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Re: Su-24
« Reply #26 on: March 04, 2011, 07:16:54 PM »
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Re: Su-24
« Reply #27 on: March 07, 2011, 04:49:19 AM »
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The Su-24 came up in another thread and it got me thinking about the possible future of Iran's Su-24 fleet and the possibilites of it expanding in near future. So here is my theory:

Now for the last decade or so the only aircraft contracts Syria has signed were for late model Mig-23s that supplement the force they imported in the 80's and many were actually moderately upgraded in Ukraine. Many asked why Syria did this since they could have bought some surplus MiG-29s instead (Ukraine has a huge inventory). The answer was quite simple. Syria has the ability to maintain large numbers of MiG-23s on their own and they consider them modern enough to deter the IAF to a degree whereas MiG-29 is more difficult to maintain. 

Now with the Israelis ordering the F-35, I believe its possible in the near future Syria will begin buying up more modern Soviet surplus to improve their forces (though within financial constraints) such as MiG-29s and Su-24. As such, Iran could agree to help Syria pay for these surplus aircraft (and the overhauls needed for them) and in return receive a fair number of airframes to help maintain their operational fleet (believed to be at least 24 of the 36 acquired from the USSR and Iraq) and even possibly expand it. Combine this with the large supply of Al-21F-3 engines literally lying around Iran (40 or so) and it hards to see how Iran's operational fleet will not expand in the future. The kind of arrangement could also involve a small number of MiG-29s.

The only problem I see is the MiG-23 contracts Syria signed with Belarus and Ukraine in recent years were pretty low-key whereas I am not so sure Mig-29 and Su-24 sales would be.

Then again their are reports from Tom Cooper that Iran and Syria Su-24 crews are well aquainted and are believed to have aided Libya in keeping its Su-24s at least somewhat operational (in exchange for a Su-24MR which Syria nor Iran operates) in recent years. So its possible these deals could still happen quietly and with a more pro-Russian government in charge in Ukraine I think the possibility is better now than ever.

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Re: Su-24
« Reply #28 on: March 07, 2011, 05:07:15 AM »
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I don't think it will happen. What use would they be? They'd easily be shot down if there is ever a war. They could be used to carry AShMs, but these can be land launched.

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Re: Su-24
« Reply #29 on: March 07, 2011, 06:49:16 AM »
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Actually I envision them being the near perfect replacement for Iran's F-4s when their airframes finally reach the point beyond overhaul.

More or less, the Su-24 is the perfect successor to the F-4E. It doesnt have the F-4 air to air capabilites but these abilites are largely non-existent today since the only BVR missile available for them is the AIM-7E who range is compared to a R-73 and has one of the most combat records ever for a BVR missile. So as time passes the F-4 was become a 'bombtruck' of sorts whereas the Su-24 was originally designed for just such a task and is naturallly better equipped for the task.

For example, the Su-24's avionics are designed for not only medium to high altitude strikes as the F-4 was designed but for terrain following strike missions under the enemy's radar, something a F-4E can not do safely.

Also the Su-24 is the primary platform for Iran's only Anti-radiation missile, the Kh-58. While there have been reports of the missile being tested on the F-4s, the Su-24 was designed to carry it (and its successor the Kh-31) and requires no modification or special equipment to do so. Also for PGM missions the Su-24 requires no external pods to carry both Laser Guided and TV guided weapons simultaneously which the F-4 does which take up pylons that could be used to carry ordance. In other words, the Su-24 can carry a full complement of PGMs whereas the F-4 has to carry an external guidance pod.

In the anti-shipping role the Su-24 is also still quite dangerous. Its ability to hug the surface (whether it be water or land) means it can take off at a good distance away from the target, "hit the deck" under most naval radar's noses (unless they have aircraft patrolling), pop up to fire a good ranged AshM and then quicky turn away to stay out of the enemy vessel's SAMs. In my opinion airborne AshMs platforms are much more flexible in their use than shore-based or ship-based platforms.

More importantly it seems pretty clear to me the IRIAF plans to not only keep them in service but expand their overall capabilities. Why else would they modify them so they could be re-fueled by American-built tankers? Why would they be in the news for having new equipment added to them (Night vision equipment and likely GPS/GLONASS as they become available), because they know it is a fine strike aircraft and the larger the fleet the more dangerous it is.

Not only that but if and when Iran develops its own Anti-radiation missile it is the perfect platform for it.

Long story short, the Su-24 was one of the best medium to long range strike aircraft every built during the Cold War and is still a feared aircraft to this day (as evidenced by the Russians not only keeping their fleet but modernizing them as well). And considerin how 'young' their airframes are and how much they could be upgraded electronically I see no reason NOT to try and expand their fleet in the future. Simply because their use against say the USAF and USN is somewhat limited (though it used properly they still pose a big threat) is no reason to simply keep the fleet at the strength it is now. They are other possible enemies in the area and the Su-24 is capable enough to deal with them, more so with just a few upgrades.

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Re: Su-24
« Reply #30 on: March 12, 2011, 12:37:21 PM »
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su-24 is not a successor to f-4 and it is the russian counter part to f-111
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Re: Su-24
« Reply #31 on: March 13, 2011, 12:17:17 AM »
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...To be honest that statement is completely irrelevant to what I was talking about. Clearly as the Su-24 was not designed as the F-4s successor since it was designed by the Soviets. But calling it the counterpart to the F-111 is a bit of a myth. THe Su-24 has inferior range and payload to the F-111 and is smaller. It is however the closest thing to an F-111 counterpart the Soviets ever developed.

I said in the IRIAF the Su-24 could be the successor to the F-4 as the airframes become too old to affordably overhaul and maintain. The Su-24 has similar enough performance and payload and more advanced avionics to serve as the perfect eventually successor to the F-4 when they are finally retired.

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Re: Su-24
« Reply #32 on: May 03, 2011, 08:46:06 AM »
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Here's an interesting image I just ran across..It is one of many I will post here in the next little bit. Notice the many training rounds including but not limited to:

1. Kh-29T and Kh-29L
2. Kh-25 (not sure if its TV or Laser)
3. Kh-58
4. KAB-500L or KAB-1500L (I believe the latter but not sure)
5. "Buddy" refuelling fuelling tank

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Re: Su-24
« Reply #33 on: June 12, 2011, 08:17:50 AM »
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my recognition guide for SU-24...


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Re: Su-24
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Re: Su-24
« Reply #35 on: June 16, 2011, 07:06:45 PM »
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The only thing I hate about Su-24s...Those damn wing fences! Just reminds me of 1st generation jet fighters, not a modern strike-bomber.

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Re: Su-24
« Reply #36 on: October 02, 2011, 07:44:37 PM »
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I have been thinking about the Su-24 more and more during this past few weeks.  Only if it could be re-manufactured with modern engines and composit materials for a lighter airframe, and updated avionics,  it would be a good and relatively inexpensive work horse.  Is it too far fetched for the Russians to build a new Su-24 to be a cheaper alternative to the Su-34?
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Re: Su-24
« Reply #37 on: January 18, 2012, 01:18:02 AM »
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IRIAF Su-24 Fencer at TAB-7 Shiraz (The video's owner prevents external embedding)
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Re: Su-24
« Reply #38 on: January 18, 2012, 07:55:00 AM »
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excellent strike fighter ... I would like to see Iran acquiring more from whatever controversial sources

Also to study along with F-4 if IRIAF is interested in incorporating strike capabilities in their future development of a fighter jet .

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Su-24
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Re: Su-24
« Reply #40 on: February 12, 2012, 07:12:58 PM »
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The only thing I hate about Su-24s...Those damn wing fences! Just reminds me of 1st generation jet fighters, not a modern strike-bomber.
This bomber is the most capable and one of the fastest bomber in the world on low altitude. This advantage is due to the switchable wings. This state of art bomber only comparable to the British Tornado and Russian SU-25. If this bomber was modernized to the M2 version it could be even compared to the Russian Su-34.
« Last Edit: February 12, 2012, 07:15:29 PM by mbulava »

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Su-24
« Reply #41 on: April 29, 2012, 10:21:41 AM »
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Re: Su-24
« Reply #42 on: April 29, 2012, 10:32:53 AM »
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excellent strike fighter ... I would like to see Iran acquiring more from whatever controversial sources

Also to study along with F-4 if IRIAF is interested in incorporating strike capabilities in their future development of a fighter jet .
Indeed, this aircraft can fulfill missions that were attributed to the F-14 and F-4. It clearly brought relief to the IRIAF otherwise they would have not ordered more of these aircraft. For comparison the IRIAF never ordered extra Mirage F-1 even if France proposed them a deal.

 

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