Iran Military Forum

Iran should support the Chechen's and arm them so it be a lesson for the Russians...

That would be completely hypocrisy and wouldn't allow Iran to protest against the U.S' backing of Saddam in the iran-iraq war.

 yes and if a contract is cancelled money is returned,

Iran needs a AA defense system for high altitude, the planes the U.S. and Zionists are prepared to counter the threat of Russian S-300, the only people who would seriously embarrass the attackers would be the S-400, but Russia is the store for them and to compensate for some friendly countries, but Iran and the rest of the world that is normally sold already surpassed technologically or existing measures against them. the S-300 missiles to be a magnificent AA, are not 100% sure, like the Patriot AA, defects and early versions are not very effective.
Iran should be concerned especially cruise missiles, B-52 and B-1B bombers. Regarding the B-2 are too expensive to put them in danger in a situation that is known to be very intense flak, so I do not think to intervene significantly.
But first of these, took action electronic Gerra measures after the defense attacked Iranian F-15s and F-16 United States and Jews, this is where you play the winning or losing the propaganda battle and the military Iranian military had done so in the first waves of attacks that provides a significant number of F-15 and F-16, could become a disaster an attack on Iranian facilities, and hence the withdrawal of the plan of attack U.S.

It is essential to have everything needed to cause maximum casualties in the early stages of the attack, the absence of technology to compete in the only solution for the Iranian Defense is a saturation of AA defense, the use of low-frequency radar different decoys and radar installations and air entry into the permanent form of Iranian fighters fly over the airspace, especially for such a role perhaps better would be the F-14.

Regards to all, and strength to Iran from Spain of a Spanish.

There is no s-300 in Iran and there will never be and the IR-300 everyone talking about is the hq-9.
I would like to be surprised but guys i dont see any system except the IR-300.

The Russians have never been reliable period

This should be a wake-up call for the people in government who thought they could use Russia as a leverage against the west.

The truth is that the Russians have been toying with Iran to get the concessions they want from the west.  In fact Russians neither like Iranians nor Muslims.  Most Russians would prefer going to Las Vegas and drink vodka with American entertainers and models than consort with Ayatollah's in Tehran.  Believe you this because I have come across many Russians in Texas.

The Russians are just looking for the interests of Russia.  Iran is not a "brother state" to them.  The best way to deal with Russians is just to steal and copy their technology through espionage and foment ties with the Central Asian Republic rebels.

Not saying all your words are untrue about this subject of relations between Iran and Russia, but i disagree with you on experiences with Russians. Your hyperbole about their behaviour and "goals" are very one-sided. Ive met plenty of Russians that have been drunk and typical Russian in behaviour, but they have more things in common with Iranians than you think. Both have been subjects of western cold/warm war and both have suffered greatly and these things should be used to better the relations between Iranians and Russians. Unfortunately, Russian leaders make that harder now with the support of divest of Iran and so on. But its by no way "over" between relations of the two nations.

The fact that Iran is working on its own Version of S-300 (let's call it IS-300) is as evident as daylight.

I have some information as to where the technology/assistance is coming from but as for discussing the
Iran/Russia relations, as Maiser said, there will be relations between the two countries in various forms for years to come. But Iran must have received the message clearly that depending on others for defence technologies is only building in the sand and nothing else.

With the information available, I am confident Iran has already moved away from procurement from abroad and is expanding the domestic facilities substantially towards home grown defence technologies. Just wait and watch the news in the next twelve months. You will be surprised.

Catsoo

inshallah your right catsoo. i just hope nothing in the way of a war or any type of attack takes place in the mean time.

The fact that Iran is working on its own Version of S-300 (let's call it IS-300) is as evident as daylight.

I have some information as to where the technology/assistance is coming from but as for discussing the
Iran/Russia relations, as Maiser said, there will be relations between the two countries in various forms for years to come. But Iran must have received the message clearly that depending on others for defence technologies is only building in the sand and nothing else.

With the information available, I am confident Iran has already moved away from procurement from abroad and is expanding the domestic facilities substantially towards home grown defence technologies. Just wait and watch the news in the next twelve months. You will be surprised.

Catsoo

So Catsoo do you know something we dont know?
Tell us please because we are desperate for good news in this field.

Katty,

 My purpose was to point out that the IR-300 looks much more like the S-300 than the HQ-9. I did say that Iran likely doesnt have the tech currently to build such a class of solid fuelled missile yet simply because we havent seen such yet and considering how long it took the Chinese I simply find it unlikely as of yet but I of course could be wrong (I often am!). But I agree Iran has the capability to do so but I am always very skeptical by nature I mean no offense to Iran's scientific achievements and I reserve final judgement to when we see it finally tested that is all, and I am sorry if I came off as condescending, it was not my intent.

Regarding the copying HQ-9, it is matter of months. Iran might not be even need to go for a small scale version. Iran is not bond by any IP rights as long as the other countries do not sell the stuff Iran needs to her! Setting up molds and production lines will take 6-8 months.

Iran can produce the rockets in large scales within a year. The electronics in the rockets could be copied from the hawks and also from available infrared and/or picture processing technologies available in Iran.

The main problem is the electronics for radar and make them light and mobile. This problem is not unique to IR-300 and probably Iran has worked for years on this problem.

It is a blessing that Russia is so stupid to cancel the contract! Iran has purchased the S-300 from other countries and has probably opened them up in 2007 when the S-300 from Russia were delayed.

Anybody at these stage assuming that Iran does not have an indigenous IS-300 or IS-400 is running a high risk to pay heavily for his assumption. 

So Catsoo do you know something we dont know?
Tell us please because we are desperate for good news in this field.

Personally i think we have the S-300 system and are going to present it as home made, at the right time and for the right political gains/reasons. It has been my hunch for awhile.

Russia is going to get concessions from the west for not giving us the S-300 ''canceling it" and voting on the sanctions, while they have all ready sold the technology to Iran 7 years ago.

Just what i think.

Also, i think they should be unveiling some modern fighter jets and drones soon. Lets wait and see.

Personally i think we have the S-300 system and are going to present it as home made, at the right time and for the right political gains/reasons. It has been my hunch for awhile.

Russia is going to get concessions from the west for not giving us the S-300 ''canceling it" and voting on the sanctions, while they have all ready sold the technology to Iran 7 years ago.

Just what i think.

Also, i think they should be unveiling some modern fighter jets and drones soon. Lets wait and see.

This is also a possibility. And it has happened before, with Russia and others.

You overwhelmed me Catsoo!

MP: Delay in Delivery of S-300 Missiles to Iran Impairs Russia's Face

 TEHRAN (FNA)- Any delay in the delivery of the sophisticated S-300 air defense missile system to Tehran will impair Russia's face and will make it difficult for Moscow to find new trade partners in the world, an Iranian legislator warned.
   
Head of Iran-Russia Parliamentary Friendship Committee Mehdi Sanae'i elaborated on the agreement between the two countries, signed in 2005, arguing that Russia's delay in the delivery of the S-300 air-defense missiles to Tehran is resulted from outside pressure.

"The delivery of S-300 missile defense system to Iran is part of Moscow's definite obligation and no excuse to dodge the responsibility is acceptable," Sanae'i told MNA.

"Moscow's failure to deliver the air-defense missile system to Tehran would not only hinder cooperation between the two states, but also damage the country's status in finding new partners in the region," Sanae'i maintained.

His remarks came on the same day Iran's defense minister called on Russia to abide by an agreement signed between the two countries on the delivery of the sophisticated S-300 air defense missile system to Tehran.

Vahidi's remarks came in reaction to the comments of Russian Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs, Andrei Denisov, who announced last week that Russia had decided to freeze the delivery of the missiles to Iran, as it was against the new round of UN sanctions on Tehran approved on June 9.

"Moscow believes that the sanctions resolution clearly forbids the sale of the S-300 system to Iran," Denisov said.

Vahidi also pointed out that the recently approved sanctions against Iran by the UN Security Council do not at all ban the delivery of S-300 air defense system to Iran.

The UN resolution does not specifically prohibit Russia from supplying the S-300, but Moscow has announced it was blocking the delivery of five batteries of S-300 sold to Tehran in 2007.

The Russians cited the fourth round of economic sanctions imposed on Iran by UNSC on June 9 for their decision.

Tehran has been seeking to purchase the sophisticated defense system to improve its power of deterrence in reaction to Israeli war rhetoric against Iran's nuclear facilities.

Moscow signed a contract with Tehran in 2007 to supply the powerful S-300 missiles to Iran.

The S-300 surface-to-air system, known as the SA-20 in the West, can track targets and fire at aircraft 120 kilometers (75 miles) away. It also features high jamming immunity and is capable of simultaneously engaging up to 100 targets.

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wasti, don't write using uppercase text.

I HAVE ONLY ONE QUESTION TO ALL READERS OF THIS FORUM.

WHY IRAN IS SO COMPELLED TO BUY S-300 FROM COWARD RUSSIA.DOESN'T IRAN POSSESS THE CAPABILITY TO BUILD A NEW AIR DEFENSE OF ITS OWN?

Iran makes its own air defense system and we are well covered for in the short to medium range radius. However, the S-300/400 systems are long range air defense systems that are unchallenged in the world by any other air defense system.

ONCE PAKISTANI PRIME MINISTER BHUTTO PROMISED TO BUILD NUCLEAR BOMB TO COMPETE WITH IT'S ARCH RIVAL INDIA EVEN BY EATING GRASS !!!! HE KEPT HIS PROMISE AND MADE PAKISTAN A NUCLEAR POWERED COUNTRY.

Unfortunately this is what is happening today in Pakistan. A prime minister saying such a thing should be fired from his post and be considered a disgrace. In Iran if a minister ever says weapons are more important than the people having food, he can hand in his resignation the next day. The question of whether it really brought deterrence capability to Pakistan is still open for debate.

SO WHERE DOES THE PROBLEM LIES IN IRAN?WHY CAN'T THEY MAKE A VERY GOOD MISSILE DEFENSE SYSTEM?

Developing a defensive missile system paralleled to capabilities of the S-300 requires decades of R&D. However, Iran is getting there.

WHO HELPED RUSSIA TO BUILD S-300?THEY MADE IT ON THEIR OWN.WHO HELPED U.S.A TO BUILD F-35 OR PATRIOT MISSILE?THEY USED THEIR INGENUITY TO BUILD THESE WEAPONS.

Well, indirectly it was German engineers in both the cases. They lay the foundations of missile/rocket and aircraft technology in both countries. Among many other technologies and sciences.

     CAN ANYBODY EXPLAIN WHY IRAN CAN'T BUILD A S-300 OF IT'S OWN?

You're repeating the same question over and over again.

WILL IRAN EVER BE ABLE TO BUILD A GOOD FIGHTER AND A GOOD AIR DEFENSE SYSTEM AS WELL?

It is already building better than good air defense systems and fighters. In time they will become better if God wills.