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New Anti-missile gun, 4000 bullets/minute
« on: May 02, 2010, 08:16:31 AM »
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وزير دفاع در گفتگو با فارس خبر داد:
توليد سامانه جديد ضد كروز با قدرت شليك 4 هزار گلوله در دقيقه


خبرگزاري فارس: سردار وحيدي گفت: يك سامانه جديد ضد كروز با قدرت شليك 4 هزار گلوله در دقيقه در وزارت دفاع ساخته شد.

سردار احمد وحيدي وزير دفاع و پشتيباني نيروهاي مسلح در گفتگو با خبرنگار دفاعي خبرگزاري فارس با اشاره به تلاش‌هاي اين وزارتخانه براي توليد سامانه‌هاي مدرن پدافند هوايي گفت: در بخش‌هاي مختلفي چون توليد سيستم‌هاي پدافند برد كوتاه، متوسط و بلند در حال طراحي و ساخت هستيم.
وي ساخت سامانه مرصاد با موشك شاهين را از جمله اين ادوات نام برد كه اخيرا توسط متخصصان دفاعي كشورمان توليد شده است.
سردار وحيدي همچنين اعلام كرد كه متخصصان وزارت دفاع موفق شده‌اند يك سامانه پدافندي برد كوتاه توپخانه‌اي كه توان شليك 4 هزار گلوله در دقيقه را دارد، بسازند كه براي مقابله با تهديدات در ارتفاعات پائين همچون موشك‌هاي كروز به كار مي‌رود.
وزير دفاع اضافه كرد: اين سامانه‌ در آينده نزديك رسما افتتاح خواهد شد.
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http://www.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=8902120582
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Re: New Anti-missile gun, 4000 bullets/minute
« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2010, 10:31:37 AM »
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That is 66 rounds a second! If this system is setup with other systems, it can completely defend Iranian territory against cruise missile strikes!
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Re: New Anti-missile gun, 4000 bullets/minute
« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2010, 11:46:16 AM »
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Re: New Anti-missile gun, 4000 bullets/minute
« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2010, 02:46:40 PM »
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Iran develops short-range missiles

By REUTERS
Posted Sunday, May 2 2010 at 17:25

TEHRAN, Sunday

Iran, whose nuclear dispute with the West has raised the possibility of new regional conflict, has developed a short-range defence system to combat Cruise missiles.

“A new short range anti-Cruise defence system with the capability to fire 4,000 rounds of bullets per minute has been produced at the defence ministry and soon will be inaugurated,” Ahmad Vahidi said on semi-official Fars news agency.

Defence systems

“We are at the design and production phase of various defence systems in the short, medium and long-range categories,” he added.

Cruise missiles are guided missiles that operate at low level to evade radar detection. They can fly up to supersonic speeds carrying either conventional or nuclear warheads.

The US administration said last month that Iran and North Korea were excluded from new limits on the use of US atomic weapons – something Tehran interpreted as a threat from a long-standing adversary to attack it with nuclear bombs.

http://www.nation.co.ke/News/world/Iran%20develops%20short%20range%20missiles/-/1068/910662/-/ww58ww/-/

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Re: New Anti-missile gun, 4000 bullets/minute
« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2010, 04:22:29 PM »
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This refers to the co-mounted 4 Zu-23s already shown right?

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Re: New Anti-missile gun, 4000 bullets/minute
« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2010, 04:24:35 PM »
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No, it is a gatling gun.

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Re: New Anti-missile gun, 4000 bullets/minute
« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2010, 05:58:30 PM »
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That is 66 rounds a second! If this system is setup with other systems, it can completely defend Iranian territory against cruise missile strikes!

Thats true, i hope we can see a pic off the new gatlingun

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Re: New Anti-missile gun, 4000 bullets/minute
« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2010, 06:11:08 PM »
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 i think its a copy of chinese gatling gun air-defence system i forgot its name but i remember i saw a picture of it before a while ago now im looking for the pic but its hard for me to find it.The system i saw was on a truck and has some kind of search radar.Anybody can find it please post it to the thread.

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Re: New Anti-missile gun, 4000 bullets/minute
« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2010, 06:24:36 PM »
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i think its a copy of chinese gatling gun air-defence system i forgot its name but i remember i saw a picture of it before a while ago now im looking for the pic but its hard for me to find it.The system i saw was on a truck and has some kind of search radar.Anybody can find it please post it to the thread.


You're talking about the LD-2000 and i doubt it will look anything like that.



For one thing, it won't be mobile as it will be used to protect fixed installations and it also won't have the anti helicopter missiles because there will be no need.

I think it will be something like the M61 Vulcan which is used on the F-14s. It forms the basis of the Phalanx CIWS and we saw a Phalanx look a like on the Mowj model years ago.
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Re: New Anti-missile gun, 4000 bullets/minute
« Reply #9 on: May 02, 2010, 06:59:35 PM »
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just a guess. under the picture it says "This M167 fired on enemy aircraft during the Persian Gulf War"

so im guessing iran managed to get hold of one and has reveresed engineered it

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Re: New Anti-missile gun, 4000 bullets/minute
« Reply #10 on: May 02, 2010, 08:25:52 PM »
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Well the M167 uses the M61 Vulcan, which Iran has on their F-14s.

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Re: New Anti-missile gun, 4000 bullets/minute
« Reply #11 on: May 02, 2010, 09:11:33 PM »
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How much more useful would a gattling gun be against cruise missiles and PGMs than the 35mm Oerlikon?

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Re: New Anti-missile gun, 4000 bullets/minute
« Reply #12 on: May 02, 2010, 09:35:48 PM »
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For comparison, the AK-630 has an ROF of 5,000 rounds-per-minute and the M61, which as Shirazi mentioned is in the F-14's, has an ROF of 6,000 rounds-per-minute.
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Re: New Anti-missile gun, 4000 bullets/minute
« Reply #13 on: May 02, 2010, 10:44:49 PM »
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Does it specifically say it's a Gatling gun or is that speculation?

The 6,000 ROF figure is clearly cyclic not actual (as are the Vulcan stats quoted in the thread).

Zu-23-8 has a cyclic ROF of 8,000 rds per min, and practical of about 800 rds min (ie empty 8 x 100 rd mags in 6 secs) which is pretty good. If the mags are say 50 rds (they are smaller than regular Zu-23) then that's just 3 seconds of flat-out firing. either way the barrels will heat up crazy. Try 8,000 rds without pause and the barrels will start over-flexing or something.
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Re: New Anti-missile gun, 4000 bullets/minute
« Reply #14 on: May 02, 2010, 11:23:56 PM »
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Well, earlier (around Army day) they announced an anti-missile Gatling gun, so i think we're presuming that it's the same gun.

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Re: New Anti-missile gun, 4000 bullets/minute
« Reply #15 on: May 02, 2010, 11:31:56 PM »
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An Iranian version of the M61 would seem the most likely by far since I believe it is the only gatling gun in Iranian service for them to study (other than the MiniGun of course)..Though the Su-24 do use one it fires at a much higher rate they the weapon they are discussing..Whatever it is, it will only be a true Anti-Cruise missile type weapon if it's an automated and fully intregated system (both of which are within Iran's abilities I believe)..Lets hope for a pic soon!
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Re: New Anti-missile gun, 4000 bullets/minute
« Reply #16 on: May 03, 2010, 12:00:54 AM »
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After some research into various gatling guns around the world I think there are 2 likely designs we can expect..

Firstly, the 4,000RPM is a clue but not a true indicator because the design that I found that matches that perfectly is the M134 MiniGun but the MiniGun wouldnt make a very good defense against cruise missiles. The second option is the M61 Vulcan, but it has a 6000RPMs...However that apparently depends on what platform it is on. For example, the Phalanx has a RPM of 3500-4500 (selectable) and the Self-Propelled M163 has a RPM of 3000 so clearly it depends on the platform (available power, stabilization etc.)...

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Re: New Anti-missile gun, 4000 bullets/minute
« Reply #17 on: May 03, 2010, 12:41:31 AM »
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Re: New Anti-missile gun, 4000 bullets/minute
« Reply #18 on: May 03, 2010, 07:11:57 AM »
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How much more useful would a gattling gun be against cruise missiles and PGMs than the 35mm Oerlikon?

Can anyone answer this question?

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Re: New Anti-missile gun, 4000 bullets/minute
« Reply #19 on: May 03, 2010, 07:29:54 AM »
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Well for one thing the Twin 35 is a much slower system, only firing 550 rounds per minute compared to say the 3500-4500 of the Phalanx. Which means for every bullet the Twin 35mm fires, at least 5 can fired from the Phalanx which means more projectiles hitting the target which increases the likelihood of the missile being compromised/destroyed. Also a gun system like the M167 or Phalanx would actually be more compact than the Oerlikon making it easier to transport. The only real advantage the Oerlikon has over a Phalanx-like system is the range but actually thats much closer than you might think. The Oerlikon has a range of 4km while the Phalanx has a range of 3.6km so the difference is pretty minimal. Ultimately, the Gatling gun has the advantage in rate of fire, compactness, and has good range as well. If the Twin 35mm were to be fully automated, and intregrated into a proper Fire Control system it would be a fairly good weapon against a Cruise missile but a Gatling gun would have a much higher success rate thanks to the much greater amount of Lead being fired at the target.

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Re: New Anti-missile gun, 4000 bullets/minute
« Reply #20 on: May 03, 2010, 09:52:08 AM »
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The 35mm would have more kinetic energy than a 20mm so the hits would do more damage, but i guess not so much more to compensate for the lower rate of fire,although its rate of fire is not as high as you say it is, it is only 2,000 with only a maximum burst size of 1,000. I think a 30mm gattling gun would be better than the phalanx.

Could you add an AHEAD system to gattling guns or would the heat generation make it impossible?
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Re: New Anti-missile gun, 4000 bullets/minute
« Reply #21 on: May 03, 2010, 03:38:29 PM »
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 TEHRAN -- The Iranian Defense Ministry has manufactured an anti-missile system capable of destroying cruise missiles and other objects flying at low altitude, Defense Minister Ahmad Vahidi said on Sunday.

“Experts at the Defense Ministry have succeeded in manufacturing a short-range air defense artillery system that can fire 4,000 rounds per minute,” Vahidi told the Fars News Agency.

The system will officially become operational in the near future, he said.

He also stated that the Defense Ministry is working on the design and manufacture of an array of short-range, medium-range, and long-range air defense systems.

Vahidi also told reporters that Iran has designed airplanes that can carry up to 150 passengers.

He added that the Defense Ministry is making great progress in designing and manufacturing unmanned aircraft which fly at high altitude, have visual capability, and are equipped with various sensors

http://www.tehrantimes.com/index_View.asp?code=218717

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Re: New Anti-missile gun, 4000 bullets/minute
« Reply #22 on: May 03, 2010, 05:29:32 PM »
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Thats only because the Phalanx cant carry 3000-4000 rounds, they carry 1550 rounds in the early variants but nevertheless the M61 is a more compact system which means they can mounted to many different kinds of vehicles (like the M113) and not need a Tank chasis to support it like the German Gepard. There are two Oerlikon 35mm based CIWS in development right now but one is a revolver type system known as the Millennium Gun and the other is a South African twin 35 system but its a complete redesign of the whole gun itself and does use the AHEAD. Could the AHEAD be applied to a M61 based system? Sure, but so far the smallest AHEAD round I have found researching it was a 30mm round so at the moment its still restricted to larger rounds.

Also, while a 30mm gatling gun would be better but its highly unlikely to appear in Iran simply because Iran has no design to study from in their inventory and while its possible to make one from scratch that would take much longer and be much costlier when they have an abundant supply of M61's practically laying around.
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Re: New Anti-missile gun, 4000 bullets/minute
« Reply #23 on: May 03, 2010, 05:35:03 PM »
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There's already a thread talking about this in the Air Defense section for two days now..

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Re: New Anti-missile gun, 4000 bullets/minute
« Reply #24 on: May 03, 2010, 05:37:14 PM »
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Firstly, the amount of ammo it can carry has no effect on its rate of fire, it could fire 1 bullet at the rate of 10,000 per minute for example, Secondly if it's aim is to protect fixed sites then mobility is not really an issue is it?

Finally, it is really not difficult to obtain 30mm gattling guns either from China, Russia or CIS nations, China would probably sell the production line if asked.

 

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