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Re: Crash of a military aircraft inside Tabriz
« Reply #25 on: September 12, 2011, 09:35:17 PM »
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they are old.. we need upgrade!

dont you think??
i agree i think most nations change thier frontline jet fighters every ten to 15 years.
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Re: Crash of a military aircraft inside Tabriz
« Reply #26 on: September 13, 2011, 02:18:12 PM »
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i agree i think most nations change thier frontline jet fighters every ten to 15 years.

I think its rather 20-25 years, look at the time gap between the Tornado-Eurofighter or F-16 - F-35. However they are upgraded almost continuously.

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Re: Crash of a military aircraft inside Tabriz
« Reply #27 on: September 13, 2011, 06:45:32 PM »
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Any nation can use the latest designed aircrafts, but wishes most of time don't come true. F-4s, F-5s, Mig-29s and SU-24s are still the backbone of many air forces in the world.

People must get it out of their system, Iran CANNOT BUY NEW AIR FORCE, period! Even if Iran is able to buy say a 100 new planes, Iran still does not stand much chance against its current enemies in the air. IRIAF role for now is not to accomplish air superiority and it still could not do it with a new 100 air frames bought from abroad, technology that Iran's enemies would know inside out.

Iran is best to modify its own frames and keep the enemy wondering than purchasing new frames with their secrets at the disposal of Iran's enemies be it Russian, American French or even Chinese technologies.

Have a bit of trust in the people at the helm of IRI armed forces who are some of the most experienced in the military world. They know what they are doing! Iran has made major strides in manufacturing defence systems year after year so much that it has attracted a good portion of defence discussions in the world today.  This is from a country that did not even produce hand grenades let alone radars, missiles, tanks and so forth at the beginning of Iran/Iraq war.

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actually i was talking about producing more of our own aircrafts.. like Shafaq or maybe an upgraded version of Saegheh.. or even the Sofreh mahi UCAVs

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Re: Crash of a military aircraft inside Tabriz
« Reply #28 on: September 13, 2011, 07:35:42 PM »
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actually i was talking about producing more of our own aircrafts.. like Shafaq or maybe an upgraded version of Saegheh.. or even the Sofreh mahi UCAVs
iran cant have any of those for two reasons controll station and sat control for ucav and engine and missiles for jets so whats the use?

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Re: Crash of a military aircraft inside Tabriz
« Reply #29 on: September 13, 2011, 10:14:12 PM »
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iran cant have any of those for two reasons controll station and sat control for ucav and engine and missiles for jets so whats the use?
has anyone told you before that you are such a nagging .....?

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Re: Crash of a military aircraft inside Tabriz
« Reply #30 on: September 13, 2011, 10:20:23 PM »
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The photos show an engine failure, but if looked sequentially, the third photo shows the pilot had managed the engine trouble somehow and as a matter of fact was confident enough to retract his landing gears. Besides, F-5s operates two engines, the pilot could have shut off the problem engine. I think it is premature to think the ejection seat did not work. Iranian pilots are famous for their dedication to eject at the last moment in emergency situations. We have already seen many of such cases (SU-24 crash landing in Mehrabad).
The pilot could have ejected the last moment. I don't believe the pilot was in the the cockpit when the crash happened. He could not have survived in the impact and with much fuel in the tanks.

I am curious to read the official report. Though I don't believe we will ever see the report.

Again, thank god the pilot is OK!



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catsoo, I am not a fighter pilot but if I had engine failure after V1 on take off and cant go for a go-around I would retract the gears as well to reduce drag so I can squeeze every last drop of airspeed to make preparation for an emergency landing in a park or open field. If possible would put down gears in last moment if not would go for a slip and slide on the belly!.   thank God the pilot is alive.
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Re: Crash of a military aircraft inside Tabriz
« Reply #31 on: September 13, 2011, 10:30:32 PM »
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Based on the video, the seat malfunctioned and was not detached from the pilot. He is really lucky he is alive and that the people pulled him from fire so fast. I realy hope he is OK.
Brother is that part of the seat or part of the emergency flotation device?

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Re: Crash of a military aircraft inside Tabriz
« Reply #32 on: September 14, 2011, 11:48:37 AM »
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iran cant have any of those for two reasons controll station and sat control for ucav and engine and missiles for jets so whats the use?
we have made one of the most powerful computers in the world, there is gona be a massive space station built in iran that only 2 or 3 countries have in the world..

so i think we DO have the potential and the technology to build controll station and sat controls and even auto system for our UAVs and UCAVs..
i dont know why nobody pays any attention to that.

and about jet engines.... why dont we reverse engineer an f14 or an f4 engine?
cuz as far as im concerned we are very good at reverse engineering..

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Re: Crash of a military aircraft inside Tabriz
« Reply #33 on: September 14, 2011, 04:33:33 PM »
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we have made one of the most powerful computers in the world, there is gona be a massive space station built in iran that only 2 or 3 countries have in the world..

so i think we DO have the potential and the technology to build controll station and sat controls and even auto system for our UAVs and UCAVs..
i dont know why nobody pays any attention to that.

and about jet engines.... why dont we reverse engineer an f14 or an f4 engine?
cuz as far as im concerned we are very good at reverse engineering..
super computers are all imported and iran cant smugle in such mass scale.
satelite constlation would cost billions of dollars and take decades to build .
and iran can build engines. maby because of cost or capacity who knows.

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Re: Crash of a military aircraft inside Tabriz
« Reply #34 on: September 15, 2011, 02:11:47 PM »
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super computers are all imported and iran cant smugle in such mass scale.
satelite constlation would cost billions of dollars and take decades to build .
and iran can build engines. maby because of cost or capacity who knows.
Aryana just a tiny bit of optimism please.You are so  :'(..Try walking on the sunny side of street.

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Re: Crash of a military aircraft inside Tabriz
« Reply #35 on: September 21, 2011, 01:53:42 PM »
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Brother is that part of the seat or part of the emergency flotation device?

mayday,

It is the actual seat. It should have been separated from pilot when the parachute deploys fully and pulls the pilot up and away. IRIAF F-5Es did have early versions of MB 0-0 ejection seats when dlivered in the 70's.

I believe I saw a partially deployed parachute on the ground so my assumtion is that he either ejected laterally hence less time for a fully deployed parachute and separation or the seat's rockets malfunctioned. In either case, chances are the pilot is severely injured. Hope he recovers soon. 
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