Author Topic: Iranian fighter project aurora? (Read 1703 times)

Lur · « **on:** September 08, 2011, 08:16:30 AM »

Iran is undoubtedly a good step in the aviation industry has taken a prominent region.
their efforts to design and build the first prototype came out.
As the website Dyfns Rossini had written, designed and built aircraft with Iran and display it all surprised. Air Industries to build the aircraft has achieved a remarkable progress.
The display can be compared to multi-functional color displays used in America's F/A-22 aircraft. The Aurora aircraft with the MiG I-2000, Russia is considered comparable.
Twilight special design features to be noted that the impressive aerodynamics.
In the twilight of the first aircraft to take into account Iranian Astyls.
Designers of the future use of guided missiles, the Russians have in mind.The aircraft, which first made it years ago, that was another two years, with the military or education, service to the Air Force. Impressive lights on each step in the design and construction industries Air to bring honor and dignity of the Iranian

Iranian fighter aurora
Iran is undoubtedly a good step in the aviation industry has taken a prominent region.
their efforts to design and build the first prototype came out.
As the website Dyfns Rossini had written, designed and built aircraft with Iran and display it all surprised. Air Industries to build the aircraft has achieved a remarkable progress.
The display can be compared to multi-functional color displays used in America's F/A-22 aircraft. The Aurora aircraft with the MiG I-2000, Russia is considered comparable.
Twilight special design features to be noted that the impressive aerodynamics.
In the twilight of the first aircraft to take into account Iranian Astyls.
Designers of the future use of guided missiles, the Russians have in mind.The aircraft, which first made it years ago, has been two years, with the military or education, entered the Air Force. Impressive lights on each step in the design and construction industries Air to bring honor and dignity of the Iranian

Iranian aircraft, identity and national sovereignty

http://hesa.ir/ShowPage.aspx?page_=article&lang=1&tempname=newskin&sub=0&PageID=37&PageIDF=1
original script in Farsi

Ich · « **Reply #1 on:** September 08, 2011, 01:34:42 PM »

Hm, with an improved RD-33? What does it mean?

aryana · « **Reply #2 on:** September 08, 2011, 01:43:56 PM »

Quote from: Ich on September 08, 2011, 01:34:42 PM

Hm, with an improved RD-33? What does it mean?

probley with one of its variants. not the basic model.

Ich · « **Reply #3 on:** September 08, 2011, 01:47:45 PM »

Ha! Maybe 80 KN trust or more...scnr...

aryana · « **Reply #4 on:** September 08, 2011, 02:16:26 PM »

but russia wont sell iran rd-33

Ayyash · « **Reply #5 on:** September 08, 2011, 09:37:20 PM »

If I'm not mistaken, this sounds like a resurfacing of the Shafaq project. I almost feel like we should have crashing lightening with someone yelling "IT LIVES"

Lur · « **Reply #6 on:** September 08, 2011, 09:53:12 PM »

I was browsing through HESA website and I found this article,like finding treasure

Well at least we know that the Shafaq is not dead

aryana · « **Reply #7 on:** September 08, 2011, 10:53:28 PM »

Quote from: Lur on September 08, 2011, 09:53:12 PM

I was browsing through HESA website and I found this article,like finding treasure

Well at least we know that the Shafaq is not dead

yes but how are they going to get rd-33

Lur · « **Reply #8 on:** September 08, 2011, 11:03:09 PM »

The Chinese are making an improved RD-33 called the Guizhou WS-13 but I dont know if Iran could aquire it and its only good if Iran can produce the engine inside Iran
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guizhou_WS-13

AK · « **Reply #9 on:** September 09, 2011, 12:53:40 AM »

I hope it is back; however, the article is republished in Hesa and the original article was published on shahreshab.com, which is not a technical website! So lets wait for a better source.

Lur · « **Reply #10 on:** September 09, 2011, 01:14:41 AM »

Why would HESA put a fake article on their website?

Catsoo · « **Reply #11 on:** September 09, 2011, 01:17:44 AM »

Perhaps the most interesting information in the article is that it claims a prototype has been made and the type is to join IRIAF in a couple of years.

At this stage, taking the claims in the article as credible, the availability of the engine as RD-33 is of no consequence. The prototype can be made with current Iranian RD-33 from Mig-29 assets. Iran will have many possibilities to look for the engines in the future. What is important is to have a flyable prototype to proof the design and gain experience until later.

Catsoo

M-ATF · « **Reply #12 on:** September 09, 2011, 05:59:45 AM »

This is just a republishing an article, there are many articles on net, An Iranian website has republished russian article and then HESA has republieshed that Iranian article, a very unproffessional work by HESA.
I checked HESA site, unfortunately it is very unproffessional. you can find many republished news and article on it.

I never give any credit to this article.

Im sure russian websites has republished the information you can find on many persian sources about shafagh.

Eagle2009 · « **Reply #13 on:** September 11, 2011, 07:20:38 AM »

Catsoo,

I would generally agree it's plausible that Iran could spare a single engine or two for prototype purposes but attaining the needed engines for eventual production is going to be the problem.

First, as I already mentioned, original production RD-33s have very low service lives so if Iran tried to acquire RD-33s from ex-Soviet state stockpiles (and there are alot out there be assured), they may not be in the best shape to begin with and trying to find enough engines for a production run is hard to imagine without the Russians noticing (and they've gotten kind touchy lately about their engines showing up in places they had not be).

Second, one could try to acquire engines directly from Russia but the idea of Russia having that much of a hold on a military program is likely not ideal for Iran (just look how much trouble the Russians made when the JF-17/FC-1 was first put into low-level production).

Third, while the WS-13 is in theory an option, it's an assumption at the moment because little is known of the progress of the engine. There are rumors China has flight tested the engine on a FC-1 prototype but otherwise no one knows how close the engine is to production. Further, how willing the Chinese are to afront the sanctions against Iran on such a scale it not known either as China seems to decide such things on a case by case basis.

Catsoo · « **Reply #14 on:** September 11, 2011, 04:09:19 PM »

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I would generally agree it's plausible that Iran could spare a single engine or two for prototype purposes but attaining the needed engines for eventual production is going to be the problem.

Affirmative! However, development is a time consuming affair. There is very little harm done when initially using an alternative but a comparable engine. After all, there are a lot of other engineering aspects of the prototype that need to be tested in addition to the engine itself.

Just remember, the Russian PAK FA stealth prototype fighter is still flying without its intended engines simply because they are still in development stage.

Catsoo

aryana · « **Reply #15 on:** September 11, 2011, 07:10:35 PM »

shafagh has been in development for 20 years now.

M-ATF · « **Reply #16 on:** September 12, 2011, 04:56:45 AM »

before we want to build shafaq or any other aircraft we should have this capability to build engines and specially radars good and missiles.
if we could build good radars and missile we are capable upgrade our available aircrafts to relatively good levels.F-5's of singapore with new radars and AMRAAM missile which gives it BVR capability is a good example.

Manteghi head of Aviation Industries Orgnization recently indicated to this point in an Interview, reporter asked him do you have any programme for production a fighter jet other than Azarakhsh and Saeqeh,
he reponsed we have porgrammes to upgrades capabilites of these aircrafts.
reporter again asked him so you havent any programme for production of a new different fighter?
he responsed before we want to build higher class fighter jets we should have some certain capabilities. so first we should reach to level of those capabilities by upgrading current Saeqeh's to those capabilities.

mamdali · « **Reply #17 on:** September 12, 2011, 06:48:17 AM »

The way wars are and will be fought and how advanced missile and drone systems are currently developing, I strongly hope we will never see an advanced manned fighter from the IRI. Manned jet aricraft are already absolete. I'm pretty sure Iranian strategists will not spend any serious sums to develop 'advanced' manned craft. For those that believe advance manned aircraft are a sign of progress, they are mistaken. It is not.

The best bang for the buck for IRI is advancing it's missile retaliatory capabilities. Advanced unmanned craft drones would be great concurrent step. Upgrades of current and 'old' systems is also very important, in my opinion, as a means to learn to develop the above mentioned technologies.

Mamdali

Eagle2009 · « **Reply #18 on:** September 22, 2011, 08:53:28 AM »

Gents,

Lur may really be on to something here. I was just looking through the images of the last Iran Air Show (on their official website) and noticed in a series of images that the AIO section of the room has several posters that have an image of an aircraft in the back (like a CAD drawing of one), and it looks very much like the Shafagh concept!

For whatever, I can't save individual images from the website so I can only give you the image number. The best image I have found so far is image "43 of 118".

http://www.iran-airshow.com/en/photo-gallery?func=viewcategory&catid=1&startpage=2#category

IF I am right, wouldn't this be the first time the Shafagh concept has been shown off publically like this since the 2004 airshow and if so, why now?

Thoughts?

M-ATF · « **Reply #19 on:** September 22, 2011, 10:51:03 AM »

Eagle
I saw the image you indicated.
I think they have used Shafagh image as a decorative background image on all of their posters.
You can see it on background of all posters.

Catsoo · « **Reply #20 on:** September 22, 2011, 04:38:26 PM »

Eagle

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IF I am right, wouldn't this be the first time the Shafagh concept has been shown off publically like this since the 2004 airshow and if so, why now?

The answer is NO! 2005 and subsequent shows displayed Shafagh models. I say models because there were two types of Shafagh a single and a twin engine Shafagh II !

I personally don't read much into such displays. All they mean is that there is 'aspirations' to build something like Shafagh but the actual plans are a whole different ball game. Unlike what some people think here, Iran would publicize its new projects with concrete evidence in its most projects. There has not been anything credible on Shafagh.

I wholly agree with the Iranian commander who truthfully disclosed that there are some core technologies that have to be developed domestically before we see a domestic jet fighter. It is obvious he was referring to powerplant, radar, manufacturing technologies,avionics, fly by wire and other technologies to present a viable platform which will need massive funds to bring it to reality.

Catsoo

entezar · « **Reply #21 on:** September 27, 2011, 10:27:55 PM »

i wonder how many iran140s have been built by hesa by now.

they should really replace all aircraft in iran.

Nightstrike · « **Reply #22 on:** September 27, 2011, 10:59:58 PM »

Quote from: mamdali on September 12, 2011, 06:48:17 AM

The way wars are and will be fought and how advanced missile and drone systems are currently developing, I strongly hope we will never see an advanced manned fighter from the IRI. Manned jet aricraft are already absolete. I'm pretty sure Iranian strategists will not spend any serious sums to develop 'advanced' manned craft. For those that believe advance manned aircraft are a sign of progress, they are mistaken. It is not.

Stop kidding yourself.

aryana · « **Reply #23 on:** September 29, 2011, 01:30:09 PM »

either way iran has to develop jet engines.