Iran Military Forum

If Iran does not spend the billions, not millions right now to get Flankers from Russia, and quickly train its pilots to fly them, the junk that the IRIAF currently flies will last 2 weeks against a NATO or USAF attack.

According to what exactly? Your ass'umption?

I don't fully disagree, but if it was a piece of cake like you'r making it out to be, it would have been carried out already. They wouldn't wait for Iran to acquire more and more and more AD, ASHM, AA, etc

Remember Iran used helicopters during the Iran-Iraq war to take out planes, they mounted AA's on heli's and took out planes.

Do not underestimate the IRIAF.

No its no assumption. A massive and very well coordinated strike will begin with hundreds of ALCM's, Tomahawks, and JDAM's raining down on all IRIAF airbases, and IRGC bases, totally rendering them useless.

When the air-defences have been  suppressed, and damaged, then hundreds of F-16's, F-15's and B-1's will fly in largely unchallenged, and mop up everythig that remains.

It's not a joke. Iran's air defences are good if you were back in 1970's or 80's, but severely lacking in preventing a massive USAF or IDF assault.

You have to remember that at the first sign of enemy activity, the first thing an attacking aircraft does is to jettison its ordnance! So if you have no airforce, then you don't have much of a chance to respond properly.

Also you shouldn't compare Iraq's third world airforce to that of the USAF or the IDF.......and I hate to say it, even the UAE's. The F-16N's are 4++ generatio, and the most advanced in the world as far as F-16's are concerned.

According to what exactly? Your ass'umption?

I don't fully disagree, but if it was a piece of cake like you'r making it out to be, it would have been carried out already. They wouldn't wait for Iran to acquire more and more and more AD, ASHM, AA, etc

Remember Iran used helicopters during the Iran-Iraq war to take out planes, they mounted AA's on heli's and took out planes.

Do not underestimate the IRIAF.

lluldapull,

If what your saying is true, how come the US hasn't started their bombing campaign? If they can completely render Irans AD system, IRIAF, then essentially they can continue to bomb Iran to the stone ages.

If they could do it, they would have already. This is how i think of it.

What your saying is not completely true. They do have the more advanced fighters, but fighting on home turf makes a huge difference, skill and bravery of the pilots make a huge difference. Ground AD support makes a huge difference.

You really think they can take out Iran's AD and IRIAF with ALCM's, Tomahawks, and JDAM's? Then why haven't they? What are they waiting for to exactly? For their economy to completely unravel and then?

The truth is, they can't. Its not a video game. They can not take out everything within minutes, hours, days or even weeks and the retaliation that they would have to endeur would essentially cut their hand off from the middle east once and for all.

Their ships in the Persian Gulf, all of them would be sunk, diego garcia would be targeted by Iranian ICBM (which people think Iran doesn't have, but NK does, pfffffff)

The reality is, no one knows IR Irans true military capability, they hide it and downgrade it. What they hype up, isn't necessarily what they are actually working on. Its more of a psychological tactic.

If Iranian AA missiles and radars can do damage, all you need is a skilled pilot in an F4 with ground AD support to be able to defend.

Maybe i'm being overly optimistic, but the logic of things are if the US could have taken IR defences out, what was stopping them?

they dont want to start war now.

right... because they cant.

they can indeed.

Maybe after they pay their 15,000,000,000,000 debt.

nato destroyed libyan defences in a couple days and same with iraq

 Libya and Iraq can not be compared to Iran.

I'm not assuming Iran is hiding advanced weaponry, i'm certain of it.

they can indeed.

They can *start* a war. 

They can't win it.

YMJ with all due respect you are being over-optimistic to say that F4s could put up a serious defence in this day and age.

It's true that any fixed wing aircraft fitted with modern AAMs can do the job of defending, that *is true* however for a proper defence modern aircraft are required.

It's too bad Iran didn't receive Flankers before the sanctions.

In any case we will have to sit this out for a while and see.

regards

YMJ with all due respect you are being over-optimistic to say that F4s could put up a serious defence in this day and age.

It's true that any fixed wing aircraft fitted with modern AAMs can do the job of defending, that *is true* however for a proper defence modern aircraft are required.

It's too bad Iran didn't receive Flankers before the sanctions.

In any case we will have to sit this out for a while and see.

regards

I' am being optimistic, but you should also understand that Iranian pilots are something else. Iranians are generally absolutely fearless, if you really want to understand to what point you should come to Iran and see for yourself in the streets (the driving alone).

But the main reason i'm optimistic is that Iranian pilots are known to take out enemy fighter jets with helicopters! Therefore i believe in a war scenario they will utilize whatever means they have to keep enemy jets/bombers out of Iranian air space.

If Iran was to be attacked by the USA/Israhell, it would respond by attacking US bases, and even possibly all its allies bases in the ME region, including Israels Dimona reactor with advanced strategic missiles such as the Shahab series, all three variants 1/2, and 3 and Iran's most advanced missile the Fajr-3 (MIRV). With its Multiple Independent Reentry Vehicle capability gives it the ability of avoiding anti-missile Surface-to-air missiles, also the sejjil, Ghadr-110, and Ashoura missiles. Iran's navy would respond by sealing off the Strait of Hormuz, which would wreak havoc on global oil markets. All enemy warships and merchant vessels would be targeted by Iran's mobile coastal anti-ship missiles. More than 40 percent of the world’s internationally traded oil, around 17 million barrels per day, passes through the strait. That includes more than fifty tankers daily, all under the watchful eyes of Iranian surveillance assets, including those on the island of Hormuz, together with four other Iranian islands (Lesser Tunb, Abu Musa, Bani Forur, and Sirri), are particularly important because they lie near the route that all vessels entering or leaving the Gulf use. Iran would also deploy its 17 extremely quiet diesel-electric coastal mini submarines to close off the strait of Hormuz by laying mines and conducting anti-shipping attacks. On April 14, 1988, the USS Samuel B. Roberts (FFG-58) struck an Iranian M-08/39 mine in the central Persian Gulf shipping lane, wounding 10 sailors. Then after the submarine after laying all its mines would descend to the maximum depth of the Persian Gulf, the gulf is overall very shallow, with a maximum depth of 90 meters and an average depth of 50 meters. there they would just wait silently for enemy ships to pass by and be engaged by its 2x533-millimeter torpedo tubes capable of firing the Hoot torpedo which is an Iranian supercavitation high-speed missile torpedo that travels at approximately 360 km/h, several times faster than a conventional torpedo. The Hoot is reverse engineered from the Russian VA-111 Shkval supercavitation torpedo which travels at the same speed. The U.S. Navy has a variety of means at its disposal to detect submerged submarines, but in shallow coastal waters, high ambient noise levels degrade the performance of sonar, making the job of detecting, locating, and identifying submarines very difficult. A war game conducted by the U.S. military in 2002, called Millennium Challenge, revealed a serious fleet vulnerability to well-coordinated attacks by ballisticand cruise missiles and swarming speedboats in littoral waters, causing “the worst [simulated] naval defeat since Pearl Harbor.” This response by Iran would result in the USA economy collapsing and forcing the USA to the negotiating table. So please do not underestimate Iran's capability to defend herself and to inflict heavy casualties on the so called "Undefeatable" USA military.

you high .
what do you mean.

Aryana.
Where's your pride for Iran?

it is not about pride.
it is fact.

Is it a fact that Iran cannot win a war with the US?
Do you know this with certainty?

The fact is, Iran has more resources at its disposal than the US does if their government is so stupid as to attack Iran in Iran's own home. The US will not win a conventional war against Iran.

Secondly, the US isn't independent enough to be capable of simply nuking all the major cities like they did with Japan.
The US is a consumer based economy highly dependent upon cooperation with nations from all over the Earth including the middle east to keep its economy afloat, it does not exist in a vacuum. If the US chooses something so foolish as to use even a single nuke against an Iranian city, while that certainly wouldn't even win it a war against Iran, it would ensure that the US would no longer have any of the support it depends upon from the rest of the world. The US would loose far more than Iran in the long run from such an action. All bets are off at that point. Because other countries rely on a level of mutual trust that they won't be backstabbed when convenient.

The only way the US can come out on top is by pushing this covert war and asymmetrical warfare of their own devising, which is exactly what they are doing.