Author Topic: We will see a reformed Air Force soon (Read 2592 times)

M-ATF · « **on:** February 04, 2012, 06:56:02 AM »

Deputy of IRIAF Seyed Abdorrahim Musavi said Soon we will see a changed Air Force in Army.

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امیر موسوی در صبحگاه نیروی هوایی ارتش:
بزودی شاهد یک نیروی هوایی متحول‌ شده در ارتش خواهیم بود

خبرگزاری فارس: جانشین فرمانده کل ارتش با اشاره به توانمندی‌ها و سطح آمادگی‌های نیروهای مختلف به خصوص نیروی هوایی، گفت: انشاءالله به زودی با تدابیر فرمانده معظم کل قوا شاهد یک نیروی هوایی متحول شده در ارتش جمهوری اسلامی ایران خواهیم بود.
خبرگزاری فارس: بزودی شاهد یک نیروی هوایی متحول‌ شده در ارتش خواهیم بود

به گزارش خبرنگار دفاعی خبرگزاری فارس، امیر سیدعبدالرحیم موسوی جانشین فرمانده کل ارتش جمهوری اسلامی ایران صبح امروز در مراسم صبحگاه نیروی هوایی که به مناسبت سی وسومین سال پیروزی انقلاب و در آستانه ۱۹ بهمن روز نیروی هوایی با حضور فرماندهان این نیرو در مرکز آموزش‌های هوایی شهید خضرایی برگزار شد، ۲۲ بهمن را برگ زرینی در تاریخ ملت ایران دانست که در آن مردم با یاری امام رژیم طاغوت را در هم کوبیده و شعار نه شرقی نه غربی را برای اولین بار در دنیا به صدا درآوردند.

موسوی با اشاره به ۱۹ بهمن و بیعت تاریخی کارکنان نیروی هوایی با بنیانگذار انقلاب اسلامی در سال ۵۷ اظهار داشت: این روز نقش اساسی در تاریخ انقلاب داشت چرا که آمریکایی‌ها با سرمایه‌گذاری بر روی نیروی هوایی به این نیرو به عنوان آخرین نقطه امید خود نگاه می‌کردند و این بیعت تمام برنامه‌های آنها را به هم زد و این اتفاق در مقابل بغض و حیرت آمریکایی‌ها صورت گرفت.

موسوی با اشاره به توانمندی‌های امروز نیروی هوایی برای دفاع از جمهوری اسلامی ایران گفت: امروز این نیرو با علم و دانش و توکل به خدا پیش می‌رود و در تمام مأموریتها با آمادگی صد در صد به سوی اهداف از پیش تعیین شده حرکت کرده و آمادگی آن با سال‌های گذشته اصلا قابل مقایسه نیست.

جانشین فرمانده کل ارتش خاطرنشان کرد: بنابر آنچه پیش بینی شده با تدابیر رهبر و فرمانده معظم کل قوا انشاءالله در آینده‌ای نزدیک شاهد یک نیروی هوایی متحول شده خواهیم بود.

موسوی تصریح کرد: این حرکت، یک حرکت همپای روند پیشرفت کشور در همه عرصه‌ها و نیروی هوایی الهی ارتش فداکار و تمام نیروهای مسلح به همراه همه ملت ایران مصمم هستند تا آرمان‌های انقلاب را علیرغم فشارها و تحریمها محقق کرده و از چالشهابا موفقیت عبور کنند.

وی ادامه داد: این اصطلاح نخ‌نما شده به اصطلاح "تمام گزینه‌ها روی میز" امروز هیچ تأثیر نداشته و آن را سردمداران کاخ سفید نیز می‌دانند که نمی‌توانند با این مسائل جلوی پیشرفت ایران را بگیرند.

جانشین فرمانده کل ارتش خطاب به دشمنان انقلاب اسلامی گفت: ما مرد جنگیم و این را قبلا نیز ثابت کردیم و اگر دشمن بخواهد اقدامی بکند این موضوع را عبرت‌آموزتر از گذشته به آنها ثابت خواهیم کرد.

موسوی با بیان اینکه ما برای همه بشریت و انسان‌های حق طلب و آزادیخواه، صلح، امنیت و آرامش و استقلال را می‌خواهیم گفت: این تنها مستکبران و زیاده‌خواهان هستند که باید از قدرت جمهوری اسلامی ایران بترسند.

وی تصریح کرد: رژیم خبیث نامشروع و منفور صهیونیست باید از قدرت ایران حراس داشته باشد چرا که قدرت ایران اسلامی برای آنها کابوس شب‌های آنهایی است که سیاه ترین بخش‌های تاریخ معاصر را ساخته‌اند.

امیر موسوی در پایان سخنانش تصریح کرد: آیا حضور این کابوس، مهر "باطل شد" را در اوراق جعلی هویت آنها خواهد زد.

http://www.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=13901115000161

Catsoo · « **Reply #1 on:** February 04, 2012, 01:14:08 PM »

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وی تصریح کرد: رژیم خبیث نامشروع و منفور صهیونیست باید از قدرت ایران حراس داشته باشد چرا که قدرت ایران اسلامی برای آنها کابوس شب‌های آنهایی است که سیاه ترین بخش‌های تاریخ معاصر را ساخته‌اند

That is a fact! I hope such ides are mentioned more in public.

Catsoo

Nonbarbari · « **Reply #2 on:** February 04, 2012, 02:52:20 PM »

Can someone translate or do a short briefing please..

M-ATF · « **Reply #3 on:** February 04, 2012, 03:04:35 PM »

Quote from: Nonbarbari on February 04, 2012, 02:52:20 PM

Can someone translate or do a short briefing please..

There is no important technical information about IRIAF in his remarks. He talks about politics, Islamic revolution and generally about Air Force. Most important point in his remarks is title of article . He says: "By Supreme Leader measures we will see a changed Air Force in Army soon".

Usually when supreme leader directly enters to a project, that project will be accomplished faster.
It is said some projects like "Jamaran" and "Bavar373" were launched due to direct order of Supreme Leader.

Nonbarbari · « **Reply #4 on:** February 04, 2012, 03:23:38 PM »

Thanx M-ATF jan...

One can say same thing about Iranian navy.. After that the leaders stated the importance of the Navy, both IRGCN and IRIN become a regional naval force&power..

ahriman46 · « **Reply #5 on:** February 04, 2012, 07:05:41 PM »

i wana see some of these soon VVV

M-ATF · « **Reply #6 on:** February 04, 2012, 07:44:43 PM »

Personally I believe we can't see any major changes till at least next 5 years, reform and change in IRIAF needs long time.

the8march · « **Reply #7 on:** February 04, 2012, 08:01:21 PM »

Are there some plans to buy some new russian jets maybe?

Pasdar · « **Reply #8 on:** February 04, 2012, 08:09:23 PM »

Certainly hope not. Either our own jets, or no jets.

YMJ · « **Reply #9 on:** February 04, 2012, 08:13:23 PM »

I think we will start producing our own fighter jets soon. We have all the technological capabilities, all we need now is heavy investment in it by the government.

What i always wonder is if they could be producing jets secretly, but i always conclude it would have been seen by now.

Emirzaad · « **Reply #10 on:** February 04, 2012, 08:37:33 PM »

with current rise in defense budget , now i m almost certain that this year is the year of the air-force ... Iran cant buy fighter jets from abroad so what i expect to see ...

1- Unveiling of real Saeqeh
2- Some heavier version of Karrar UCAV
3- AEW version iran-140
4- Possibly 3rd party deal (through Syria) for something from Russia or Ukraine
5- Air force version of Shahed 285
6- Possibly some A2A BVR missile

Nonbarbari · « **Reply #11 on:** February 04, 2012, 08:42:47 PM »

Quote from: Pasdar on February 04, 2012, 08:09:23 PM

Certainly hope not. Either our own jets, or no jets.

Agree with you.. But I still think buying some jets, maybe from china is kind of good idea. So we can study them not for revers engineering direct but rather know more about other jets so we can build better ones..

ahriman46 · « **Reply #12 on:** February 04, 2012, 08:43:30 PM »

Quote from: YMJ on February 04, 2012, 08:13:23 PM

I think we will start producing our own fighter jets soon. We have all the technological capabilities, all we need now is heavy investment in it by the government.

What i always wonder is if they could be producing jets secretly, but i always conclude it would have been seen by now.

shafagh project was left out for Iran in 2004 and thats when it was unveiled.. i think they have been working on it since 2002 but after ten years i think it should be ready for test or production..

it says 2013 in wikipedia.

the8march · « **Reply #13 on:** February 04, 2012, 08:55:25 PM »

Quote from: Pasdar on February 04, 2012, 08:09:23 PM

Certainly hope not. Either our own jets, or no jets.

I hope too they will make a new jet.. However talking about " soon " makes this option hard... I mean even if they show us a prototype now, testing it and producing a fleet would take long years...

Thats why i think they might go for getting some chinese or russian jets ... Or cooperate with china or russia to produce the jets as India did... Just questions

Emirzaad · « **Reply #14 on:** February 04, 2012, 09:47:14 PM »

Quote from: the8march on February 04, 2012, 08:55:25 PM

I hope too they will make a new jet.. However talking about " soon " makes this option hard... I mean even if they show us a prototype now, testing it and producing a fleet would take long years...

Thats why i think they might go for getting some chinese or russian jets ... Or cooperate with china or Russia to produce the jets as India did... Just questions

Iran cant buy fighter aircraft from anywhere due to sanctions ... Russians backed out from giving S-300 even with payment made from Iran , let alone buying fighter jets

What I can see happening here is that Russia supplies iran with additional RD-33's and Topaz or Zhuk radars through syria or in any other way ... while Iran uses them for its own production ... Saeqeh platform can be modified easily and HESA has the capacity ... making a BVR fighter armed with R-77 / 73 / 27 along with domestic Sejjil A2A ...will make our skies safe ...

Harry_Thomason · « **Reply #15 on:** February 04, 2012, 10:48:14 PM »

New generation of aircrafts takes a very long time to design/manufacture. Plus they require heavy investments, which could be spend better elsewhere at this moment. If war is incoming soon, tens of billions invested in advanced missiles and SAM's are far better than some future fighters which will still be several generations behind US, and in more limited numbers.

That said, if Russia or more likely China transfer technology of some advanced fighters, then after some adaptation (for Iran's situation and also masking the source of tech., China would hate to be in the hot seat for breaking UN resolution), Iran could have advanced and much more capable fighters much faster.

Emirzaad · « **Reply #16 on:** February 04, 2012, 11:45:15 PM »

Cant Iran adapt F-4 design ? ... Iran has been flying F-4 for more than anyone else . Has upgraded them , has experience on J-79 . With excellent physical performance of phantom , If modern radars like zhuk ME or AE along with avionics suite from Russia can be gained then it will result into a very suitable fighter for IRIAF needs .

maydayfire · « **Reply #17 on:** February 05, 2012, 02:52:47 AM »

In my opinion any reform in the IRIAF will be of an unconventional nature. I dont think we will see conventional fighter jets and will probably see more stealthy drones, missiles and advanced cyberspace and counter-cyberspace capabilities.

The era of F-22s and Su-khoi fighters claiming air dominance is over not only for Iran, but for the whole world. The world is going in the direction of unmanned aerial vehicles with great cyberspace capabilities and avionics.

M-ATF · « **Reply #18 on:** February 05, 2012, 04:24:54 AM »

I think first thing that can start and accelerate reform in Air Force is mass production of the prototype of turbofan engine that was unveiled last year in the exhibition that was launched for supreme leader.

One of our friends in IMF, talked about two Iranian made turbofan based J-85 and TF-30 , unfortunately after that we didn't see him again in this forum and he removed his explanation about those projects too.

mamdali · « **Reply #19 on:** February 05, 2012, 04:39:07 AM »

Quote from: maydayfire on February 05, 2012, 02:52:47 AM

In my opinion any reform in the IRIAF will be of an unconventional nature. I dont think we will see conventional fighter jets and will probably see more stealthy drones, missiles and advanced cyberspace and counter-cyberspace capabilities.

The era of F-22s and Su-khoi fighters claiming air dominance is over not only for Iran, but for the whole world. The world is going in the direction of unmanned aerial vehicles with great cyberspace capabilities and avionics.

Right on. Any investment in combat craft with a human in it is a waste. I assume (and hope) this 'tahavol' is indeed of an unconventional nature examples which you describe.

Mamdali

lulldapull · « **Reply #20 on:** February 05, 2012, 12:16:07 PM »

Emirzaad, khaeli right on the money. RD33 , R-77and Zhuk via Syria is the way to go to put on the Saeqeh.

If Khamenei has given the order then it becomes a priority.

Without a good airforce we are exposed to aggression.

Quote from: Emirzaad on February 04, 2012, 09:47:14 PM

Iran cant buy fighter aircraft from anywhere due to sanctions ... Russians backed out from giving S-300 even with payment made from Iran , let alone buying fighter jets

What I can see happening here is that Russia supplies iran with additional RD-33's and Topaz or Zhuk radars through syria or in any other way ... while Iran uses them for its own production ... Saeqeh platform can be modified easily and HESA has the capacity ... making a BVR fighter armed with R-77 / 73 / 27 along with domestic Sejjil A2A ...will make our skies safe ...

M-ATF · « **Reply #21 on:** February 05, 2012, 12:25:05 PM »

Quote from: lulldapull on February 05, 2012, 12:16:07 PM

Emirzaad, khaeli right on the money. RD33 , R-77and Zhuk via Syria is the way to go to put on the Saeqeh.

If Khamenei has given the order then it becomes a priority.

Without a good airforce we are exposed to aggression.

RD-33 isn't suitable for Saeqeh airframe, compare diameter of RD-33 with diameter of J-85. Saeqeh needs a new turbofan based on J-85 with performance similar to Honeywell F125. If Iran could build a turbofan based J-85 with 25-30 kn dry thrust with the minimum increase in size, It can be perfect for Saeqeh.
If supreme leader enters to a project, surely it is domestic not buying from other countries.

lulldapull · « **Reply #22 on:** February 05, 2012, 12:40:27 PM »

M-ATF, the priority for Iran right now is to mate an engine with the massive performance and ruggedness of an engine like the RD33 which Iran has considerable experience with or better yet reverse engineer the ultimate engine like the Al-31F from Syrian Flankers onto the Saeqeh airframe.

Believe me if Iran does just that, and mass produces this new beast........we have done it!

I am sure many people are thinking along these lines because a newer Zhuk or the N011M copied from Syrian Flankers and mass produced along with the R73/ 77 combi is the best thing Iran can do right now. Start producing a dozen a month of this new Saeqeh!

This is what it will take to resurrect the IRIAF, and throw all the Zamon-e Shah junk in the toilet.

Can you imagine these Gulfy's shit their pants then?...........

Quote from: M-ATF on February 05, 2012, 12:25:05 PM

RD-33 isn't suitable for Saeqeh airframe, compare diameter of RD-33 with diameter of J-85. Saeqeh needs a new turbofan based on J-85 with performance similar to Honeywell F125. If Iran could build a turbofan based J-85 with 25-30 kn dry thrust with the least increase in size, It can be perfect for Saeqeh.
If supreme leader enters to a project, surely it is domestic not buying from other countries.

parthenon · « **Reply #23 on:** February 05, 2012, 06:31:33 PM »

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...Any investment in combat craft with a human in it is a waste...

'Nuff said!

Emirzaad · « **Reply #24 on:** February 05, 2012, 09:26:43 PM »

Quote from: lulldapull on February 05, 2012, 12:16:07 PM

Emirzaad, khaeli right on the money. RD33 , R-77and Zhuk via Syria is the way to go to put on the Saeqeh.

If Khamenei has given the order then it becomes a priority.

Without a good airforce we are exposed to aggression.

Saeqeh is under naval aviation i guess right now , wiki says navy is acquiring saeqeh . If Noor, Kowsar , Mehrab , Nasr or Zafar ASCM can be wired on it then , having them in no. around 50-60 gives huge boost to strike capability of Naroieh Dariyeh ... Kahlije fars is not a big sea that needs long range strike fighters , with a fleet of around 35 Submarines , 30 surface Vessels ( Frigates + Corvettes + FAC) , 200 Missile Boats , some 60 Saeqehs armed with above mentioned ASCMs , with support of Anti ship ballistic missiles ... enemy will think twice before doing something stupid with Iran .

Coming back to topic , Only possible choice of an airframe that can accommodate Klimov turbofans and Zhuk ME radars (e.g.) seems to be based upon F-4 phantom ...

whatever aircraft IRIAF needs to acquire / create today should be multirole and for that it should be large enough for carrying both A2A and A2G weaponry , with long raneg since iran has a large area to cover ( we have a very big country ) . Phantom based airframe seems best to me for the job , give it klimovs 33 or even 93 , Zhuk ME , and Mig-29M2 style weapon suite and we will have a strong fighter in the sky ... easy route would be to Use locally made J-79s , and just ask Russia to deliver the modern Topaz or Zhuk radars ( ME or AE if possible), Mig-35 caliber Avionics suite and alot of A2A weaponry ( R77 , R73 , R27 ) .... while not to mention that Physical Performance of Phantom , Speed , Climb rate , Range , Payload are excellent and better than most of the air-crafts flying around ...

believe me , such a fighter in numbers around 100-120 will seriously mean something .....