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Great pics, since they said they're gonna release more info about it, I'm hoping some guy will get interviewed on Iranian and I see it so I can capture.

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freakin awesome I for one am not dissapointed at all this year you guys see the unmanned stealth bomber freakin cool
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Best march yet.

Better army display and a potential stealth bomber

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Tremendous!

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what in the world!!!!  :o :o my eye balls fell out of my head when i saw this. i dono if this is for real fake or what but truly this proves one thing "az irani haft khat tar nadarim" iran has one crazy poker face man.

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I bet you there will be dozens of zionist strategist in the occupied Palestine who won't be able to sleep tonight at all !!!

To have a S-300 Varient, the Mersad system, UAV's and all of the long range bullestic missiles in one parade right after the unvailing of the IR-3 Centrifuge sends a very distinct message.

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[http://www.iranmilitaryforum.net/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3431.0;attach=4173;image[/url]
people are saying on forushvatandefence.net that this is a mockup and has no hydrolics well what is the black thing protruding on that back below the tubes then?
Last Edit: April 18, 2010, 08:38:28 PM by Lur

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Lur even if it is a mockup, it doesn't prove anything. The Missiles being paraded are also mockups. The I-300s that we have or are building would be protecting our airspace and wouldn't be on parades.

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Lur even if it is a mockup, it doesn't prove anything. The Missiles being paraded are also mockups. The I-300s that we have or are building would be protecting our airspace and wouldn't be on parades.
but the vehicle should not be mockup. should it??

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but the vehicle should not be mockup. should it??

Why not? If Iran was trying to fool the world into believing they have S-300s, they would at least make it look exactly like an S-300. The fact that it is obvious that it is a mockup is proof that they have a similar system in production.

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Indeed from studying images of S-300 and HQ-9 Launcher this Iranian Launcher seems to lack alot of machinary at the rear and underside of the vehicle and to me the launcher just doesnt look beefy enough to be able to carry such weight and be very mobile but thats just my opinion from looking at S-300 launchers. The Tubes do seem real though (or very well made mockups)..But the lack of corresponding Radar TELs does make one wonder (which are equally important)...So overall I think this is a Mockup but indeed there is great value in such mockups. I honestly don't believe Iran has the missile tech just yet to build an S-300 missile (unless the Russians directly aided them) but I believe Iran could be planning on building its own launchers to quicken deployment of the S-300 system. And even if this is just propaganda, its a great example of the kind of propaganda you want. It makes the enemy wonder and while they may doubt its validity, they will still be a bit worried. Just my thoughts..
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Eagle, I didn't know you could acquire so much information and knowledge by just looking at pictures!
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Lol I tend to overstudy things at times..but for example, when you look at the Picture on Page1 comparing the Iran S300, HQ-9 and S-300 you see something subtle but likely very important..Wheel spacing. Look how much closer the two sets of Axles are in Iran's Launcher compared to the Russian Chinese systems. It would indicate to me it has a different center of gravity that is more forward than its counterparts and would seem fairly unsafe to me. I think this launcher could carry such missiles but such a weight distribution to me would make it unstable going cross country. Than again perhaps it isn't meant for that (much like early S-300 launchers which were Semi-Trucks). Also the "Command Box" behind the cabin seems pretty plain without much detail at all (which would also indicate a mockup) but again this could be nothing, these are just my observations and as Ayyash can testify I do tend to over-analyize things sometimes lol...

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Also note how Iran's TEL only seems to have one set of Hydralic stabilizers or jacks at the very rear of the vehicle is very unlike the Russian TEL which has two sets in very different placement, see images below..

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Look at the Iranian and the Chinese S-300, the body is quite similar, don't you think? One more thing remains, the Iranian made is 80% of the actual height of S-300! Which makes me think that they either made it or had some help from the Chinese.

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look at min 1:55 in the video, you can see them. this is the parade of iranian army day 2010 :D

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Where exactly did you get that 80% figure? And do you mean the TEL itself or just the tubes? The tubes are fairly similar to the S-300, they even have the same number of bands but the arrangement on this Iranian TEL is slightly different.

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My God , im truly surprised...

how on earth did they manage to get them?


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My God , im truly surprised...

how on earth did they manage to get them?


In the words of a wiseman : Holy shit !!

i think it is iranian home-made sytem like the chinese HQ9, i dont think russia delivered their s-300

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but they must of had atleast 1 functioning unit to be able to reverse engineer it i think.

There was a story a while back of iran purchasing a few S-300 units from libya and croatia , it was only a rumour at the time.

but its confirmed now , iran does have them.

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but they must of had atleast 1 functioning unit to be able to reverse engineer it i think.

There was a story a while back of iran purchasing a few S-300 units from libya and croatia , it was only a rumour at the time.

but its confirmed now , iran does have them.

possibly, anyways im really glad they have them and im more glad that iran is producing them themselves instead of relying on those russian fagots. russians(like all slavs) cant be trusted, they act like they are iran's friend but they are ANTI-islam. i know this from personal experience

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Indeed from studying images of S-300 and HQ-9 Launcher this Iranian Launcher seems to lack alot of machinary at the rear and underside of the vehicle and to me the launcher just doesnt look beefy enough to be able to carry such weight and be very mobile but thats just my opinion from looking at S-300 launchers. The Tubes do seem real though (or very well made mockups)..But the lack of corresponding Radar TELs does make one wonder (which are equally important)...So overall I think this is a Mockup but indeed there is great value in such mockups. I honestly don't believe Iran has the missile tech just yet to build an S-300 missile (unless the Russians directly aided them) but I believe Iran could be planning on building its own launchers to quicken deployment of the S-300 system. And even if this is just propaganda, its a great example of the kind of propaganda you want. It makes the enemy wonder and while they may doubt its validity, they will still be a bit worried. Just my thoughts..

I do not think Iranian military just put up a fake S-300 for the show. This has been the usual routine, like the claim to be able to enrich to 20% or the second generation of centrifuges.

I think Iran within 6 months in the next major military exercise will show a couple of lunches to make all the skeptics realize how deadly these fake S-300 rockets can be.

Also if this follow history is of Iran's previous announcements, Iran is already mass-producing this S-300 and acknowledges the prototypes maybe a year after the actual success of prototyping it. 

From Israel and US point of view this system is even more dangerous than S-400 since there is no way to know their capabilities. The only way to find out is to lose a few aircrafts in actual battles to find out a way to neutralized them and then Iran can modify them and the story will repeat itself.

Iran is indeed a superpower not because of its military power, but because of creativity of her engineers.

Congratulation to the Iranian team of engineers. Even if 100% of the work is done through reverse engineering, this is a major achievement.

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Iran do make those vehicle same as s-300 vehicle in Iran.
so from my point of view these vehicles are not a mockup, but the tube and the Command Box should be mockup, cause if Iran have them they should be in very limited number, so they better to be in position rather be in paraded.

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