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Catsoo · « **on:** October 06, 2011, 02:08:38 PM »

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وحیدی اعلام کرد:
ایران ساخت هواپیماهای جنگنده جدید را در برنامه دارد

وزیر دفاع و پشتیبانی نیروهای مسلح از برنامه ایران برای ساخت هواپیماهای جنگنده جدید خبر داد.

به گزارش خبرگزاری مهر، سردار احمد وحیدی وزیر دفاع و پشتیبانی نیروهای مسلح در نود و دومین سفر استانی به همراه هیئت دولت به استان همدان سفر کرده است، از پایگاه سوم شکاری شهید نوژه همدان بازدید و از نزدیک با قابلیت های این پایگاه آشنا شد.

سردار وحیدی در جریان این بازدید در جمع فرماندهان و خلبانان و افسران این پایگاه اظهار داشت: نیروی هوایی با اقتدار علمی، عملیاتی، روحی، روانی و معنوی همچون شهابی مبین حافظ راستین آسمان ایران اسلامی و از پیشتازان دفاع از کشور است.

وی آشنایی، اشراف و کار با تجهیزات و سیستم های پیشرفته، شجاعت و بی باکی در انجام ماموریت های محوله و تقدیم صدها شهید و جانباز در دفاع از میهن اسلامی را از عوامل پدید آورنده این اقتدار دانست.

سردار وحیدی با بیان اینکه نیروی پرافتخار هوایی ارتش جمهوری اسلامی ایران جزء اولین نیروهایی بود که برای دفاع از مردم و میهن اسلامی به مصاف دشمنان متجاوز رفت، تصریح کرد: پاسخ کوبنده و بمباران گسترده مواضع دشمن در آغازین روزهای جنگ تحمیلی معادلات دشمنان متجاوز را کاملا بر هم زد.

وی گفت: امروز نیروی هوایی بسیار پرقدرت است و این قدرت با توکل به خدا و اتکا به تجهیزات و امکاناتی است که به دست متخصصان زبده و کارآمد صنایع دفاعی و توانمندی های داخلی ایجاد شده است نه وابستگی به خارج و بیگانگان.

سردار وحیدی گفت : تنوع جنگنده ها آماده نگه داشتن آنها ارتقاء و روز آمد سازی آنها طراحی و ساخت جنگنده های آذرخش و صاعقه و ساخت هواپیماهای جنگنده جدید که در برنامه داریم نشان ازنبوغ دانش و فناوری بومی و بالندگی صنعت دفاعی و نیروهای زبده عملیاتی است که در اوج تحریم ها توانمندی بسیار بالایی را به منصه ظهور رسانده اند.

وزیر دفاع با اشاره به ماموریت های ارزشمندی که پایگاه شهید نوژه در طول دوران دفاع مقدس و بعد از آن انجام داده است آمادگی و روحیه بالای فرماندهان و خلبانان این پایگاه را ستود و از ایثار و فداکاری و خدمات آنان تشکر و قدردانی کرد.

جلسه با فرماندهان ارشد نظامی و انتظامی، حضور در مراسم صبحگاه تیپ 32 انصار الحسین سپاه، بازدید از دانشگاه بوعلی، تیپ قهرمانان ارتش و شهرک صنعتی و اشنایی با فعالیت های آنان و گفتگو با مسئولان این مراکز از دیگر برنامه های سفر سردار وحیدی به استان همدان بود.
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http://www.mehrnews.com/fa/newsdetail.aspx?NewsID=1426146

MO_SOBOH · « **Reply #1 on:** October 07, 2011, 08:17:42 AM »

finally! lol... was waiting for this for some time now! just to shut some people up!

IRGC · « **Reply #2 on:** October 07, 2011, 11:14:09 AM »

Iran to develop new fighter jet

Iran's Defense Minister Brigadier General Ahmad Vahidi says the country has launched a new project, intended to design and build a new advanced fighter jet.

Brigadier General Vahidi said on Thursday that Iran has gained considerable experience through the design and mass production of its first home-made Saeqeh (Thunderbolt) and Azarakhsh (Lightening) fighter jets, IRNA reported.

He made the remarks in Nojeh air base in the city of Hamedan, located 400 kilometers (248 miles) southwest of the Iranian capital Tehran.

The Iranian defense minister noted that the design and production of advanced home-made fighter jets reveal the competence of Iran's defense industries and prove the futility of the US-led UN sanctions and additional unilateral sanctions imposed on the Islamic Republic by the US and its European allies.

Brigadier General Mohammadreza Karshki said last February that the Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force has begun an extensive project to design and build the country's most advanced fighter jet.

He added that the Iranian Air Force is cooperating with the nation's Defense Ministry in the project.

The Iranian fighter jet is similar to the US-built F/A-18, although its appearance looks similar to F-5E/F Tiger II.

The new single-seat bomber has the ability to track down enemy aircraft, engage in combat, target locations on the ground, and carry a load of assorted weapons and ammunition.

Iran unveiled its first squadron of Saeqeh fighter-bombers in an air show in September 2010.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/203215.html

MO_SOBOH · « **Reply #3 on:** October 07, 2011, 11:18:49 AM »

soz I like photos

farbod · « **Reply #4 on:** October 07, 2011, 11:41:50 AM »

wait a minute they have just started designing it??i though they were going to unveil it..

M-ATF · « **Reply #5 on:** October 07, 2011, 03:29:26 PM »

Intresting point is that he has talked about deisgn of a series of new fighters not just one fighter.

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وی با اعلام اینکه وزارت دفاع ارتقاء بیشتر توانایی این جنگنده ها را در دستور کار دارد، گفت: علاوه بر اینها طراحی یک سری از جنگنده های جدید را در دستور کار داریم.

http://www.mehrnews.com/fa/newsdetail.aspx?NewsID=1426276

Chacko-T · « **Reply #6 on:** October 07, 2011, 04:17:50 PM »

Quote from: farbod on October 07, 2011, 11:41:50 AM

wait a minute they have just started designing it??i though they were going to unveil it..

Yes they just started, so we will see the results in 8-10 years...

Catsoo · « **Reply #7 on:** October 07, 2011, 05:38:01 PM »

Iran to Build New Fighter Jet

TEHRAN (FNA)- Senior Iranian defense ministry officials announced that Tehran is working on a new warplane to expand the fleet of its home-made fighter jets.

Speaking to reporters, Iranian Defense Minister Brigadier General Ahmad Vahidi said production of hi-tech and advanced military tools, weapons and equipments displays Iran's might and power and proves that sanctions against the country have been futile.

Iran has recently made good progress in the air industry and has succeeded in gaining the technical know-how for producing stealth aircraft and drones.

Iran successfully tested a home-made radar-evading UAV with bombing capabilities in June 2009. Also in 2008, the country's Defense Industries launched production lines of two well-known home-made fighter jets, namely Saeqeh (Thunderbolt) and Azarakhsh (Lightening).

In September 2010, Iran displayed the first squadron of Saeqeh (Thunderbolt) fighter jets produced by its defense industries in an air show staged during the military parades at the beginning of the Week of Sacred Defense, marking Iranians' sacrifices during the 8 years of Iraqi imposed war on Iran in 1980s.

Also, the first squadron of home-made Saeqeh (Thunderbolt) fighter jets of the Iranian Air Force officially started operations during the large offensive air drills codenamed "Fadaeeyan-e Harim-e Vellayat III" in Northwestern Iran this September.

"The Saeqeh fighter jets came into operation during the drills," Spokesman of the wargames Lieutenant Commander of the Iranian Air Force Brigadier General Hossein Chitforoush told FNA in mid September.

http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=9007130240

aryana · « **Reply #8 on:** October 07, 2011, 07:24:08 PM »

they have been saying that for 6 years now.

maydayfire · « **Reply #9 on:** October 07, 2011, 07:47:45 PM »

Quote from: aryana on October 07, 2011, 07:24:08 PM

they have been saying that for 6 years now.

and you have been nagging ever since.

aryana · « **Reply #10 on:** October 07, 2011, 08:59:01 PM »

Quote from: maydayfire on October 07, 2011, 07:47:45 PM

and you have been nagging ever since.

yes because they are just saying things without a shred of evidence. they are not sane.

maydayfire · « **Reply #11 on:** October 07, 2011, 10:46:30 PM »

Quote from: aryana on October 07, 2011, 08:59:01 PM

yes because they are just saying things without a shred of evidence. they are not sane.

looks to me you nag about things in which you see in yourself.

Emirzaad · « **Reply #12 on:** October 07, 2011, 11:29:26 PM »

I see this thing being unveiled in 2013 .... What will be interesting to see is that ....

Whether it will be Su24 + F4 ... or Mig29 + F14 .... or F-5E + F20 kind of thing like Saeqeh ...

If Iran can put out a plane in class of Mig-29 or Tomcat then it will be a big achievement .

I guess Iranian air-force finally has understood that One day these Tomcats and Phantoms will retire too , and As long as Iran is under Sanctions no one will give iran any good Modern day jet .... so Iran needs to develop a potential Replacement for Tomcats and F-4s ... This may sound like a fantasy to some ppl but ... I dont know why I believe that iran will surprise the whole world ... it has done this in past ... it will do it again InshAllah !

aryana · « **Reply #13 on:** October 08, 2011, 10:46:48 AM »

Quote from: maydayfire on October 07, 2011, 10:46:30 PM

looks to me you nag about things in which you see in yourself.

You are really a worm.

ahriman46 · « **Reply #14 on:** October 08, 2011, 04:13:42 PM »

nomad · « **Reply #15 on:** October 09, 2011, 08:52:09 AM »

In building planes I think Iran should remember three important factors . ( 1 ) What is the likely attack and at what time and where and by whom ( 2 ) What is likely defence ( to be made or bought ) and ( 3 ) How to link this parrallel events .

Eg : Intelligence and politician predict likely attack in X years from now by country Y using equipment Z . Then Engineer and ministry of finance predict equipment A can be made and B can be bought . Then General and leaders can marry the two events by allowing a " lead time " for equipment to be in place for any eventuality .

omedAFG · « **Reply #16 on:** October 10, 2011, 01:54:47 AM »

"The Iranian fighter jet is similar to the US-built F/A-18, although its appearance looks similar to F-5E/F Tiger II."
Thats what they said about the Saeghe. And it can't be similar, the F-18 is bigger therefore, bigger rader, bigger engine, larger payload. I don't understand why they can't try and reverse engineer the F-14, mig19, or the su-24. Also in reality the F-5 and its iranian variants (saegeh and azarkash) have no chance against western jets (f-16, f-15, f-18, typhoon).
In my opinion iran is decades away from building a credible fighter, why not just buy some from china or russia.

Mr-Babak-S · « **Reply #17 on:** October 10, 2011, 02:43:01 PM »

"why not just buy some from china or russia."
Because then Iran will always be decades away from building what you call a credible fighter.

aryana · « **Reply #18 on:** October 10, 2011, 02:55:22 PM »

Quote from: Mr-Babak-S on October 10, 2011, 02:43:01 PM

"why not just buy some from china or russia."
Because then Iran will always be decades away from building what you call a credible fighter.

isnt iran already like that?

nomad · « **Reply #19 on:** October 10, 2011, 03:08:20 PM »

The likely attack or problem is from USA . It is likely that the US will not attack by land , but by sea . They will also for reasons of global security not be able to deploy 100 % of sea forces to PG region . My estimate is that as a defensive measure they will have to deploy 40% of naval forces to Korea and the Med sea . So what is the streangth of 60% of US navy ? It is approx 60% of :

Size : 333,642 active duty personnel[2]
286 ships[2]
3,700+ aircraft
11 Aircraft carriers
9 Amphibious assault ships
8 Amphibious transport docks
12 Dock landing ships
22 Cruisers
60 Destroyers
27 Frigates
75 Submarines

This means 6~7 carriers with total available aircraft of 2000 F-18 . Disregard assault ship , transport docks and landing ship . This leaves approx : 13 cruisers plus 36 destroyers plus 16 frigates plus 45 submarines . Now assume ( and this is the big assumption ) that no fighter aircraft are diverted to fight this force and that Iran is able to destroy or neutralise this force with it's own missile and ship and submarine force .The carriers will initially not be brought up , and opposing forces will most likely destroy each other ( in this scenario ) . In this case Iran will face a total of 2000 F-18 aircarft . In three waves of 600 planes .

Now assume that ( on a good day ) that 20% of this aircraft are neutralised by Iran's advanced SAM . This leaves a total of 1600 F-18 planes . Also assume that Iran's present airforce consist of 400 comparable aircraft that have a 1 : 1 kill against this force . This leaves 1200 aircraft short !

Now suppose Iran want to buy comparable aircraft from Russia with kill ratio of 1 : 1 . Say SU - 27 . Each one is about 15 Million USD ? Compare with making 6000 SA fighters with kill ratio of 5 : 1 and unknown cost . This is the consideration .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Us_navy

http://www.defencetalk.com/comparison-of-modern-fighter-aircraft-17086/

http://www.military-heat.com/19/russian-military-aircraft-sale-general-public/

kyuss · « **Reply #20 on:** October 10, 2011, 03:21:12 PM »

Russia is not even delivering the S-300s even though they had recieved partial payment and despite the fact that it is not covered by the UN arms embargo. What makes you think that they will sell Iran warplanes that are covered under the UN arms embargo? Same goes for China as well.

nomad · « **Reply #21 on:** October 10, 2011, 03:25:14 PM »

Yes it is all assuming they will sell . If they are not selling now then they are less likely to sell in the future and side with the winning side ! So there may be no choice in the matter !

WUDANGMASTER · « **Reply #22 on:** October 10, 2011, 04:58:05 PM »

One would think that everyone would be aware of this by now......

aryana · « **Reply #23 on:** October 10, 2011, 04:59:08 PM »

Quote from: kyuss on October 10, 2011, 03:21:12 PM

Russia is not even delivering the S-300s even though they had recieved partial payment and despite the fact that it is not covered by the UN arms embargo. What makes you think that they will sell Iran warplanes that are covered under the UN arms embargo? Same goes for China as well.

Thats why he asked.

nomad · « **Reply #24 on:** October 10, 2011, 07:22:26 PM »

I put the SU 27 as comparison with the cost , also in wiki SU 27 is most like F-18 . My guess is of 1 : 1 kill ratio . But I'll try to find a figure for a simulation if it exist . Now we may have a wish list , nobody really know what will happen .

Stranger things have happened in war time . So 1200 planes x 15 million USD = 18 billion USD . $:-\$

Now I used the kill ratio given in previous link together with published kill ratio of F5 vs F15 in red flag to arrive at kill ratio of F5 vs F18 . ( assuming SA to have performance of F5 ) . Otherwise if performance of SA is like F18 then kill ratio is 1 : 1 .

2 F5= 1 F15

0.8 F15 = 1 SU 35 > 1 F15 = 1 SU 35 / 0.8 = 1.2 SU 35

2 F5 = 1.2 SU 35 > 1 F5 = 1.2 SU 35 / 2 F5 = 0.6 SU 35

0.4 F18 = 1 SU 35 > 1 F18 = 1 SU 35 / 0.4 = 2.5 SU 35

1 SU 35 = 1 F18/ 2.5 > 1 F5 = 0.6 ( 1 F18 / 2.5 ) = 1 F18 / 4

4 F5 = 1 F18 > F5 vs F18 : 4 : 1 .

Now I said 5:1 before ! Because you still want an airforce afterwards ! The cost is more difficult to guess . But the most comparable aircraft that is in recent production is the A4 skyhawk or the AR - 4AR ( 1999 prices ) of £ 860,0000 USD . So assuming inflation rate of 10 % then double this to $ 1.8 million USD . So I said 2 million USD for SA fighter . The reason is that US was selling to friend and would not overcharge them . ( cost of production only ? ) . The only revised number is because of long war ( including 3 waves of attack of 600 planes ) vs short war of say six month of one wave of attack of 600 plane .

So the cost of 6000 SA fighter at 2 million dollars is 12 Billion dollars ! Cheaper then buying SU 27 !

Also cost of 1200 SA fighter at 2 million dollars is 2.4 Billion dollars !

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A-4_Skyhawk