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Baseej Militia air wing
« on: November 25, 2010, 08:01:59 PM »
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A dedicated thread for Baseej air wing is long overdue. With advent of design and manufacturing light aircraft and sport aircraft in Iran, the trend seems to point towards arming Baseej with more of such flying machines.

Not so sure if this is the best place to create such thread, but until a proper a section created for Baseej, this should serve a temporary home until moved to proper section.



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Re: Baseej Militia air wing
« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2010, 08:24:16 PM »
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What sort of uses could such things have? The ability to lay mines, transport snipers, ATGMs?
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Re: Baseej Militia air wing
« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2010, 08:38:21 PM »
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Re: Baseej Militia air wing
« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2010, 08:44:16 PM »
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What sort of uses could such things have? The ability to lay mines, transport snipers, ATGMs?

Well, the operational duties of such a force are on the lighter side. The air wing can be used for SAR, observation,
and for motivational purposes.

Not every flying machine in Iranian arsenal should be expected to carry Mines or missiles!


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Re: Baseej Militia air wing
« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2010, 08:47:52 PM »
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Crowd observation and control is one use I can think of. These things can be in the air for quite a long time with barely any fuel usage, and they can communicate with ground personnel.
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Re: Baseej Militia air wing
« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2010, 08:51:12 PM »
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Does anyone have the video of the Iranian soldier laying a mine then escaping with his paraglider?
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Re: Baseej Militia air wing
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Re: Baseej Militia air wing
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Re: Baseej Militia air wing
« Reply #8 on: November 25, 2010, 10:56:09 PM »
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Do these planes have a radar signature?
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Re: Baseej Militia air wing
« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2010, 12:49:21 AM »
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The high-vis colors of the canopy would definitely indicate a light-duty/policing role.

On the other hand, there are videos like this...

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...which indicate that ultralights (technically the video shows paragliders, but same-dif) are used like dragoons.

The wiki article on "swarming (military)" is pretty informative on the potential uses of ultralights like this in a modern battlefield used in exactly this manner, i suggest reading it, especially considering Irans asymmetric defence strategy. 





On an unrelated note, my dad was telling me about one of his friends who used to fly one of these to work every day during certain times of the year, but had like 4+ crash landings.
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Qazvin Basijis trained on air monitoring
« Reply #10 on: March 09, 2011, 01:37:07 PM »
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بسیجیان قزوین دوره دیده بانی هوایی دیدند
اولین همایش دیده بانی بصری هوایی با حضور فرماندهان حوزه ها و پایگاههای مقاومت بسیج و مسئولین عملیات رده های سپاه استان در حسینیه شهید مطهری قزوین برگزار شد.

به گزارش گروه دفاع و امنیت مشرق به نقل از مهر، در این دوره آموزشی شرکت کنندگان با انواع دیده بانی در مراکز نظامی و اهمیت آن در پدافند هوایی آشنا می شوند.

سرهنگ جمالی مسئول مرکز دیده بانی هوائی قرارگاه خاتم الانبیاء کشور در این همایش با اشاره به اهمیت دیده بانی هوائی گفت: دیده بانی در حقیقت نبض یک گردان عمل کننده است و دیده بان باید با دقت شرایط را ببیند و فرمانده را در جریان اتفاقات قرار دهد تا فرمانده بتواند به درستی تصمیم بگیرد وعمل کند.

سرهنگ حاج علی معاون عملیات سپاه استان هدف از برگزاری این همایش را ایجاد آمادگی لازم برای مسئولان عملیات و حوزه های بسیج و سپاه به منظور استفاده ازابزارهای دیده بانی ذکر کرد.

در این مراسم فرماندهان حوزه ها و مسئولین عملیات تیپ و حوزه های بسیج با نحوه استفاده از ابزارهای دیده بانی آشنا شدند.

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Qazvin Basijis trained on air monitoring
First Conference visually monitoring the presence of air bases and field commanders and authorities mobilized resistance categories Corps operations in the province of Qazvin mounth martyr Motahhari held.

The Department of Defense and Security Orient quoted October, the course participants with a variety of monitoring and its importance in military facilities in the air defense are met.

Jamali colonel in charge of the center air monitoring station at Khatam countries pointed to the importance of this Conference scout said air: monitoring the pulse actually has a revolving operating and watch carefully to see the situation and commander during the events will be commander to be able to correctly decide Vml.

Army Col. Haji Ali deputy operations Province purpose of this congress ready to make officials and field operations to mobilize and use Azabzarhay Corps scout cited.

In the event the field commanders and brigade operations and authorities mobilized areas how to use monitoring tools were introduced.
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Re: Baseej Militia air wing
« Reply #11 on: March 09, 2011, 01:55:24 PM »
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they look great in the air....
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Re: Baseej Militia air wing
« Reply #12 on: April 16, 2011, 10:34:48 AM »
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Every time I get to the 'Air Forces' I get a little depressed! But today; it made my day XD What could possibly be the use of such crafts?

Observation: They'll easily get shot down.
Rockets: I can't imagine theres any kind of proper aiming system.
Mines: A very limited number because of lack of space & also the weight it can carry( I imagine the maximum is the average weight of 2 adults )
Transport: 1 person XD

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4+ crash landings.
I was thinking just that when I saw your note. I mean common peopl

They're just toys to play with!
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Re: Baseej Militia air wing
« Reply #13 on: April 18, 2011, 08:22:10 AM »
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Quote from: Iranium on April 16, 2011, 10:34:48 AM
Every time I get to the 'Air Forces' I get a little depressed! But today; it made my day XD What could possibly be the use of such crafts?

Observation: They'll easily get shot down.
Rockets: I can't imagine theres any kind of proper aiming system.
Mines: A very limited number because of lack of space & also the weight it can carry( I imagine the maximum is the average weight of 2 adults )
Transport: 1 person XD
I was thinking just that when I saw your note. I mean common peopl

They're just toys to play with!
without u knowing i can tell that ur asking for it!
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Re: Baseej Militia air wing
« Reply #14 on: September 24, 2011, 11:44:47 PM »
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those kites are painted in Ukranian flag like the Iran 140 propellers  :think:
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Re: Baseej Militia air wing
« Reply #15 on: September 25, 2011, 08:31:33 AM »
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I asked before, what is the radar cross section of these planes but no one seems to know or answer.

Does anyone know?
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Re: Baseej Militia air wing
« Reply #16 on: September 25, 2011, 04:22:08 PM »
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YMJ,

The RCS for these vehicles are very small due to the fact they are mostly manufactured with non metal materials.

I recall Palestinians used kites to penetrate into occupied Palestine without any detection.


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Re: Baseej Militia air wing
« Reply #17 on: September 25, 2011, 05:22:45 PM »
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Would be nice to have one as a hobby. Or some kind of a free time club or sports :-)
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Re: Baseej Militia air wing
« Reply #18 on: September 25, 2011, 05:55:15 PM »
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This could be good way of selecting future pilots . Those passing test ( physical and mental )  and fit and motivated . Also this vehicle can have some uses in special operations . With low RCS and low IR and turn engine off on approach is stealth ! 8)
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Re: Baseej Militia air wing
« Reply #19 on: October 04, 2011, 09:29:28 PM »
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Quote from: Catsoo on September 25, 2011, 04:22:08 PM
YMJ,

The RCS for these vehicles are very small due to the fact they are mostly manufactured with non metal materials.

I recall Palestinians used kites to penetrate into occupied Palestine without any detection.


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Thanks catsoo,

I thought they would have almost no RCS and therefore have really good asymmetric warfare usage.
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Re: Baseej Militia air wing
« Reply #20 on: October 14, 2011, 04:48:16 PM »
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Wow I've never seen something so cool like that.
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Re: Baseej Militia air wing
« Reply #21 on: December 02, 2011, 01:07:15 PM »
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They're sky colored, for camouflage.
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Re: Baseej Militia air wing
« Reply #22 on: February 22, 2012, 05:19:55 AM »
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Low IR with that open engine?

The modern anti air missiles can lock on a lawn mower,,

What comes to RCS, not true LO tech of course, but relatively low... In case of Palestinians, the response time vs time needed for penetration was far more essential.

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This could be good way of selecting future pilots . Those passing test ( physical and mental )  and fit and motivated . Also this vehicle can have some uses in special operations . With low RCS and low IR and turn engine off on approach is stealth ! 8)
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Re: Baseej Militia air wing
« Reply #23 on: February 22, 2012, 06:36:48 AM »
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Quote from: YMJ on November 25, 2010, 10:56:09 PM
Do these planes have a radar signature?
yes, the rotor lights up the radar screen like christmas tree!
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Re: Baseej Militia air wing
« Reply #24 on: February 22, 2012, 06:19:21 PM »
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Quote from: maydayfire on February 22, 2012, 06:36:48 AM
yes, the rotor lights up the radar screen like christmas tree!

so whats the use of them?
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