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Iran to install new different missiles on S200
« on: August 27, 2011, 10:15:43 AM »
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One of the commanders of Khatam-Al-Anbia airdefence base announced this and said we have created very wide changes on S200 system and in near future will install new domestically built missile on it.

old S200 [radars] were vaccum lamps radars, but now semiconductor technology has been used on them.

Major changes have been done on all sections of s200 system such as processor,receiver,transmitter, electronic warfare, mobility of it.
we want to add new missiles to this system so that can launch different missiles.
new longe range radars will be operational in near future too, so that we can cover 3000 km outside of our borders.
new radar uses the reflection of waves to atmospher so it can cover areas from above and there is no blind point and gap in this method.

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سرهنگ محمدحسين شمخالي:
موشك‌هاي جديدي بر روي S200 نصب خواهيم كرد
معاون تحقيقات و جهاد خودكفايي قرارگاه پدافند هوايي ارتش از نصب موشك‌هاي مختلف از جمله موشك‌هاي جديد ساخت داخل بر روي سامانه S200 در آينده نزديك خبر داد.

به گزارش گروه دفاع و امنیت مشرق به نقل از ایسنا،سرهنگ محمدحسين شمخالي معاون تحقيقات و جهاد خودكفايي قرارگاه پدافند هوايي ارتش، اظهار كرد: تغييرات بسيار گسترده‌اي در سامانه S200 داده‌ايم و حتي در آينده نزديك موشك‌هاي جديد ساخت داخل را بر روي اين سامانه نصب خواهيم كرد.

وي با بيان اين‌كه در تمام بخش‌هاي S200 تغييرات فراواني ايجاد كرده‌ايم، افزود: سيستم S200 به صورت لامپي بود، ولي در حال حاضر از تكنولوژي نيمه‌ هادي در آن استفاده شده و در بخش‌هاي پردازش، فرستنده‌ها و گيرنده‌ها، جنگال ( جنگ الكترونيك)‌ و تحرك‌پذيري آن تغييرات عمده‌اي اعمال شده است و به جرات مي‌توان گفت كه S200 ديگر S200 نيست.

شمخالي اضافه كرد: ما حتي براي موشك S200 نيز برنامه ويژه‌اي داريم كه طي آن موشك‌هاي جديد ساخت داخل را به اين سامانه اضافه خواهيم كرد كه علاوه بر موشك اصلي خود، قابليت پرتاب چند نوع موشك ديگر هم داشته باشد تا اين سامانه برد بلند، به توانمندي مقابله با اهداف برد متوسط نيز مجهز شود.

معاون تحقيقات و جهاد خودكفايي قرارگاه پدافند هوايي ارتش، همچنين از ورود رادارهاي جديد برد بلند به چرخه عمليات در آينده نزديك خبر داد و گفت: انواع رادارهاي جديد برد بلند در آينده نزديك به چرخه عمليات وارد خواهد شد و بدين ترتيب تا 3 هزار كيلومتر خارج از مرزهاي جغرافيايي خود را پوشش خواهيم داد.

وي با اشاره به توان فعلي كشور براي پوشش راداري، گفت: در حال حاضر تا حدود 250 كيلومتر خارج از مرزها را پوشش مي‌دهيم و در نقاط مختلف داخل كشور نيز مشكلي براي پوشش راداري نداريم.

معاون تحقيقات و جهاد خودكفايي قرارگاه پدافند هوايي ارتش در تشريح نحوه عملكرد اين رادارهاي بردبلند جديد اظهار كرد: سامانه راداري جديد از تكنولوژي انعكاس امواج به اتمسفر استفاده مي‌كند و بدين ترتيب رصد مناطق تحت پوشش، از بالا خواهد بود و در نتيجه هيچ گپ و نقطه كوري نخواهد داشت.

http://www.mashreghnews.ir/fa/news/63910/%D9%85%D9%88%D8%B4%D9%83%E2%80%8C%D9%87%D8%A7%D9%8A-%D8%AC%D8%AF%D9%8A%D8%AF%D9%8A-%D8%A8%D8%B1-%D8%B1%D9%88%D9%8A-s200-%D9%86%D8%B5%D8%A8-%D8%AE%D9%88%D8%A7%D9%87%D9%8A%D9%85-%D9%83%D8%B1%D8%AF
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Re: Iran to install new different missiles on S200
« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2011, 10:20:55 AM »
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What are the specifications of the new missile?
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Re: Iran to install new different missiles on S200
« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2011, 11:00:38 AM »
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Quote from: husseinibnali on August 27, 2011, 10:20:55 AM
What are the specifications of the new missile?

No information has published about it, but the article says by this modification , S200 system can launche some different types of missiles so that it can use against targets in medium ranges.

so at least ,one of those new missiles is medium range.
maybe thats the same new missile of Mersad. maybe it is the same Shalamcheh missile.

In spring we had a report about testing Shalamcheh missile and Shahin missile.
and in a recent report one of the Iranian commanders announced missiles of Mersad has been replaced with new ones. there is two possibility about this announcment:

1- Iran has produced a completly new missile with new design, so they call it "New" missile.
2-The new missile uses the same deisgn of Shahin (or Hawk) design but uses new components like seekers and engine, so they call it "New" missile.
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Re: Iran to install new different missiles on S200
« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2011, 05:05:26 PM »
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Images of angular coordination block of original S-200 system and Iranian built version of the same block (Images by LAST-WAR at military.ir from scared defence exhibition of Isfahan) :



 
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Re: Iran to install new different missiles on S200
« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2011, 06:07:58 PM »
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^^^ Interesting pics. They've used a 8051 based micro, and a couple of ordinary DACs, Opamps, Switches. Not exactly cutting edge (Early or mid 80's technology at best) but seems fine. The orignial S-200 board seems scary! looks like my antiquated washing machine control boards!   :D
Do you know what this "launcher angle board" is  exactly supposed to do?
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Re: Iran to install new different missiles on S200
« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2011, 06:42:50 PM »
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^^^ Interesting pics. They've used a 8051 based micro, and a couple of ordinary DACs, Opamps, Switches. Not exactly cutting edge (Early or mid 80's technology at best) but seems fine. The orignial S-200 board seems scary! looks like my antiquated washing machine control boards!   


can you explain more?

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Do you know what this "launcher angle board" is  exactly supposed to do?
no i dont know exactly, maybe it is used for puting launcher along the direction of target.

Q.C. date of parts shows the year 87, I guess it is 1387 .
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Re: Iran to install new different missiles on S200
« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2011, 08:49:46 PM »
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All in all, the configuration shows this unit is not supposed to do any advanced tasks. Seems to be a control board for something. Digital signals produced by that 40-pin micro controller are converted to analog ones by the rest of the circuit, and then are probably applied to the power section, that is, those big parts with heat-sinks, which instead of vacuum tubes are now solid-state (Transistors, hybrid power ICs versus vacuum tubes). To my untrained eyes, they've used a basic micro controller, couple of digital to analog convertors, some LM324 Op Amp ICs, and some 'glue' logic ICs. All of which are old and famous off-the-shelf parts. For example that LM324 dates back to mid 1970s, and that micro controller (an Intel MCS-51 family) and that DACs to early/mid 80s. The boards also seem to be double-layered. Not very modern, but it's what it has been intended to be, a cheap and reliable solution. I think a higher degree integration with more professional look is possible through using other micros also available in Iran and/or through using SMT/Multi-layered boards.
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Re: Iran to install new different missiles on S200
« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2011, 09:20:52 PM »
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I would add that the capacitors are not rated to work at low temperatures. These Aluminum Elkos would not work well in cold weather below 0 degrees. Not really military standards. Mid 80s technology. Now can be much smaller and more efficient. I think they are already doing it.
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Re: Iran to install new different missiles on S200
« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2011, 09:28:47 PM »
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 I dont think that if this "update" was the current standard, it would be put on public display for all to see. I might be wrong though
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Re: Iran to install new different missiles on S200
« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2011, 09:41:43 PM »
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This board is produced in April 1987.

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*hehe* Iam shure some iranians now are sitting in front of their PC and laughing.  Why? It is a hoax against the dump cia. Read this:

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Iranian+Researchers+Introduce+New+Dual-Gate+Transistor.-a0235169433


 :lol:
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Re: Iran to install new different missiles on S200
« Reply #10 on: October 02, 2011, 09:57:34 PM »
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"This board is produced in April 1987."
 
 I highly doubt Iran had the S-200 system back in 1987, As far as I know they only purchased them after 1990. Maybe its 1387 instead of 1987. Or maybe the boards were indeed made in 1987 but were fitted on the S-200s at a later date.
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Re: Iran to install new different missiles on S200
« Reply #11 on: October 03, 2011, 12:06:59 AM »
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Hm, 1387, thats an interesting point. But i cant believe that this board is build in 2008 when Iran also able to build the same circuits in much smaler size with much better homegrowing electronics. And with a closer look i can see that the plastic around the cable is really deceased and looks older than 3 years.

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Re: Iran to install new different missiles on S200
« Reply #12 on: October 03, 2011, 04:07:41 AM »
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On the mother boards we can see "Launcher Angle Board". So this is software for the launcher and not related to the missile guidence system. 
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Re: Iran to install new different missiles on S200
« Reply #13 on: October 03, 2011, 07:04:14 AM »
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"Launcher".....i cant imagine what this should do. Ok, i dont have any glue (almost *hehe*), but for me this electronics are also good for to gate some holidaylights and beams in a disco... 
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