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Iran develops air defense system comparable to Russia's S-300


16:1908/02/2010

Iran has developed its own air defense system comparable to and even more sophisticated than the Russian S-300 system, the IRNA news agency said Monday, citing an Iranian military official.

Russia signed a contract with Iran on the supply of at least five S-300 air defense systems to Tehran in December 2005. However, there have been no official reports on the start of the contract's implementation.

"In the near future, a new domestically-made air defense system will be unveiled by the country's experts and scientists which is as powerful as the S-300 system, or even stronger," IRNA quoted Heshmatollah Kassiri.

He said the delay in the implementation of the S-300 delivery contract was unacceptable, and Iran would do everything possible to protect its "sensitive nuclear centers."

Iranian Ambassador to Russia Seyyed Mahmoud-Reza Sajjadi earlier said the S-300 contract had been stagnated by some technical issues.

However, many experts believe Moscow has refused so far to honor the S-300 contract due to pressure from Washington and Tel Aviv.

Both the United States and Israel have not ruled out military action if diplomacy fails to resolve the dispute over Iran's nuclear program and have expressed concern over S-300 deliveries, which would significantly strengthen Iran's air defenses.

Russian defense industry officials have repeatedly said that Russia is interested in fulfilling the contract, which is worth hundreds of millions of dollars, but the future of the contract would largely depend on the current situation in international affairs and the Kremlin's position.

The advanced version of the S-300 missile system, called S-300PMU1 (SA-20 Gargoyle), has a range of over 150 kilometers (over 100 miles) and can intercept ballistic missiles and aircraft at low and high altitudes, making the system an effective tool for warding off possible air strikes.

MOSCOW, February 8 (RIA Novosti)

http://en.rian.ru/mlitary_news/20100208/157810928.html

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A nation with little foundation in the technology in comparison to Russia's decades of cold war rivalry in missiles and radar.

I'm starting to have doubts.


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my policy it does not exist until reaveld follow and you will have no doubts

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my policy it does not exist until reaveld follow and you will have no doubts
it fires stones out of a tube :)

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my policy it does not exist until reaveld follow and you will have no doubts
even if they raveled it you will say that you heard from a soldier that, it is not working.
  

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I am also doubtful, however, it could be a joint venture with say China or Belarus.

Or, the Russians themselves have been working with Iran on this to justify the 800 million dollar
sale that never materialized.

Who knows until we see it!


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atleast it does not come like mouj warship or shafagh or qaem that they announed and never spoke of again

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if true, its obviously a copy-paste of an older S-300 system, delivered from belarus a few years ago...
in that case it will be not as much advanced as the upgraded versions of s-300..thats for sure!
To watch the courageous Afghan freedom fighters battle modern arsenals with simple hand held weapons is a inspiration to those who love freedom. Their courage teaches us a great lesson-- that there are things in this world worth defending !!!

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castoo this was a old news, we had a topic for it.
where is it?

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Of course Iran did not make this. It's either the HQ-9 or the S-300 with a different appearance. This way we get our S-300 and they get to save face.

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Of course Iran did not make this. It's either the HQ-9 or the S-300 with a different appearance. This way we get our S-300 and they get to save face.

I agree with Shirazi. This may be a clever way for Iran to get the S-300 and for Russia not openly have given (sold) the S-300s to Iran.
There are times like these where the resolve of a Nation is shown clearly to the world. Oh this great Nation of Iran together with its proud citizens showed the world that when the Silent Majority gets rattled the world better pay attention:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ls4I37lQrw&feature=player_embedded#at=42  2011

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbYqckFvUJI&feature=player_embedded   2010

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This brings back sooooo much memory and tears to my eyes.
http://www.iranclip.com/player/169

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If this is the case, how much 'indigenous' iranian products are just Russian?

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If this is the case, how much 'indigenous' iranian products are just Russian?

Apples and oranges.

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The S-300 system is indeed very advanced and complex system. Even being able to manufacture such high speed rocket requires a lot of knowledge in ultra sonic rocket technology that Iran has not demonstrated yet.

I doubt Iran can design a rocket from scratch in such a short notice,

I think china is already copied the rocket herself with somewhat acceptable performance.  In the past Iran has based a lot of her rockets like Nour on the China made rockets. I think that would the jump start high scale production within a year or so. With this announcement that the production of domestic S-300 is on its way, I assume skillful Iranian engineer have already designed a complete system and are working to the design the production line for guidance and control system. The manufacturing of the prototype and a showing of the system might be a few months away at best. In modern days of multi national development one can outsource a great part of the production of components and only produce the electronics domestically.

There are a lot of skepticism about Iran's ability to copy S-300. Although Iran might not be able to match or exceed all aspects of S-300 system, the domestic production and development could have its advantages.

For example if West finds a way to defeat the original S-300 system available in many NATO countries, the counter measures might not be applicable to Iranian made S-300 which might shows difference characteristics.

Although the cost of a development can be many times the cost of purchasing it, with large numbers of S-300 needed to deter US attacks in future, it could be cheaper in long run.

Another argument for development of domestic of S-300 is that the upgrade could be done very quickly and increase the life of a system.

I think Iran did start its rocket technology development in the wrong end of the spectrum. The development should have been to produce and copy fast rockets for air defense purposes.

Recent wars in the ME  have shown that if you cannot defend your airspace, your army will be slaughtered in the field.
Since Iran has no ambition to attack other countries building modern airplanes and long range missiles should have been of secondary importance. I do not agree with the notion to show Iran's power in Lebanon to deter an attack on Iran.

This approach is too much provoking. But I was happy to see the Israel arrogant army was defeated for the first time in history in 2006. I still think the right strategy would have been to build or purchase a very strong air defense system first including but not limited to S-300. You can almost never have too much defense power, especially air defense.

Iranians are good chess player and know the person who can come to your space will win the game. If the enemy can penetrate to your space, soon or later will have an asymmetric advantage and that advantage will define the outcome of a war.

Defense is also the best way to stop a war to start.
Anyway, starting with current situation with Israelis active to create a confrontation and get USA involved in a war with Iran, the only working strategy would be to have excellent air defense system as soon as possible.

Russia by not delivering the S-300 to Iran shows clearly how powerful Zionists are even in Russia. Iran cannot rely on any country in the world to support her in a conflict. Iran has paid a very high price once in Iran and Iraq war with almost the whole world at one side and Iran with his brave militia at the other side. Although it war heroic no one wants to see a repetition of that experience again.

Honest engineers  all over the world should join forces to provide Iran with help to modify and design new easy to make efficient defense system to stop such an aggression against a peaceful nation with 5000 years of history.

Irans is one of the last places that put a resistance against a takeover by Zionists. If Iran falls then international Zionist cooperations will take over all of the world's resources and make slaves out of humanity.
 

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I perdicted this, around half a year ago.
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"I perdicted this, around half a year ago. "

Predicted what? Production line, Design or prototype ?

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"I perdicted this, around half a year ago. "

Predicted what? Production line, Design or prototype ?

It was on the thread regarding the S-300 and why it was delayed. I theorized that Iran probably has received the S-300 BUT because of pressure on Russia has not reveiled it due to politics.

"This issue is very interesting;

This is the best possible scenario:

 Iran bought know-how-technology from Russia (so they can produce the system themselves) and all this back and forth is just politics.

Russia denies delievering the AD system, meanwhile Iran is building them at home. Russia keeps face with both the west and Iran.

While the zionist are made happy and their threats start up again, Iran introduces a "home made" AD system. Brings national pride and detters possible attack.


This is one of the scenarios that is possible; time will tell. "


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katty nice article

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Who are we to thank for these lovely gifts?

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Are those actual S-300s?

Congrats. Would like to see more pics from the parade.

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They might be the I-300s Vahidi was talking about.

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Woa, nice... going to check iranian channel right now for more info.

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در روز ارتش اعلام شد:
ساخت سامانه موشکی شبیه S300 توسط ارتش
ارتش جمهوری اسلامی ایران سامانه موشکی دور برد شبیه سامانه موشکی S300 تولید کرده است.
به گزارش خبرنگار مهر، در مراسم روز ارتش جمهوری اسلامی ایران که امروز یکشنبه در تهران در حال برگزاری است ، سامانه موشکی دفاعی دور بردی شبیه سامانه موشکی S300 از مقابل جایگاه رژه توسط خودروی حامل عبور کرد.

بنابر این گزارش به گفته سخنگوی مراسم جزئیات ساخت این سامانه موشکی دور برد که توسط متخصصان داخلی در کشور تولید شده است متعاقبا اعلام خواهد شد.

S300 سامانه موشکی است که روسیه در سال 2005 به ایران فروخته است اما تاکنون از تحویل آن خودداری کرده است

http://www.mehrnews.com/fa/newsdetail.aspx?NewsID=1065840

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It claims that Russia still hasn't delivered the S-300s and this version is made by Iran.

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