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Iran should buy their hardware from some other nation and at the same time the national arms industry should do what they can to get the know-how to make all the parts to these weapon systems and even engineer and fabricate better ones for future. I know its easier said than done, but there should be huge efforts for better and more efficient defense of Iran and her sovereignty.

LOL from what other nation ? U.S?! Russia and China both voted for sanctions against Iran, so good luck getting weapons from them. This regimes time is running out and they know it. They try to shrug off the sanctions like they are nothing, these new sanctions are going to hit Iran very hard and you lapdogs for the regime will soon be out of jobs.

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LOL from what other nation ? U.S?! Russia and China both voted for sanctions against Iran, so good luck getting weapons from them. This regimes time is running out and they know it. They try to shrug off the sanctions like they are nothing, these new sanctions are going to hit Iran very hard and you lapdogs for the regime will soon be out of jobs.
these sanction are not new, they are been there from the first of Islamic revolution.
even in the period of 8 year Holly defense.
so good luck with your observation.
  

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these sanction are not new, they are been there from the first of Islamic revolution.
even in the period of 8 year Holly defense.
so good luck with your observation.

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shutup
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Brothers, Who this is new guy  :-\

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i liked his rebutal. seemed quite unwarranted.. i mean debates can be heated, but that came out of nowhere. You didn't even call him an idiot.


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lol

But he has got a point earlier, what nation does have the hardware good enough for Iran's needs and is willing to provide them?

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Iran has the ability and the equipment to build a decent SAM by themselves and i am willing to bet China would not mind selling technology and assistance to Iran.

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Brothers, Who this is new guy  :-\

ignore him bro.... he is a loser!
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Iran has the ability and the equipment to build a decent SAM by themselves and i am willing to bet China would not mind selling technology and assistance to Iran.
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do the russian atleast give the money back?

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do the russian atleast give the money back?
they are supposed to...

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Russia vague  on S-300 delivery to Iran
Sat Aug 21, 2010 4:50AM

Russia's S-300 air defense system

Russian Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov says no decision has yet been made regarding the delivery of S-300 air defense systems to Iran.

“We are not supplying anything. There is no decision on supplies,” Ria Novosti quoted Serdyukov as telling reporters in Yerevan on Friday.

Russia signed a contract with Iran in December 2005 for sale at least five S-300 surface-to-air missile systems. However, the contract's implementation has continuously been delayed by the Russian side due to intense political and economic pressures by the US and EU on behalf of the Israeli regime.

Iran's Defense Minister Brigadier General Ahmad Vahidi indicated on Tuesday that Tehran is still waiting for Russia's official response on the status of the contract.

"After the endorsement of the US-proposed UN sanctions resolution, some quarters in Russia made comments on the sale of the air defense system. But Russian officials have still not clarified the status of the deal,” he said.
He added, "The Russians announced that they are still waiting for their president's decision regarding UN Security Council (UNSC) resolution 1929, but we are also pursuing the case."

The sale of S-300 systems is believed to fall under the current UN sanctions, though Russia has said that the delivery would not be affected since the weapons are not included in the UN Register of Conventional Arms.

Washington has strongly opposed the deal, arguing that the fourth round of the UNSC sanctions as well as the unilateral measures by the US and EU against Iran should keep Moscow from delivering the missiles.

The head of the Russian State Technology Corporation Rostekhnologii, Sergei Chemezov, said in July that the contract had not been cancelled.

The S-300 is capable of shooting down aircrafts, cruise missiles and ballistic missile warheads at ranges of over 144 kilometers and at altitudes of about 90,000 feet (27,432 meters).

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Bokhore to sareshoon, no one wants stone age tech.
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By the time the Russians decide to pass S-300 SMPU's that Iran purchased it will be considered an old technology.

The contract was signed in 2005, we are in second half of 2010 that is almost five years late already. Russians may or may not pass these missiles to Iran next year but by then their technology advantage is pretty much useless and compromised by Iran's arch enemies!

Iran should simply cancel the sale due to no delivery and not only collect the one billion paid to Russians already but also the $400,000000.00 dollars as the penalty. With that Iran can spend the money on other countries to obtain bits and pieces of technologies needed to manufacture it on its own. As we have already seen in the last parade, Iran already posses a good portion of a or two functioning units, that is where Iran should start.

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Well technically they arent 5 years late..Most military contracts take several years to be finalized.

And if Iran cancels the contract good luck getting any of the money back from the Russians let alone the interest...As the Russians have proven time and time again, contracts with them are pretty worthless.
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can you define 'several', eagle. 5 years is a long time to wait for finalisation.
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The whole international weapon trade deals are shams.

Third world countries will get only outdated and useless version of the weapons once US, Israel, France, UK have the countermeasures or weapons that are much better and superior.

Iran will get S-300 once Israel and US air forces know how to defeat it.

Russia did not even care about the safety of Russian engineers in Bushehr, working on Iran nuclear reactor.

Iran will get S-300 in a few years when it has less importance and when US introduce more advanced weapons.

 

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The whole international weapon trade deals are shams.

Third world countries will get only outdated and useless version of the weapons once US, Israel, France, UK have the countermeasures or weapons that are much better and superior.

Iran will get S-300 once Israel and US air forces know how to defeat it.

Russia did not even care about the safety of Russian engineers in Bushehr, working on Iran nuclear reactor.

Iran will get S-300 in a few years when it has less importance and when US introduce more advanced weapons.

 

This is how it works... Iran should try and obtain these techs by all means and not lean on a single nation for such supplies. Im pretty sure thats how thet are doing it already though.

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i read iran already has the S300 system russia played israel and US

http://www.****.***/news/diplomacy-defense/iran-official-we-have-obtained-the-s-300-missile-system-1.305954?localLinksEnabled=false

thoughts?

long back Iran obtained the system in secrete, thats why the picture below even it is S-300 or it is Iranian made S-300

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Officially Iran does not have the S300 system and has not paid for it either. But some russian analysts claim that a downpayment has been made and that Russia has to pay Iran a major fine if it does not deliver within a certain time period. I am not sure on the specifics but it was reported on Tehran Times. A very large sum was mentioned if Russia decides not to deliver. There is also widespread debate on the army day hardware shown on army day whether it was a chinese variant simulaneously purchased along with the S300 or whether it was an empty gesture. Especially because on the truck it said "WE CAN DO IT" it is suggested that the S300 system or the chinese variant can and/or has been duplicated and copied by the Iranians.

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Russia halts missile delivery to Iran

Russia will not supply the potent S-300 air defence missiles to Iran under a previously signed contract with Tehran because they are subject to UN Security Council sanctions on the Islamic republic, a senior Russian general said today.

“The decision has been made not to deliver S-300s to Iran. They are of course covered by the sanctions. The leadership decided to halt the delivery process. We are carrying this decision out,” Chief of the Russian Defence General Nikolai Makarov was quoted as saying by Interfax.

Answering to a question on whether the contract signed in December 2005 with Iran will be scrapped, Makarov said: “We will see — it will depend on Iran’s behaviour.”

According to government-run RIA Novosti in late August, Russian Defence Minister Anatoly Serdyukov had said that a decision on the delivery of S-300 missiles to Iran had not yet been taken by the Kremlin.

S-300 missiles, equivalent of the US Patriot systems, are capable of thwarting any pre-emptive strike by Israel or US on Iran’s suspected nuclear weapons development sites.

Under pressure from Washington and Tel Aviv, Moscow has been delaying the S-300 missile deliveries to Tehran although local experts believe that the fresh set of sanctions slapped on Iran by the UN Security Council in June do not cover the S-300 as it is purely a defensive system.

The S-300 air defence systems are not included in the UN Register of Conventional Arms covering the ban on supply of eight broad categories of heavy weapons to Iran like battle tanks, armoured combat vehicles, heavy artillery systems, combat aircraft, helicopter gunships, warships, heavy missiles or missile systems.

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Kremlin bans sale of S-300 missile systems to Iran

The Kremlin has formally banned the sale of S-300 air defence missile systems to Iran three months after new UN sanctions.

A decree was issued by President Dmitry Medvedev prohibiting the sale, which had been in the pipeline for years.

Earlier, Gen Nikolai Makarov, head of Russia's general staff, confirmed that the missiles were "definitely" subject to the sanctions introduced in June.

At that time, Russia's foreign minister said the S-300 deal was not affected.

Possession of S-300 systems would enhance Iran's defence of its nuclear facilities against attack from the air.

Mr Medvedev's decree, published on Kremlin website, lists the S-300 among military items which must not be exported to Iran under the fourth round of sanctions imposed by the UN Security Council on Iran over its nuclear programme.

"The decision has been taken not to supply S-300 [systems] to Iran," Gen Makarov said at Ramenskoye airport outside Moscow, shortly before the decree was published.

"They are definitely subject to sanctions."

Asked if Russia had torn up its contract with Iran, he replied: "We'll see. That will depend on how Iran behaves."

Back in June Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said the new sanctions would not affect the S-300 contract.

However, shortly afterwards, Prime Minister Vladimir Putin was quoted by French media as saying the sale had been suspended.

There has long been speculation that Israel may attempt to bomb Iranian facilities to prevent Iran acquiring nuclear weapons.

Iran denies seeking nuclear weapons, insisting that its programme is purely civilian.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11388680

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