Author Topic: Upgraded Missaghe II was tested during Velayat 90 maneuvers (Read 2577 times)

Catsoo · « **on:** January 01, 2012, 07:32:51 PM »

http://www.mashreghnews.ir/fa/news/88846/%D8%B1%D9%88%D9%86%D9%85%D8%A7%DB%8C%DB%8C-%D8%A7%D8%B2-%D9%85%D9%88%D8%B4%DA%A9-%D9%85%DB%8C%D8%AB%D8%A7%D9%82-2-%D8%A8%D9%87%DB%8C%D9%86%D9%87-%D8%B4%D8%AF%D9%87

Catsoo

Ich · « **Reply #1 on:** January 03, 2012, 04:17:40 PM »

Is this the newer version of the MANPAD? Bing-translater doesnt translate it good so is this right that this manpad has a range of araound 10000 m ?

aryana · « **Reply #2 on:** January 09, 2012, 12:22:21 AM »

how is it improved?

M-ATF · « **Reply #3 on:** January 09, 2012, 06:18:59 AM »

China has developed many short range missiles based on short range MANPADS.

For example they have developed QW-3 based QW-2, they added a booster to QW-2 :
qw-2:

qw-3

They also have developed qw-19 based qw-18:
qw-18:

qw-19:

It is said qw-18L is longer diameter missile than qw-18 with longer range,Im not sure but according to image of launchers of qw-18 and qw18L, I guess relation of qw-18 and qw-18L is similar to relation of QW-2 and QW-3:
launcher of QW-18L and QW-18:

I think development of SAM's like qw-3 based Misagh-2 is good option for small warships of Iran, if they develop automatic multiple launcher linked to a fire control system

Ich · « **Reply #4 on:** January 09, 2012, 07:49:59 AM »

Thx for information, M-ATF

A range of 8km is good in asymetric war against choppers ect.

Catsoo · « **Reply #5 on:** January 09, 2012, 02:24:44 PM »

M-ATF,

The Q-3with booster is not practical wit MANPADS rather it is designed to be mounted to a vehicle as a light field AD system.

Incidentally, I believe Iran will soon be looking at similar system for its fast attack boats that is if Iran has not yet looked into it already since I remember recent news mentioning a new AD system for all Iranian attack boats.

Catsoo

mohsin · « **Reply #6 on:** January 09, 2012, 02:36:58 PM »

Quote from: Catsoo on January 09, 2012, 02:24:44 PM

M-ATF,

The Q-3with booster is not practical wit MANPADS rather it is designed to be mounted to a vehicle as a light field AD system.

Incidentally, I believe Iran will soon be looking at similar system for its fast attack boats that is if Iran has not yet looked into it already since I remember recent news mentioning a new AD system for all Iranian attack boats.

Catsoo

in the videos of the past and the recent naval exercises, there were instances where a solider would fire a missaq manpad while standing on top of the small missile boat. but i dought that a solider would be able to do this in a war situation specially with a fast moving and maneuvering boat. for that reason a mounted missile of similar or slightly larger diameter is needed for the boats

M-ATF · « **Reply #7 on:** January 09, 2012, 03:07:47 PM »

Catsoo

As I said in my previous post, I talked about using them with a automatic launcher that can launch several missiles under the control of a fire control system for small warships like small missile boats.
Systems like Simbad (mistral missile) , or Gibka ( igla missile) or launchers like chinese FL-3000N

Simbad:

Gibka:

FL-3000N:

Ich · « **Reply #8 on:** January 09, 2012, 03:29:44 PM »

QW-3 seems to be a manpad

http://www.dtig.org/docs/MANPADS.pdf

aryana · « **Reply #9 on:** January 09, 2012, 04:16:37 PM »

so if qw-1m is misagh 2 and it is copy of sa-18 .
we can assume that the new misagh is sa-24.
but just asume.

Catsoo · « **Reply #10 on:** January 09, 2012, 04:53:48 PM »

Quote

QW-3 seems to be a manpad

Yes but not with a booster as seen in that photo!

Catsoo

aryana · « **Reply #11 on:** January 09, 2012, 06:05:19 PM »

the big fat thing at the start of the qw3 is a booster .

Nonbarbari · « **Reply #12 on:** January 09, 2012, 06:27:32 PM »

Quote from: aryana on January 09, 2012, 04:16:37 PM

so if qw-1m is misagh 2 and it is copy of sa-18 .
we can assume that the new misagh is sa-24.
but just asume.

I lost you after your first assuming...

Catsoo · « **Reply #13 on:** January 09, 2012, 10:29:06 PM »

Here is a good table for world MANPADS:

http://www.dtig.org/docs/MANPADS.pdf

Catsoo

M-ATF · « **Reply #14 on:** January 10, 2012, 03:46:17 AM »

Ich,
QW-3 is MANPAD but isnt shoulder mount, It is said this is launcher of QW-3:

This image shows launcher of QW-18L and QW-18, I think launcher of QW-3 is the same size of QW-18L compared to QW-2 or QW-18:

http://www.defense.gouv.fr/var/dicod/storage/images/base-de-medias/images/ema/sitta/zhuhai-2010/fl-19/1065441-1-fre-FR/fl-19.jpg

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Aryana
It is said Misagh II is based on QW-2.

Numbers · « **Reply #15 on:** January 10, 2012, 11:00:12 AM »

Quote from: M-ATF on January 10, 2012, 03:46:17 AM

QW-3 is MANPAD but isnt shoulder mount.

QW-3 missile's weight is 23 kilograms. Quite possible to launch it from shoulder.

The whole idea behind MANPAD is to launch it from shoulder from any vehicle. Any jeep can mount a MANPAD. There is no need to develop APC specially for multiple MANPAD launcher (like China did).

aryana · « **Reply #16 on:** January 10, 2012, 01:50:01 PM »

Quote from: M-ATF on January 10, 2012, 03:46:17 AM

Ich,
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Aryana
It is said Misagh II is based on QW-2.

the spec match qw-1m better.

M-ATF · « **Reply #17 on:** January 10, 2012, 03:08:29 PM »

Quote from: aryana on January 10, 2012, 01:50:01 PM

the spec match qw-1m better.

This is QW-2:

and this is Misagh-2:

and this is misagh-1 that is based on QW-1:

and this is QW-1:

This new image is from recent wargames of IRGC:

and this is an old image of above MANPAD:

to me this MANPAD is very similar to QW-18 and QW-1M:

QW-18:

QW-1M:

Quote from: Numbers on January 10, 2012, 11:00:12 AM

QW-3 missile's weight is 23 kilograms. Quite possible to launch it from shoulder.

The whole idea behind MANPAD is to launch it from shoulder from any vehicle. Any jeep can mount a MANPAD. There is no need to develop APC specially for multiple MANPAD launcher (like China did).

Number ,
There are MANPAD's that aren't shoulder mount, they are luanched on a tripd, I didnt say there is need to APC or any type of vehicles, If you search you can find several of them. Man Portable is different than Shoulder mount.

aryana · « **Reply #18 on:** January 10, 2012, 04:28:50 PM »

so what is your points wich one is it?
ps i think the missile in action are igla not misagh
the last two pics dont show.

Catsoo · « **Reply #19 on:** January 10, 2012, 04:32:57 PM »

M-ATF,

Could you also add your Missagh images and specs in Missagh's appropriate thread in AD section?

If the section does not exist create one.

Thanks,

Catsoo

M-ATF · « **Reply #20 on:** January 10, 2012, 04:58:28 PM »

Aryana,
you were right, I was wrong, the Images i poste as Misagh 2 in fact is Sterla 3:
http://delagah.persiangig.com/image/Manpad/Misagh-2%20%282%29.jpg
http://delagah.persiangig.com/image/Manpad/Misagh-2.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_okE2fz_Pef8/Sww-ZD1JKeI/AAAAAAAAByU/MJ5osnRgn7U/s1600/12_8809031755_L600.jpg

and in fact the last two image of Iranian MANPAD I posted are Misagh II that is Iranian made QW-1M:
http://gallery.military.ir/albums/userpics/File_2347_43619.jpg
http://media.farsnews.com/Media/8411/ImageReports/8411170195/11_8411170195_L600.jpg

These are QW-18 and QW-1M:
QW-1M:

QW-18:

the8march · « **Reply #21 on:** January 21, 2012, 03:33:23 PM »

are there some info about the seekers?

Numbers · « **Reply #22 on:** February 07, 2012, 05:15:13 AM »

Quote from: M-ATF on January 10, 2012, 03:08:29 PM

There are MANPAD's that aren't shoulder mount, they are luanched on a tripod, I didnt say there is need to APC or any type of vehicles, If you search you can find several of them. Man Portable is different than Shoulder mount.

The whole idea is to have 23 kilograms missile that can be launched by single soldier. The tripod also has to be man portable. So you can relocate Misagh 2 tripod between Jeeps, trenches and fast attack boats.