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Mesbah-1 air defense mass-produced
« on: May 04, 2010, 11:21:11 AM »
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Re: Mesbah-1 air defense mass-produced
« Reply #1 on: May 04, 2010, 02:06:04 PM »
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TEHRAN (FNA)- Iranian Defense Minister Brigadier General Ahmad Vahidi announced on Sunday that his ministry has produced a powerful anti-missile system to destroy incoming cruise missiles.

"Experts at the defense ministry have succeeded in building a short-range air-defense artillery system that is able to fire 4,000 shots per minute," Vahidi said in an interview with FNA.

"The system has been produced to confront military threats flying at low altitudes such as cruise missiles," the minister went on saying.

Vahidi stressed that the system will be officially start operation in the near future.

He also pointed out that the ministry is working on different short-range, mid-range and long-range air-defense systems.

Earlier in September 2009, a senior Iranian commander announced that the country's experts managed to build hi-tech missile defense systems capable of tracing and intercepting Cruise Missiles.

"Today, we can not only trace, but also destroy radar-evading Cruise Missiles," Commander of Khatam ol-Anbia Air Defense Base Brigadier General Ahmad Miqani said.

Miqani also described continued optimization of the existing systems, good interaction with universities and industries, building dozens of home-made flaks capable of competing with the world's modern systems and building anti-aircraft missiles and military and civil defenses as among the most important activities of the base.

http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=8902121252

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Re: Mesbah-1 air defense mass-produced
« Reply #2 on: May 04, 2010, 02:06:55 PM »
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Re: Mesbah-1 air defense mass-produced
« Reply #3 on: May 04, 2010, 02:08:57 PM »
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So it seems like the 4,000 RPM anti-cruise missile system wasn't a Gatling gun, although they did specifically say they were building one, however they didn't say this 4,000 RPM system would be it.  

It looks like the Mersad system is a radar and fire control system that integrates the Shahin, the Mersab1, the Samavat and the 100mm proximity fuse AAA.

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Re: Mesbah-1 air defense mass-produced
« Reply #4 on: May 04, 2010, 02:25:46 PM »
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They are concentrating on low altitude air defence systems rather than high altitude systems and this is not good at all.Even if the iranian paraded s-300 become operational its not enough to confront stealth b-2 and f-22 which will become widely used by americas airforce in any attack on iran.
They need to concentrate on confronting stealth fighters and bombers at high altitudes as they will be the next generation airforce weapons worldwide especialy America.

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Re: Mesbah-1 air defense mass-produced
« Reply #5 on: May 04, 2010, 02:30:51 PM »
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They are concentrating on low altitude air defence systems rather than high altitude systems and this is not good at all.Even if the iranian paraded s-300 become operational its not enough to confront stealth b-2 and f-22 which will become widely used by americas airforce in any attack on iran.
They need to concentrate on confronting stealth fighters and bombers at high altitudes as they will be the next generation airforce weapons worldwide especialy America.

I think you said the exact same thing on the other thread and i said:

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The B-2 and the F-22 are not going to participate in Kamikaze attacks, they're going to use PGMs and cruise missiles and that is what these systems are designed to take out.

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Re: Mesbah-1 air defense mass-produced
« Reply #6 on: May 04, 2010, 02:36:23 PM »
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So it seems like the 4,000 RPM anti-cruise missile system wasn't a Gatling gun, although they did specifically say they were building one, however they didn't say this 4,000 RPM system would be it. 
they said that they going to show a Gatling gun, this is totally a different system, and this one showed before, and now the announced that they doing the mass production. nothing new.

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Re: Mesbah-1 air defense mass-produced
« Reply #7 on: May 04, 2010, 02:37:15 PM »
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I'm not entirely sure this is the 4,000 rpm one. I mean, it's not like Iranian officials / newspapers have never provided false information before, but this system would have an 8,000 rpm (4x Zu-23-2's, @ 2000 rpm)
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Re: Mesbah-1 air defense mass-produced
« Reply #8 on: May 04, 2010, 02:39:29 PM »
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they said that they going to show a Gatling gun, this is totally a different system, and this one showed before, and now the announced that they doing the mass production. nothing new.

That makes sense. This is showing the production line. So then we're still waiting for a Gatling gun.

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Re: Mesbah-1 air defense mass-produced
« Reply #9 on: May 04, 2010, 02:41:43 PM »
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They are concentrating on low altitude air defence systems rather than high altitude systems and this is not good at all.Even if the iranian paraded s-300 become operational its not enough to confront stealth b-2 and f-22 which will become widely used by americas airforce in any attack on iran.
They need to concentrate on confronting stealth fighters and bombers at high altitudes as they will be the next generation airforce weapons worldwide especialy America.
its not like all fighter can maintance there high altitude from the start tell the targeting.
as my information fighter when the want to go toward the target, they should be at very low altitude to avoid radars.
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the should fly at middle altitude then go low after hitting the target they need to go to the high altitude by passing the middle altitude.

but for B-2 bomber is totally different story.

as they mentioned before.
the air ride treat is divide as below:
50% in middle, 30% in, 20% in high altitude

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Re: Mesbah-1 air defense mass-produced
« Reply #10 on: May 04, 2010, 02:42:53 PM »
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That makes sense. This is showing the production line. So then we're still waiting for a Gatling gun.
indeed, the video when he said that they going to show Gatling gun is still in forum, I uploaded by my self

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Re: Mesbah-1 air defense mass-produced
« Reply #11 on: May 04, 2010, 02:46:02 PM »
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Brother shirazi in any army in the world they think how to take out the fighter or bomber but in Iran they think how to take out the projectile.Taking projectiles is good but whats much more important is taking out the source because each fighter or bomber can throw tens of bombs.Maybe the airdefence in Iran can take several projectiles but taking even half of it is impossible because they are  much much harder to destroy.
Seriously Shirazi if the way you are thinking of is the same as the Airdefence commanders thinking i prefer invest the money they are using in making such systems on ballistic missiles or buying advaced fighters for dogfighting.

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Re: Mesbah-1 air defense mass-produced
« Reply #12 on: May 04, 2010, 02:49:26 PM »
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Brother shirazi in any army in the world they think how to take out the fighter or bomber but in Iran they think how to take out the projectile.Taking projectiles is good but whats much more important is taking out the source because each fighter or bomber can throw tens of bombs.Maybe the airdefence in Iran can take several projectiles but taking even half of it is impossible because they are  much much harder to destroy.
Seriously Shirazi if the way you are thinking of is the same as the Airdefence commanders thinking i prefer invest the money they are using in making such systems on ballistic missiles or buying advaced fighters for dogfighting.

Whatever you say armchair general, before you bless us with your wise words again i suggest you google "CIWS".

 By the way this is the guy who said Iran's generals are not professional because they don't want to attack mainland USA and Europe.

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Re: Mesbah-1 air defense mass-produced
« Reply #13 on: May 04, 2010, 02:54:39 PM »
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Okay shirazi as you want just if the defence minister unveiled a descent system wake me up :sleep:

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Re: Mesbah-1 air defense mass-produced
« Reply #14 on: May 04, 2010, 04:57:50 PM »
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Good, fully controlled by radar. Would have been even better if coming from a single turret.

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Re: Mesbah-1 air defense mass-produced
« Reply #15 on: May 04, 2010, 05:15:52 PM »
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not bad we saw this in the mersad exibit before i still think we will see a gatling gun since they did talk about it
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Re: Mesbah-1 air defense mass-produced
« Reply #16 on: May 04, 2010, 06:51:58 PM »
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Re: Mesbah-1 air defense mass-produced
« Reply #17 on: May 04, 2010, 07:30:54 PM »
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Nice vid Thanks Shirazi thats alot of bullets flying at once good short range air cover in my opinion

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Re: Mesbah-1 air defense mass-produced
« Reply #18 on: May 04, 2010, 07:33:11 PM »
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indeed, the video when he said that they going to show Gatling gun is still in forum, I uploaded by my self

I really hope so, because this is a knock-off of a zu-23

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Re: Mesbah-1 air defense mass-produced
« Reply #19 on: May 04, 2010, 07:35:03 PM »
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I really hope so, because this is a knock-off of a zu-23

So what? The Zu-23 is manned, this is automated. It appears to be very cheap so you can build them in numbers and they get lead loads of led into the air.

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Re: Mesbah-1 air defense mass-produced
« Reply #20 on: May 04, 2010, 07:37:14 PM »
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i think this is a good system and it has a large area it sprays with bullets making anything hard to manuver away from once caught in that bullet fire i doubt it will stay in the air long

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Re: Mesbah-1 air defense mass-produced
« Reply #21 on: May 04, 2010, 07:39:52 PM »
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So what? The Zu-23 is manned, this is automated. It appears to be very cheap so you can build them in numbers and they get lead loads of led into the air.

its not bad and a great improvement, but its not a gatlingun that is what I had drawn from the responses.
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Re: Mesbah-1 air defense mass-produced
« Reply #22 on: May 04, 2010, 07:44:38 PM »
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its not bad and a great improvement, but its not a gatlingun that is what I had drawn from the responses.

Well he did specify a Gatling gun being produced and he didn't say it would have 4,000 RPMs and didn't really specify, so it could very well be in the productions.

But i don't think the Gatling gun would be used in the same places as this. This is a cheap CIWS designed to protect the hundreds and maybe even thousands of installations that could be attacked in a war.

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Re: Mesbah-1 air defense mass-produced
« Reply #23 on: May 04, 2010, 07:56:21 PM »
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Well he did specify a Gatling gun being produced and he didn't say it would have 4,000 RPMs and didn't really specify, so it could very well be in the productions.

But i don't think the Gatling gun would be used in the same places as this. This is a cheap CIWS designed to protect the hundreds and maybe even thousands of installations that could be attacked in a war.

it is indeed a cheap CIWS and especially that it is easily automated and can give to be basije. The Iranian defense industry will surprise us more often and wonder where they suddenly come along again

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Re: Mesbah-1 air defense mass-produced
« Reply #24 on: May 04, 2010, 08:00:39 PM »
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Lets hope it's the Ir-300 lol.

 

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