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Iran test-fires homemade missiles

Iran has successfully test-fired and inaugurated two new domestically-made air defense systems, named Mersad and Shahin, a senior Iranian general announces.

“The primary samples of the Mersad and Shahin missiles have been delivered to the Khatam al-Anbiya Air Defense Base and are currently being tested and [will be] inaugurated,” base commander General Farzad Esmaili told IRNA on Sunday.

He added that the Mersad missile has been successfully test-fired and submitted to the base by Iran's defense industry.

“Mersad and Shahin missiles have joined the country's air defense system,” the general stated.

He added that Iran's radar system has been optimized and is currently in a “very suitable” condition.

Esmaili had earlier announced that the Mersad air defense system is capable of hitting targets up to 150 kilometers away, adding that the system fired two Shahin missiles that hit their designated targets.

In recent years, Iran has made great achievements in its defense sector and attained self-sufficiency in producing essential military equipment and systems.

In January, Iran successfully test-fired the mid-range, surface-to-air Hawk missile and the Iranian Defense Ministry delivered new cruise missile systems to the Navy.

The systems, designed and manufactured by Iranian experts, are capable of spotting and destroying different targets at sea.

Iran also unveiled its first domestically-manufactured long-range Unmanned Aerial Vehicle (UAV) in 2010.

http://presstv.com/detail/184333.html

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again that missile.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWwHIPoQdw8&list=UUMF4vfECnuAPAfW0s6lMpyg&index=1&feature=plcp

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this is the fixed video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bn-T-5k0_4E&list=UUMF4vfECnuAPAfW0s6lMpyg&index=1

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this is old news

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Why is the Merssad fitted with such big fins? Wouldn't it be good idea to use the same jet vane technology in the Sejil for the Merssad?

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Why is the Merssad fitted with such big fins? Wouldn't it be good idea to use the same jet vane technology in the Sejil for the Merssad?

Jet vanes of Sejjil could be made of some materials that are not found in Iran and are sanctioned. For example tungsten. That could even be the reason Sejjil hasn't gone further than prototype.

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The major issue is cost, as Aspabod points out, the jet vanes are traditionally made of exotic materials which are often extremely expensive and hard to procure. It's the reason the Fateh-110 uses aerodynamic control surfaces - they cost as much as it does to stamp four triangles out of a piece of sheet metal.

When dealing which smaller missiles like the HAWK/Shahin (versus long-range ballistic missiles) the tolerances are going to be less which means less expense, but I'd wager (and it is still just a guess) the relative expense still holds true.

That being said, the AIM-9X has a system like the one you're describing and it does offer significantly better performance then the conventional AIM-9 configuration with aerodynamic surfaces at the front of the missile.

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Iran Test-Fires Air Defense System "Successfully"

TEHRAN (FNA)- Top Iranian air defense commanders announced that the country has "successfully " test-fired a new home-made air defense system, called Mersad.
   
Commander of Khatam-ol-Anbia Air Base Brigadier General Farzad Esmayeeli said that Mersad air defense system and Shahin missiles - fired by Mersad systems - have been successfully test-fired and supplied to the country's air defense unit.

The ground-to-air Shahin missile is able to hit enemy jet fighters and helicopters at supersonic speed. The Mersad system is equipped with sophisticated radar signal processing technology, an advanced launcher, and electronic targeting and guidance systems.

Esmayeeli also said that Iran's radar network has been optimized and is currently in a "very suitable" condition.

In April, 2011, Iran successfully test-fired two mid-range Hawk missiles named 'Shahin' capable of tracing and targeting aggressive aircraft at low and medium altitudes.

The two Shahin missiles were launched from the home-made Mersad air defense system.

The Mersad air defense shield is a completely indigenized system developed by the Iranian experts and technicians to promote the country's combat power. The system was deployed in all Army air-defense units on Sunday to boost the country's air-defense power.

The Mersad system equipped with Shahin missiles is capable of tracing and targeting any enemy aircrafts at 70 to 150km altitude and is considered as a mid-altitude system among the country's missile defense shields.

http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=9003230430

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The reason why UN Security Council did not vote for "no-fly-zone" over Iran is because Iran has strong air defense systems.


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That could even be the reason Sejjil hasn't gone further than prototype.
what is your source?

Asi remember ,during 2010 parade They showed four Sejils with their launchers , Why should they produce four TEL just for a prototype? and IMO the missiles were not mock-ups.

just for propaganda? i dont think so
Last Edit: June 15, 2011, 09:37:39 AM by M-ATF

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Iran Test-Fires Air Defense System "Successfully"

The Mersad system equipped with Shahin missiles is capable of tracing and targeting any enemy aircrafts at 70 to 150km altitude and is considered as a mid-altitude system among the country's missile defense shields.

http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=9003230430


Even if the it the range of the missile is 70 to 150 km not altitiude I think that too far???? ;)

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what is your source?

Asi remember ,during 2010 parade They showed four Sejils with their launchers , Why should they produce four TEL just for a prototype? and IMO the missiles were not mock-ups.

just for propaganda? i dont think so


Calm down please. I said it "could" be. Means that it is just a prediction.
Anyway missiles in the parades are probably prototypes. Not real missiles. And Iran has a long history of military propaganda from Zolfaghar to Saeghe.

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Calm down please. I said it "could" be. Means that it is just a prediction.
Anyway missiles in the parades are probably prototypes. Not real missiles. And Iran has a long history of military propaganda from Zolfaghar to Saeghe.
we have seen three different prototypes of Zulfiqar in parades, but we havent seen four identical zulfiqar .

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so is sajjil prototype and why isnt it mass produced.

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Just as a note fellas, I'm pretty sure that 150km Altitude figure is bogus..No SAM in the world has that kind of reach..since it is in Space! The only ground launched missiles I know of with that kind of altitude is Anti-Ballistic Missiles and for good reason since combat aircraft don't fly anywhere near that high. Even the 70km figure is pretty questionable. Most combat aircraft today can't fly any higher than 20 or so kilometers. Therefore there is no reason to have a SAM with an altitude of 70-150km. It's more likely it's just an error in the report and they mean it has a RANGE of 70-150km.
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Just as a note fellas, I'm pretty sure that 150km Altitude figure is bogus..No SAM in the world has that kind of reach..since it is in Space! The only ground launched missiles I know of with that kind of altitude is Anti-Ballistic Missiles and for good reason since combat aircraft don't fly anywhere near that high. Even the 70km figure is pretty questionable. Most combat aircraft today can't fly any higher than 20 or so kilometers. Therefore there is no reason to have a SAM with an altitude of 70-150km. It's more likely it's just an error in the report and they mean it has a RANGE of 70-150km.
I just realized that the so-called altitude/range of 150 km is the exact same as the reported North-Korean S-300 variant, the KN-06 that was recently tested. But since since this is explicitly in reference to the Mersad system, I'd chalk it up to coincidence. Then again, a 150 km maximum range is far beyond what the HAWK is capable of simply because of the size of the missile.

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I just realized that the so-called altitude/range of 150 km is the exact same as the reported North-Korean S-300 variant, the KN-06 that was recently tested. But since since this is explicitly in reference to the Mersad system, I'd chalk it up to coincidence. Then again, a 150 km maximum range is far beyond what the HAWK is capable of simply because of the size of the missile.
like you ,I was thinking about this similarity of 150 km range of KN-06 and claimed 150 km range/altitude of Mersad in new articles too.

certainly 150km for altitude is wrong.it is possible the journalists have mistakenly assigned it to altitude and it is for range not altitude. perhaps military officials are talking about range of a new missile for Mersad or they are talking about range of Mersad-2.

unfortunately we had many different reports about Mersad-2, new gen. of S-200, and hot-test of a new long range SAM(s-300 like system?). Shalamcheh SAM,test and delivery of Sayyad-2 (which some unofficial unconfirmed reports said it is completly different than Sayyad-1)

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like you ,I was thinking about this similarity of 150 km range of KN-06 and claimed 150 km range/altitude of Mersad in new articles too.

certainly 150km for altitude is wrong.it is possible the journalists have mistakenly assigned it to altitude and it is for range not altitude. perhaps military officials are talking about range of a new missile for Mersad or they are talking about range of Mersad-2.

unfortunately we had many different reports about Mersad-2, new gen. of S-200, and hot-test of a new long range SAM(s-300 like system?). Shalamcheh SAM,test and delivery of Sayyad-2 (which some unofficial unconfirmed reports said it is completly different than Sayyad-1)

Maybe those "mystery missiles" we saw in Bandar Abbas were the latest, extended range Shahin's (paired with the Mersad) without their control-surfaces and fins attached. I'd doubt it at this stage though, decoys are much more likely because the mystery missiles are still pretty small.

Another explanation is that the "150 km" number isn't in reference to the range of the missile, but the range of an a search/early warning radar that is attached to the Mersad system.
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Maybe those "mystery missiles" we saw in Bandar Abbas were the latest, extended range Shahin's (paired with the Mersad) without their control-surfaces and fins attached. I'd doubt it at this stage though, decoys are much more likely because the mystery missiles are still pretty small.
i havent seen those mystery missiles, can you post images of them? thanks

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Another explanation is that the "150 km" number isn't in reference to the range of the missile, but the range of an a search/early warning radar that is attached to the Mersad system.
oh yes, most likely youre right and it is just reference to range of its radars.

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so is sajjil prototype and why isnt it mass produced.
how did you reach to this conclusion?
even global security says it is operational.

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how did you reach to this conclusion?
even global security says it is operational.


Globalsecurity is a terrible and unreliable website lets just say if the world had to rely on global security we would all be dead
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M-ATF,

Pretty sure that's not true. I check the site every once and a while and they still think it is based on Chinese solid fuel missiles and they also claim there is a single-stage "little brother" of the Sejil called the Samen which so far there has been no evidence it exists. They simply acknowledge the Sejil exists, not that it is operational.

Strictly speaking, there is no real evidence the Sejil is in production (no images of several missiles being assembled as we've seen in the Fateh-110 and Qiam-1). This doesn't mean it isn't in production, just that we don't have any direct evidence it is. I personally think that since it is relatively new technology for Iran it is probably in low-rate production but that's just my opinion.

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They simply acknowledge the Sejil exists, not that it is operational.

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That was a very serious demonstration of a new operational strategic system that is a much more serious threat to the region under its range performance.

but yes youre right, Globalsecurity source isnt very credible about  sejil.

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There is no real evidence the Sejil is in production (no images of several missiles being assembled as we've seen in the Fateh-110 and Qiam-1).


you havent seen such images for Shahab-3 too and many other iranian mass produced weapons.

but as i said befor , they showed four sejil missile with its TEL in 2010 Parade. to me they werent mock-ups. if it was just a protoype , why should they build four TEL? one TEL is enough, and consider when they show four Sejil TEL in Parade , certainly they have more Sejjil TEL.

and we have official claim of Iranian officials about start of mass production of Sejil in 2009:

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سردار نجار خبر داد:
آغاز خط توليدانبوه موشک سجيل 2
جام جم آنلاين: وزير دفاع با بيان اينکه پرتاب موفقيت آميز سجيل 2 خط بطلاني بر تحريم گسترده ايران کشيد،خبر داد که خط توليد انبوه اين موشک آغاز به کار کرده است.

به گزارش خبرگزاري مهر، در آستانه سوم خرداد سالروز حماسه فتح خرمشهر و عمليات غرورآفرين بيت‌المقدس يک فروند موشک زمين به زمين سجيل2 با رمز مقدس يافاطمه‌الزهراء با موفقيت کامل پرتاب و به هدف فرضي اصابت کرد.

پس از انجام موفق رزمايش موشکي بيت‌المقدس، سردار سرتيپ مصطفي محمدنجار وزير دفاع و پشتيباني نيروهاي مسلح در جمع خبرنگاران با تلاوت آيه شريفه :" فلماجاء امرنا جعلنا عاليها سافلها و امطرنا عليها حجاره من سجيل منضود "(چون صبح شد، فرمان قهر ما ديار آن قوم نابکار را ويران و زير و زبر ساخت و بر سر آنها مرتب از آسمان سنگ هلاک فروريختيم) اظهار داشت: اين موشک پس از پرتاب، به طور دقيق به هدفي که از قبل تعيين شده بود، اصابت کرد و علاوه بر نمايش سرعت عمل يگانهاي موشکي، دقت بسيار بالاي هدف‌گيري در اين رزمايش به اثبات رسيد.

وزير دفاع در تشريح ويژگيهاي موشک سجيل 2 گفت: اين موشک دو مرحله اي از دو موتور سوخت جامد مرکب تشکيل شده است که نسبت به موشک سجيل داراي سيستم ناوبري جديد بوده از سنسورهاي بسيار پيچيده و دقيقي برخوردار است.

وي افزود: همين ويژگي موجب شده است دقت عمل آن نسبت به نسل قبلي افزايش يابد .

وزير دفاع گفت: با بهينه سازي سکوي پرتاب و سيستم نشانه ‌روي متخصصان ما توانسته اند سرعت عمل اين موشک را نيز به نحو چشمگيري افزايش دهند.

سردار نجار گفت: اين حماسه ماندگار و افتخارآميز ، سند زنده ديگري از مقاومت، رشادت، قدرت ابتکار و خلاقيت رزمندگان ديروز ، حماسه خرمشهر است که امروز در کسوت متخصصان و دانشمندان صنعت دفاعي فتح و ظفر ديگري را براي ملت ايران به ارمغان آوردند. وزير دفاع تصريح کرد: صنايع هوافضاي وزارت با پرتاب موفقيت آميز سجيل 2 خط بطلاني بر تحريم گسترده و پيچيده‌اي که عليه ايران در جريان است ، کشيد و با توکل بر خدا و تکيه بر استعداد و توان و خلاقيت خود يکي از پيچيده‌ترين فناوريهاي موشکي را در موشک سجيل 2 به نمايش گذاشت.

وزير دفاع افزود: بطور کلي قدرت تخريب بسيار بالا، هدف ‌گيري دقيق، کوتاه بودن زمان مورد نياز براي استقرار، سرعت عمل بالا در پرتاب و خروج از محل پرتاب، مدت زمان بالاي نگهداري موشک، از ويژگيهايي است که توان عملياتي و قدرت موشکي نيروهاي مسلح کشورمان را ارتقاء داده است.

وي افزود: خط توليد انبوه اين موشک آغاز شده است و ما قادريم نيازمنديهاي نيروهاي مسلح به اين موشک را به هر ميزان که باشد، تأمين نماييم.

وزير دفاع اظهار داشت: با پرتاب موشک سجيل 2 بنده اين نويد را به ملت بزرگ ايران مي دهم که قدرت موشکي يک قدرت ملي و کاملاً تثبيت شده که قادر است دودمان هر متجاوز بدسيرتي‌ را که چشم طمع به اين آب و خاک داشته باشد، براندازد.

سردار نجار تاکيد کرد: نيروهاي مسلح هوشيارانه و بطور شبانه‌ روزي آماده دفاع از کشور مي‌باشند و اين هوشياري مانع از هر گونه غافلگيري و تعرض از سوي دشمنان شده است.

وزير دفاع گفت: اين موفقيت بزرگ، بسان فتح خرمشهر و عمليات پيروز بيت‌المقدس است ،چرا که در فتح خرمشهر، رزمندگان اسلام ، دشمن  بعثي را  از سرزمين عزيزمان بيرون و قلوب رهبر و ملت را شاد کردند و امروز متخصصان صنايع هوافضاي وزارت دفاع با فتح قله‌هاي فناوري موشکي ايران تحريمهاي گسترده دشمنان را ناکام و قلوب ملت ايران و فرمانده معظم کل قوا را شاد و مسرور کردند.

وزير دفاع خاطرنشان کرد، توان موشکي ايران که امروز در موشک سجيل به منصه ظهور رسيده است، يک قدرت کاملاً بازدارنده و در خدمت صلح، ثبات و آرامش منطقه است و هيچ کشوري  را تهديد نمي کند.

سردار نجار با بيان اينکه قدرت بازدارندگي ايران موجب خواهد شد که جنگهاي ناخواسته از سوي بدخواهان به منطقه تحميل نشود، تصريح کرد، اين قدرت ثبات، آرامش و امنيت پايدار را در منطقه ايجاد مي‌کند.

وزير دفاع با تحليل شرايط منطقه گفت: دشمنان امنيت و آرامش منطقه همواره تلاش کرده‌اند قدرت موشکي و بازدارنده ايران را بعنوان خطري براي کشورهاي همسايه ايران، منطقه و جهان القاء کنند ولي ما اعلام مي کنيم قدرت موشکي ايران، قدرت جهان اسلام براي دفع هر گونه تجاوز مي باشد. زيرا معتقديم امنيت ايران با امنيت جهان اسلام گره خورده است.

سردار نجار توان و قدرت دفاعي ايران را مرهون توکل به خدا، هدايتهاي پيامبر گونه امام خميني(ره) و وصي شايسته‌اش حضرت آيت الله خامنه‌اي (مدظله‌العالي)، خون شهيدان و تلاش بي‌وقفه دانشمندان و متخصصان سازمان هوافضاي وزارت دفاع ذکر کرد و از برگزارکنندگان اين رزمايش موفق موشکي قدرداني کرد.


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How do you know that Sejjil has it's own specific TEL? They seem similar to Ghadr's TEL.

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