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New weapon system have appeared. Stealth Jeep.

Take normal Jeep truck, without any metal armor. Lack of metall armor greatly decreases visibility in Radar spectrum.
Then add to the truck 23 mm or 35 mm Anti Aircraft gun and MANPAD missiles like Igla.

Igla missiles is just an initial suggestion. Future MANPAD missiles must have TV Night Vision cameras to defeat IR flares
discharged by modern Helicopters and Aircrafts.

If Jeep lacks metal armor then it can not be located by enemy's Aircrafts Radar.
Even better, Jeep can have Plastic Armor panels. Plastic Armor is not visible by enemy's Radar.

Plastic Armor Jeep can be covered by Camouflage Nets to further hide it from observation by Infantry and Tanks.

I must add that Plastic Armor Jeep is not similar to BTR and BMP platforms. BTR and BMP are easily located by Airplane's Radars
since their armor is completely metal.

And further suggestion is to put NEBO SVU Radar on Plastic Armor Jeep. NEBO SVU Jeep will give additional detection of Stealth
Aircrafts while itself being undetectable.

Below are the pictures of current weaponised Jeeps (not Plastic ones).

Posted by Planeman on http://milforum.net/threads/60020-Bluffer-s-Guide-Fortress-Iran-Part-1-Air-Defences

Misagh-1/2 series MANPADs
The Misagh-1 and 2 are based on the Chinese QW-1 and QW-11/18 respectively. The QW-1 is based on the Russian SA-16 missile but incorporates features of the US Stinger. The QW-11 and QW-18 are further enhancements. It’s not clear how different the Misagh series is from its Chinese parents.

Misagh-2 is widely deployed among infantry and light motorized units, but has also been developed into a twin pedestal mount that can be fitted to jeeps (typically Toyota derived designs) for enhanced mobility, targeting and crew comfort (and thus readiness). The mount has two missiles ready to fire with enhanced targeting and larger batteries to allow prolonged activation, thus reducing reaction time.



ZU-23-1
The ZU-23-1 is, as the name implies, half a ZU-23-2 (note the -1 not -2). Actually that’s my name for it; I don’t think there’s a widely given name for this uniquely Iranian system. Although the twin barreled ZU-23-2 is frequently mounted on the back of a pick-up, doing so limits its field of fire because the cab gets in the way. The Iranians have sought to overcome this by reducing the weight of the gun so that it can be mounted higher up, and what better way to reduce the weight than to remove one of the guns?
ZU-23-2 mounted on a Toyota derived pick-up:


EDITED in light of fresh evidence: Another peculiarly Iranian attempt to remedy the field-of-fire problem with vehicle mounted ZU-23-2s is to bolt them to the top of a the Toyota SUV on a flat roof. I speculate that this is not a particurly stable (and thus accurate) firing platform as it's munted high up on a sprung susspension rubber wheelled vehicle with no outriggers. As if that concept isn’t comical enough someone attacked them with a can of spray paint and the standard Iranian camouflage ‘splodge’ stencil. I promise you I couldn’t make this up… (Image from before it was confirmed as a Toyota similar to the ZU-23-1 image above)

Referring to this...

why should it be radar stealth?

Jeeps will be detected with normal visible or thermal cameras.. Planes will not use Radar to detect the jeeps ... and those weapons are anyway short range so they dont have any value against fighter jets

what do you mean jeeps equiped with electrin engine are stealth? electric engines will not produce gases but the engine will be hot too and this will make the jeep visible...

there is no need to detect a jeep with a radar ... max range of manpads is around the 5 km -7 km

what do you mean jeeps equiped with electrin engine are stealth? electric engines will not produce gases but the engine will be hot too and this will make the jeep visible...

there is no need to detect a jeep with a radar ... max range of manpads is around the 5 km -7 km

Range of future MANPADs can be much higher. 30 kilometers for example.

And Electric Engine is much cooler then Petrol Engine. Jeep running on Electric Engine will be much more stealthy.

To Pasdar:
Stealth Jeeps is new development in Land Forces. If Jeep is stealthy it can threaten Aircrafts and tanks while itself being undetectable.

plastic does not = armoure and ground attack pilots still  use thier Mk-1 eyeballs to spot thier targets! Proper use of camoflage and concealment is a lot more cost effective then developing composite armoured light utility trucks that can still be seen with the human eye.

To Pasdar:
Stealth Jeeps is new development in Land Forces and Air Defences. If Jeep is stealthy it can threaten Aircrafts and tanks while itself being undetectable.

Stealth Jeep can carry long range MANPADs, 23 or 35 mm Anti Aircraft Gun and Anti Tank missiles.

Instead of going into development of easily Radar detectable tanks, BMPs and BTRs Iran can develop Stealth Jeeps instead.
In my opinion Plastic Armored Jeeps with Electric Engines can survive Air War and hit back while being undetectable by US Aircrafts.

I find myself very much convinced from your argument and approach. Thank you for bringing this idea here.

I am totally a layperson when it comes to defense. So, I have always a lot of questions.

Question 1: Are Infrared/Optic Cameras able to guide  1-Hawk missiles, which are mounted on such stealth vehicle?

Question 2: Is it possible to have a network of Infrared/Optic Cameras, covering whole air space of Iran?

Question 3: Is it possible to network these Infrared/Optic Cameras with NEBO and other Radars network.

In theory, NEBO detects a Stealth fighter, but Stealth fighter also detects NEBO and fires HARM missile. In order to get rid of HARM missile, one has to turn NEBO off and move it to shelter.  But before turning NEBO off, Infrared/TV Cameras should also lock the Stealth fighter and then till the last stage of guiding 1-Hawk missiles / Saeer  and hitting the stealth fighter.

Question 4: What is the maximum range of manpads?
Any how, 1-Hawk missile which is  mounted on stealth vehicle, it is no different than a manpad.

Question 1: Are Infrared/Optic Cameras able to guide I-Hawk missiles, which are mounted on such stealth vehicle?

Right now I-HAWK missiles are guided by millimeter Radar and not Infrared optics. Infrared optics is used on MANPAD missiles such as Russian Igla and Iranian Misagh-2.

Question 2: Is it possible to have a network of Infrared/Optic Cameras, covering whole air space of Iran?

Infrared optics can be installed on Jeeps, Tanks, BMPs. Infrared Optics is very useful on mobile platforms such as Jeeps, Tanks and BMPs.

Question 3: Is it possible to network these Infrared/Optic Cameras with NEBO and other Radars network.

It is possible. NEBO SVU Radar can and should be used in conjunction with Infrared Optics equiped platforms.

In theory, NEBO detects a Stealth fighter, but Stealth fighter also detects NEBO and fires HARM missile. In order to get rid of HARM missile, one has to turn NEBO off and move it to shelter. But before turning NEBO off, Infrared/TV Cameras should also lock onto the Stealth fighter and guide I-Hawk missiles/Saeer and hit the Stealth Fighter.

Agree. NEBO SVU should be hidden into bunker once HARM launch is detected. Infrared Optics equiped missiles then can be launched at Stealth Aircraft.

Question 4: What is the maximum range of manpads?
Any how, I-Hawk missile which is  mounted on stealth vehicle, it is no different than a manpad.

Iranian Misagh-2 has range of 5 kilometers and altitude of 5 kilometers. I-HAWK is not Infrared guided missile. It has millimeter wavelength Radar  guidence and can not target Stealth Aircrafts (since Stealth Aircrafts reflect Radar beam to the sides, and I-HAWK receives no signal back).

If I-HAWK was equiped with Infrared Guidence it would have range 40 kilometers and altitude 20 kilometers. Equiping I-HAWK missile with Nightvision TV and Infrared cameras will create missile that can target Stealth Aircrafts. And has greatly improved range (compared to MANPADs).

Right now only Infrared guided Misagh-2 is available with the range 5 kilometers and altitude 5 kilometers.

Excelent video.

Now imagine Jeep has Plastic Armor (Radar Stealth), Electric Engine (Infrared Stealth) and Camouflage Net (Infantry Visible Spectrum Stealth) on it.

It is Stealthy against Aircraft's Radar, it shoots missiles and then hides in desert background without being noticeable by enemy Aircrafts.

That is the principle of Stealth Jeep operation.

whats so stealthy about a toyota pick up truck?

Read above. I said "imagine Jeep has Plastic chassis".

Plastic Chassis and Armor for Stealth Jeep should be made out of multi-layer Plastic.
If one layer of Plastic reflects to the sides Radar Beam partially then multi-layer Plastic (say 100 layers) will reflect the whole Radar Beam.

Multi-layer Plastic Jeep will reflect whole Radar Beam to the side. Multi-layer Plastic Armor is the correct solution for Stealth Jeep.

The physical law in Optics says that each layer of Plastic reflects Radar Beam partially (say 1/100 of Radar Beam).
If you have multi-layer Plastic Armor then Stealth Jeep will reflect the whole Radar Beam to the sides. Each layer of Plastic will reflect Radar Beam to the side partially. 100 layers of Plastic will reflect the whole Radar Beam part by part (say 1/100 of Radar Beam will be reflected by 1 layer of Plastic Armor).

Reflecting Radar Beam to the side of Jeep is Stealth Technology.

A MANPAD is carried by a man ... only the warhead of a HAWK is more than 50 kg.

Yes, I used the term MANPAD because modified I-HAWK will have Nightvision and Infrared camera guidence. Similar to MANPAD.

If I-HAWK is added MANPAD guidence it will be launched from mobile platform (like Stealth Jeep).