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Re: Iran Military Downs US Spy Drone
« Reply #25 on: December 04, 2011, 07:22:59 PM »
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Catsoo, I understand your point. But I don't think the Iranian army will come out boldly to make these claims just for the sake of it. They've even threatened to retaliate if the US repeats it again..This is different from previous reports.

I believe they wouldn't show the images in public for now as this will embarrass the US army to the point of confrontation.It will be like Iran kicking them while they're down. It's safe to say the US army genuinely doesn't want a confrontation with Iran and so does Iran's army..It's only the stupid Ziocons in congress that keep pushing US into confrontation with Iran.

Frankly speaking, the US army is stretched thin and won't survive a war with Iran unless they call for draft which will be highly unpopular.
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Re: Iran Military Downs US Spy Drone
« Reply #26 on: December 04, 2011, 07:50:13 PM »
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Very unlikely that the thing was brought down in one piece. Also, they tend to have self-destruct mechanisms in case of scenarios such as this.

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Re: Iran Military Downs US Spy Drone
« Reply #27 on: December 04, 2011, 07:50:53 PM »
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Reading the Reuters news, it's clear the drone was brought down..The US/NATO are pissed that their top notch technology has been overcome by what they classify as an "inferior army" - Iran.

They're only referring to a drone that went "missing" last week.Kid you not!!! They're not even bold enough to admit that their drone got owned...What they're doing is called plausible deniability..They admit their drone went down but the reject it was downed by Iran..lol

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Re: Iran Military Downs US Spy Drone
« Reply #28 on: December 04, 2011, 07:51:09 PM »
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The US military has already denied it and said that it was missing a week ago! How arrogant of them...honestly guys, if iran does provide evidence of this it will be a HUGE blow to the multi-trillion dollar US war industry. I am almost on tears.....


TEHRAN (Reuters) - Iranian media reported on Sunday that their country's military had shot down a U.S. reconnaissance drone in eastern Iran, but a U.S. official said there was no indication the aircraft had been shot down.
NATO's U.S.-led mission in neighbouring Afghanistan said the Iranian report could refer to an unarmed U.S. spy drone that went missing there last week.
The incident comes at a time when Tehran is trying to contain foreign outrage at the storming of the British embassy on Tuesday, after London announced sanctions on Iran's central bank in connection with Iran's nuclear enrichment programme.
Iran has announced several times in the past that it shot down U.S., Israeli or British drones, in incidents that did not provoke high-profile responses.
"Iran's military has downed an intruding RQ-170 American drone in eastern Iran," Iran's Arabic-language Al Alam state television network quoted a military source as saying.
"The spy drone, which has been downed with little damage, was seized by the Iranian armed forces," the source said. "The Iranian military's response to the American spy drone's violation of our airspace will not be limited to Iran's borders."
Iranian officials were not available to comment further.
NATO's International Security Assistance Force in Afghanistan said in a statement: "The UAV (unmanned aerial vehicle) to which the Iranians are referring may be a U.S. unarmed reconnaissance aircraft that had been flying a mission over western Afghanistan late last week.
"The operators of the UAV lost control of the aircraft and had been working to determine its status."
A U.S. official, who asked not to be named, said: "There is absolutely no indication up to this point that Iranians shot down this drone."
ISOLATION
Tuesday's storming of the British embassy attracted swift condemnation from around the world, further isolating Iran.
Britain evacuated its diplomatic staff from Tehran and expelled Iranian diplomats from London in retaliation. Several other EU members like Germany, France and Spain also recalled their ambassadors from Tehran.
The United States and Israel have not ruled out military action against Iran's nuclear facilities if diplomacy fails to resolve a dispute over a programme they suspect is aimed at developing atomic weapons. Iran says it would respond to any strike by attacking Israel and U.S. interests in the Gulf.
In January Iran said it shot down two unmanned Western reconnaissance drones in the Gulf. In July Iran said it had shot down an unmanned U.S. spy plane over the holy city of Qom, near its Fordu nuclear site.
Western nations on Thursday significantly tightened sanctions against Iran, with the European Union expanding an Iranian blacklist and the U.S. Senate passing a measure that could severely disrupt Iran's oil income.
Iran warned the West on Sunday any move to block its oil exports would more than double crude prices with devastating consequences on a fragile global economy.
"As soon as such an issue is raised seriously the oil price would soar to above $250 a barrel," Foreign Ministry spokesman Ramin Mehmanparast told the Sharq newspaper.
So far neither Washington nor Brussels has finalised a move against Iran's oil trade or its central bank. Crude prices were pushed up over the British embassy storming with ICE Brent January crude up 95 cents on Friday to settle at $109.94 a barrel.
(Additional reporting by Ramin Mostafavi in Tehran, Caren Bohan and David Alexander in Washington and Missy Ryan in Bonn; Writing by Parisa Hafezi; Editing by Peter Graff)

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http://uk.news.yahoo.com/iran-military-shoots-down-u-drone-state-tv-145517151.html

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Re: Iran Military Downs US Spy Drone
« Reply #29 on: December 04, 2011, 07:53:12 PM »
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Reading the Reuters news, it's clear the drone was brought down..The US/NATO are pissed that their top notch technology has been overcome by what they classify as an "inferior army" - Iran.

They're only referring to a drone that went "missing" last week.Kid you not!!! They're not even bold enough to admit that their drone got owned...What they're doing is called plausible deniability..They admit their drone went down but the reject it was downed by Iran..lol

I totally agree with you ... they are just SOOOOOOOOOOOOO f**** arrogant......just accept the fact that IRAN kicked their backside....

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Re: Iran Military Downs US Spy Drone
« Reply #30 on: December 04, 2011, 07:53:38 PM »
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Also, they tend to have self-destruct mechanisms in case of scenarios such as this.
Really??? Name one US drone that does that..If that's the case, they'll end up with almost no drones as drones tend to lose contact with their base station intermittently, but then they regain control after a while...

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Re: Iran Military Downs US Spy Drone
« Reply #31 on: December 04, 2011, 07:55:04 PM »
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according to lockheed martin, the radar cross section of the drone is less of that of a duck but iranians with their stone age technology (as westerners think) havve managed to shoot it down.,
it's time to nut up or shut up!

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Re: Iran Military Downs US Spy Drone
« Reply #32 on: December 04, 2011, 07:59:59 PM »
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Just read in German news that NATO admitted loosing the drone BUT over afganistan

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« Reply #33 on: December 04, 2011, 08:00:42 PM »
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Re: Iran Military Downs US Spy Drone
« Reply #34 on: December 04, 2011, 08:06:16 PM »
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Just read in German news that NATO admitted loosing the drone BUT over Afghanistan
If it was lost in Afghanistan, how did it end up in Iran??? Could it be that they have no idea how to control their own machines???

These guys are so arrogant they can't even admit their war toy got owned..Their arrogance is what has got them stuck in Afghanistan for the past 10 year..They just can't accept the fact that they've lost the war to some sheep herders in Afghanistan. Pathetic!!!

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Re: Iran Military Downs US Spy Drone
« Reply #35 on: December 04, 2011, 08:15:39 PM »
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It seems this report is similar to downing a Israel UAV by Hezbollah last week

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Re: Iran Military Downs US Spy Drone
« Reply #36 on: December 04, 2011, 08:16:56 PM »
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Picture confirmation would be great!
indeed

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Re: Iran Military Downs US Spy Drone
« Reply #37 on: December 04, 2011, 08:21:33 PM »
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It seems this report is similar to downing a Israel UAV by Hezbollah last week
I was going to say the same..Seem Iranian's got some new sistem elektroniki doing the magic lately... ;) And those demanding pics, I really don't think it's necessary as NATO's already confirmed they've "lost","missing", "went down" a drone. They only release that news after Iran claimed they've shot down their drone. I don't need pictures...
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Re: Iran Military Downs US Spy Drone
« Reply #38 on: December 04, 2011, 08:29:11 PM »
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It seems this report is similar to downing a Israel UAV by Hezbollah last week

I was going to say the same..Seem Iranian's got some new sistem elektroniki doing the magic lately... ;) And those demanding pics, I really don't think it's necessary as NATO's already confirmed they've "lost","missing", "went down" a drone. They only release that news after Iran claimed they've shot down their drone. I don't need pictures...

I have said in the past that iranian fortey, is there ability with software, from a young age when i visited tehran i remember going to computer shops and seeing all sorts of iranian software that has been altered such as windows xp farsi edition, copying of games, iranians seem to have a natural talent for this type of stuff and hacking would be in this category, so im sure electronic jamming with sufficient equipment would be fun for some of the new upcoming iranian software boffs.

This is knowledge that the west can't find out about iran, because its more of a personal we know iranian culture type thing.

Infact iran should employ the youth for this work as they would love it. it would also promote less unemployment.
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Re: Iran Military Downs US Spy Drone
« Reply #39 on: December 04, 2011, 08:33:28 PM »
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Reza18,

Sorry, but your logic does not make any sense to me!


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Re: Iran Military Downs US Spy Drone
« Reply #40 on: December 04, 2011, 08:44:00 PM »
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Sorry, but your logic does not make any sense to me!
Fair enough..It doesn't make sense to me either.. :)

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IRGC shoots down US UAV
« Reply #41 on: December 04, 2011, 09:15:46 PM »
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Re: Iran Military Downs US Spy Drone
« Reply #42 on: December 04, 2011, 09:27:26 PM »
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if the drone was recovered with minimal damage, that means that the drone was hacked into and the control of it was taken over by the iranians and landed or crash landed in iranian land. The take over of the drone could have even been done in Afghan airspace and landed in Iran.
If the drone was shot down by a missile there is no way that it can be recovered with minimal damage.
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Re: Iran Military Downs US Spy Drone
« Reply #43 on: December 04, 2011, 09:43:14 PM »
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Next time they will manage to land the drone at mehrabad Airport.

And Vahidi will wait for it on the roll field to introduce the new Iranian technologie  8)

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Re: Iran Military Downs US Spy Drone
« Reply #44 on: December 04, 2011, 09:47:42 PM »
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Next time they will manage to land the drone at mehrabad Airport.

And Vahidi will wait for it on the roll field to introduce the new Iranian technologie 

Is that an attempt at sarcasm??? Cos I'm not getting it...

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Re: Iran Military Downs US Spy Drone
« Reply #45 on: December 04, 2011, 09:56:35 PM »
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Meanwhile, over at WWW.iran defence dot n3t:
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Was Iran's Downing of RQ-170 Related to the Malware Infection at Creech AFB?

UPDATE (1121 04DEC11): CNN quotes a U.S. official confirming that an operator lost flight control of an RQ-170 Sentinel over Western Afghanistan (which borders Eastern Iran).

The Washington Post has reported that Iran's cyber warfare unit took over the controls of a Lockheed Martin RQ-170 Sentinel stealth drone flying over Eastern Iran and landed it with minimal damage. As of this writing, the U.S. Air Force hasn't yet confirmed or denied the attack. I've left a message with the on-call PA officer at Creech Air Force Base, which is the home of the 432d Wing which flies RQ-170 Sentinels according to this factsheet.

Creech Air Force Base, as you may recall, suffered a malware infection of its Reaper and Predator Ground Control Stations last October. After Noah Shachtman broke the story, the Air Force issued a press release claiming that the malware was a simple "credential stealer" and not a "keylogger", which is a distinction without a difference as I pointed out here. Approximately one and a half months after the Air Force issued that statement, Iran claims to have successfully compromised the flying operations of one of its drones - possibly flown out of the same Air Force base.

Iran's Cyber Warfare Capabilities

Note: The following assessment comes from chapter 16 of the 2nd edition of Inside Cyber Warfare, due out this month:

In 2010 the Iranian Islamic Revolution Guards Corps (IRGC) set up its first official cyber warfare division.Since then, its budget and focus has indicated the intention of growing these cyber warfare capabilities. Education is considered a top priority in the strategy, with increased attention to computer engineering-specific cyber security programs. The IRGC budget on cyber capabilities is estimated to be US$76 million. The IRGC’s cyber warfare capabilities are believed to include the following weapons: compromised counterfeit computer software,wireless data communications jammers, computer viruses and worms, cyber data collection exploitation, computer and network reconnaissance, and embedded Trojan time bombs.

The cyber personnel force is estimated to be 2,400, with an additional 1,200 in reserves or at the militia level. In June 2011 Iran announced that the Khatam al-Anbiya Base, which is tasked with protecting Iranian cyberspace, is now capable to counter any cyber attack from abroad, a claim that will likely be tested soon given the volatile nature of cyberspace. In August 2011 Iran challenged the United States and Israel, stating that they are ready to prove themselves with their cyber warfare capabilities. Should the Iranian cyber army be provoked, Iran would combat these operations with their own “very strong” defensive capabilities.

In my opinion, the U.S. Air Force needs to respond to this claim by the Iranians quickly and authoritatively because its lackluster conduct regarding the initial infection found at Creech makes this claim by Iran more believable, not less.

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Re: Iran Military Downs US Spy Drone
« Reply #46 on: December 04, 2011, 10:00:36 PM »
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Seems NATO are saying the US lost control of the UAV!!!  Who knows, maybe the Iranians were able to jam the UAV and force it to land in Iran!

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Nato's International Security Assistance Force said on Sunday: "The UAV to which the Iranians are referring may be a US unarmed reconnaissance aircraft that had been flying a mission over western Afghanistan late last week. The operators of the UAV lost control of the aircraft and had been working to determine its status."


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/8934451/Drone-shot-down-over-Iran-lost-over-Afghanistan-last-week.html

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Re: Iran Military Downs US Spy Drone
« Reply #47 on: December 04, 2011, 10:06:12 PM »
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The Creech hypothesis is plausible but there's not any firm evidence at this point. There are a good number of viable theories on how this incident could have happened (if it indeed did).
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Re: Iran Military Downs US Spy Drone
« Reply #48 on: December 04, 2011, 10:07:34 PM »
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This just proves my previous post lol

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Re: Iran Military Downs US Spy Drone
« Reply #49 on: December 05, 2011, 01:27:00 AM »
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