS · « **Reply #19 on:** November 29, 2011, 11:05:15 PM »

http://www.mashreghnews.ir/fa/news/82031/گزارش-تصویری-تحويل-سامانه-سعير-به-سپاه

PERSPOLIS · « **Reply #20 on:** December 02, 2011, 08:19:12 AM »


Sa'eer Radar Optically controlled 100mm new anti-aircraft gun Iran Iranian army.flv	Small \| Large

parthenon · « **Reply #21 on:** December 02, 2011, 09:41:26 PM »

This reply is dedicated to Numbers.

http://asymmetronix.livejournal.com/608.html

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Possible advantages of an auto-loading & -homing AAA-gun with guided shells and with a muzzle velocity of 1km/s (mach 3) over an AA missile with an acceleration of say 50g (max. ever was 100g !):
1) cheaper
2) "reload" time and mass storage
3) excluding drag (missile has much larger diameter), missile would overtake shell at not less than 4km.
Disadvantages:
1) IR sensor matrix just too expensive when crude guidance is factored in!
2) 100mm maybe too small for built-in guidance, 155mm (the Ground artillery standard!) too expensive

Auto-homing could be accomplished by extending either the spin stabilization (SS) technology -modified Base Bleed (moBB); or BB combined with foldout vanes on a slip ring (srBB)- or Smooth Bore foldout vanes (SB) technology. The latter would be less complex but would limit this type of artillery to SB shells only, apart from the fact that the vanes would need to be folded out as soon as the shell leaves the barrel (instead of in the terminal homing phase only), increasing air friction considerably.

At 4km range a competing 50g missile would have a velocity of approx. mach 7 (> 2000m/s) making it one of a select elite of state-of-the-art AA-missiles (S-300 e.g.)!

Summarizing, two or more of these "guided" shell AAA-guns (medium-range) with a Goalkeeper (short-range) would be a great point defense system against any ordnance with a substantial IR signature (dumb and smart bombs, AGM's, cruise- and possibly ballistic-missiles) with these advantages:
1) cheap
2) faster (automated) reload
3) more ordnance per storage unit
4) small RCS
5) no missile exhaust trail

The conjectures in the quote were inspired by a YouTube video of the AAA system mentioned in this thread, in which the shell seemed to autonomously change its trajectory towards the target. This video has been widely debated on military forums up till about a year ago when it was removed unfortunately.

Note:
The thing with Point Defense Systems is, they don't have to be camouflaged or to "scoot after shooting" unless you want to mask the importance of the site. So a 155mm multipurpose (Anti-Air and Anti-Ground) gun with a long enough range, could remain stationary and still be used to engage ground targets as well, in coordination with other guns within its range. Another advantage could be that 155mm AA and AG shells are large enough to hold sub-munitions.

Ich · « **Reply #22 on:** December 03, 2011, 05:49:46 PM »

This is not that bad. Assuming that each shrapnel cover a quader of 100x100x100 meter, 8 of that cannons, linked to a fire control unit for optimal arranging, can build a zone of death of 200x200x200 meter into the flightway of a CM. 12 together cover 200x200x300 meter. And can attach a next zone of death due to autoloading every 3 sec. This sounds worth to build it to me.

aryaghiai · « **Reply #23 on:** December 22, 2011, 09:58:30 AM »

IRGC Armed with Large Numbers of Advanced Air Defense Canons
TEHRAN (FNA)- The Islamic Revolution Guards Corps (IRGC) Aerospace Force on Tuesday received a large number of air defense canons manufactured by the Iranian Defense Industries.

The 100mm air defense guns named "Sa'eer" were delivered to the IRGC Aerospace Force during a ceremony attended by the commander of the force, Brigadier General Amir Ali Hajizadeh, and Defense Minister Brigadier General Ahmad Vahidi.

Speaking to reporters on the sidelines of the ceremony, Vahidi said the automatic system is assisted by a radar-optic interception system and could fire at targets without crew intervention.

The medium range gun operates at an improved precision compared to its counterparts.

The gun is capable of firing 12 to 15 shells per minute.

Vahidi had earlier informed the media that his ministry planned to supply new air defense systems to the Islamic Revolution Guards Corps (IRGC).

Nonbarbari · « **Reply #24 on:** December 22, 2011, 10:35:47 AM »

I hope they received a really Large number of them..