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« Reply #75 on: July 08, 2011, 07:37:19 PM »
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TEHRAN-E EMROOZ in a commentary says alarm bells are ringing as drought has affected 75 percent of the country’s lands. This is compounded with the gradual drying up of Lake Urmia, complete drying up of Zayanderud River in Isfahan Province and heavy dust storms which are now hitting half the country. The writer also points to Lake Hamun, in the southeastern province of Sistan-Baluchistan, that has almost dried up due to years of drought and it has caused serious problems for the locals. Bakhtegan Lake in Fars province is also drying up and the forest area in Northern provinces has decreased and the level of pollution in some parts of the Caspian Sea has reached 10 times greater than a safe level. That is why all official and unofficial state bodies should study the environmental condition in the country and even declare a state of emergency. If a solution is not found to the problem it may leave irreparable damage to the environment and the country in the future.


http://www.tehrantimes.com/Index_view.asp?code=243802




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« Reply #76 on: August 29, 2011, 03:24:43 AM »
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In lieu of the news of demonstrations for protection of Uromieh/Rezaieh lake!


I am with the protesters on this one. Unfortunately environment has been on the bottom of the list since the revolution. The general lack of knowledge of Iranians in environmental protection is finally showing its disastrous effects. Protection of environment is no longer a luxury but a priority for every nation.

The alarming destruction of Uromieh/Rezaieh lake will have other distastes followed as observed by the appearance of lake Ural in ex-Soviet union, it will cause irreversible damages with unimaginable costs not only for the people who live near by but rather for the whole country. I hope the demonstrations bring the government to pay a lot more serious attention to Iran's environment and its protection from landscape to wildlife.

I am a strong believer in this statement "When animals go so goes the humanity"! That is the law of nature.


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« Reply #77 on: August 29, 2011, 10:30:39 AM »
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Iranians have a third world mentality when it comes to things like safety and environment. There's so much plastic lying around its unbelievable... I tried to tell my family not to throw shit out of their car window but they looked at me like I was crazy.

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« Reply #78 on: August 30, 2011, 01:21:33 AM »
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Iranians have a third world mentality when it comes to things like safety and environment. There's so much plastic lying around its unbelievable... I tried to tell my family not to throw shit out of their car window but they looked at me like I was crazy.

Unfortunately! To make the matter worse, consecutive governments did not realize this vital national issue to establish educational programs mandatory at schools and through media to change people's attitude.


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« Reply #79 on: August 30, 2011, 03:13:54 AM »
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I don't think is fair to say that Iran is not doing anything about the environment (drought) situation in Iran.
Here is an intresting read about this topic.
 
archive.unu.edu/env/workshops/iran-1/04-Pakparvar%20Paper.doc
 
There are times like these where the resolve of a Nation is shown clearly to the world. Oh this great Nation of Iran together with its proud citizens showed the world that when the Silent Majority gets rattled the world better pay attention:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ls4I37lQrw&feature=player_embedded#at=42  2011

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbYqckFvUJI&feature=player_embedded   2010

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This brings back sooooo much memory and tears to my eyes.
http://www.iranclip.com/player/169

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« Reply #80 on: August 30, 2011, 06:51:27 AM »
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I don't think is fair to say that Iran is not doing anything about the environment (drought) situation in Iran.
Here is an intresting read about this topic.
 
archive.unu.edu/env/workshops/iran-1/04-Pakparvar%20Paper.doc
 
Im with Izi on this one... I dont think the government are just ignoring anything that concerns the environment... I believe the Iranian government is one of the only government in the world to be sincere! Especially when it comes to wild life...
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« Reply #81 on: September 05, 2011, 01:46:00 PM »
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The Brown bear was shut and killed instead of using tranquilizer


پیش بینی مهر درست از آب درآمد / خرس قهوه ای کشته شد!


سراب - خبرگزاری مهر: پیش بینی خبرگزاری مهر مبنی بر احتمال تکرار تراژدی کشته شدن خرس دانشگاه‌آزاد تبریز در سراب درست از آب درآمد و خرس قهوه ای محاصره شده به جای استفاده از گلوله بیهوشی، سرانجام با شلیک تفنگ شکاری کشته شد.

گزارش خبرنگار مهر در سراب حاکی است، یک خرس قهوه ای صبح امروز از اقدام تحریک آمیز اهالی روستاهای "ایدرشان" و "هریس" از توابع سراب که در مسیر گذر خرس های بومی هستند به دلیل ضرب و شتم توسط اهالی منطقه، خشمگین شده و به سوی مردم حمله ور شد.

بر اثر این حادثه، چهار روستایی سراب مصدوم شد که یکی از حادثه دیدگان به دلیل شدت جراحات به بیمارستان امام رضا(ع) تبریز منتقل شده و مصدومان دیگر در بیمارستان سراب تحت مداوا قرار گرفته اند.

این خرس خشمگین پس از حادثه یاد شده توسط ماموران تعقیب و در اطراف محل حادثه به محاصره نیروهای انتظامی و ماموران محیط زیست درآمد.

درحالیکه محیط بانان در انتظار رسیدن گلوله های بیهوش کننده از تبریز بودند، به گفته مسئولان محل، شکارچیان بومی "در اقدامی خودسرانه" با شلیک هشت گلوله این خرس بخت برگشته را از پای درآوردند!

با اینحال اما عده ای نیز از عدم توانایی شلیک گلوله های بیهوش کننده توسط ماموران خبر داده و دلیل کشتن خرس یاد شده را ترس از عواقب احتمالی خشم حیوان خواندند.

محمدرضا مسعود، کارشناس مسئول حیات وحش و آبزیان اداره کل حفاظت محیط زیست آذربایجان شرقی در این خصوص به خبرنگار مهر گفت: به محض اعلام خبر محاصره خرس قهوه ای یاد شده در ساعت 11.30 امروز، اکیپ ویژه ای با تجهیزات کافی به محل اعزام شد و پس از پنج ساعت به مکان مورد نظر رسید.

وی در عین حال افزود: محیط بانان ما آماده بودند با تجهیزات ویژه خرس یاد شده را بیهوش کرده و آن را از محل خارج کنند اما اقدامات نامناسب مردم محل و ایجاد سر و صدای بی مورد، حیوان را دوباره خشمگین کرده و مجددا حمله ور شد.

مسعود ادامه داد: در این هنگام،‌ شکارچیان بومی بدون هماهنگی به صورت خودسرانه با شلیک هشت گلوله، این حادثه را با کشته شدن خرس مذکور به پایان رساندند!

این کارشناس برجسته حیات وحش با بیان اینکه زیستگاه خرس قهوه ای بومی سراب در دامنه های کوه بزقوش است افزود: این حیوان به دلیل تخریب مراتع توسط ساکنان بومی، به جستجوی غذاهایی مانند میوه باغات و ... نزدیک روستاها ظاهر می شود اما در صورت رفتار آرام و عدم تحریک توسط مردم هیچ خطری ندارد.

وی اکیدا به مردم بومی و روستاییان توصیه کرد در صورت مشاهده این حیوان هرگز اقدامات تحریک آمیز انجام ندهند چراکه این حیوان هرگز در وضعیت معمولی به سوی انسان حمله ور نمی شود.

موضوع مهم در این خصوص اینکه خرس یاد شده با تحریک بومیان منطقه خشمگین شده و به آنان حمله کرده بود و تا پیش از آن چنین حوادثی در شهرستان سراب سابقه نداشت.

با اینحال هشدار خبرگزاری مهر در خصوص احتمال تکرار حادثه مشابه در دانشگاه آزاد تبریز به واقعیت پیوست.

یادآور می شود نظیر چنین اتفاقی حدود پنج سال قبل در تبریز رخ داد که در پی آن، خرس قهوه ای سرگردان از دانشگاه آزاد تبریز سر درآورده بود.

در آن سال اما به دلیل نبود تجهیزات کافی، ‌به جای شلیک گلوله بیهوش کننده، تیر خلاص تفنگی شکاری باعث کشته شدن حیوان شد. اتفاقی که در محافل مختلف سرو صدای بسیاری به راه انداخت و موجب اعتراض دوستداران محیط زیست واقع شد.

از آن پس، سازمان محیط زیست در تلاش بوده تا مراکز خود را به تجهیزات مدرن مجهز کند.

گرچه گلوله های بیهوش کننده پس از 5 ساعت انتظار به سراب رسید اما اقدامات خودسرانه موجب کشته شدن این حیوان بخت برگشته گردید
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« Reply #82 on: September 05, 2011, 08:09:05 PM »
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The drought Iran is facing needs to be studied. I'm not sure exactly why Iran is going through a drought for the last 10-15 years.

My mom who used to live in qom tells me the river there use to flood at times and they had to put sand bags because of the flooding, now the river which runs through the city has been made into a parking lot because there is no water that flows through it.

I don't think it's fair to blame Iran's government for what is happening in nature and is out of the hand of the government and at time's has been caused by first world nations industrialization.

Also take into account that for the last 30 years this region has been in war and this could also have a huge effect on the climate.
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« Reply #83 on: September 05, 2011, 08:41:06 PM »
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According the the article Izi posted :


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Pilot project of flood spreading system

Pilot area is a 6000 ha sandy expanse located on the debris cone of the Bisheh Zard river in Gareh Bygone plain . The mean annual precipitation is about 150 mm,90 percent of which occurs between October and April. The mean annual evapotranspiration is estimated to be 2860 mm. There is a hot summer and cold winter temperature.

Eight flood water spreading system, ranging from 25 to 365 ha in area with a total coverage of 1365 ha, were designed and constructed between 1983 and 1987 on the intermediate zone of debris cone (Figure 5). The procedure used are a modification of those outlined by Quilty (1972). The systems serve as sedimentation basins and infiltration ponds for the artificial recharge of groundwater; and also as experimental plots for investigation range improvement, moving sand stabilization, afforestation, etc. (Kowsar, 1992).

Transformation of a desolate, sandy expanse into a verdant horizon is the most obvious result of the flood water spreading pilot effort. The expansion of irrigated fields in what was previously a water-short area is conveniencing evidence of the effectiveness of the measure. Increasing the amount of groundwater, decreasing of its salinity, prevention the flood hazards, is the other benefits. From Jan. 1983 through Feb. 1988 there were 21 floods of varying intensity and duration. It is estimated that a total of 38 million m3   diverted by the system and 25 million m3 were directed to reaching the groundwater under unimproved conditions, less than 10 percent of precipitation finds its way into the groundwater aquifers. In pilot area, grazing capacity has became 10 times and yield of farmlands reaches to two times more than the past.

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"The project has been performed by A.Kowsar and its group of cooperators. In 1996 recognized as the best watershed management project in the world by UNDP."

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« Reply #84 on: September 06, 2011, 03:57:57 AM »
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YMJ,

Your claim based the drought factor could be true. The problem is if what you claim is true then IRI has done a very poor job to convey the factual reports on this issue to Iranians. However, the concerns are real and the problem will be a trajedy if not addressed ASAP effecting millions of Iranians.

Listen to the following interview in podcast format:

http://www.theworld.org/?powerpress_pinw=85074-podcast



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« Reply #85 on: September 06, 2011, 04:03:00 AM »
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Related photos of the Brown bear news :

http://www.mehrnews.com/fa/newsdetail.aspx?NewsID=1400329


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« Reply #86 on: September 06, 2011, 06:47:23 AM »
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YMJ,

Your claim based the drought factor could be true. The problem is if what you claim is true then IRI has done a very poor job to convey the factual reports on this issue to Iranians. However, the concerns are real and the problem will be a trajedy if not addressed ASAP effecting millions of Iranians.

Catsoo jaan,

The IRI has always talked about the drought that Iran is facing and almost everyone understands that Iran is going through a drought.

What people want is that the IRI do something about this drought, but its a natural factor. All you can do when your going through a drought, is to preserve water for human usage.

Even in the podcast report, the professor is saying a portion of the water should be allowed to go to lake urumia, but during a drought, in type that Iran is facing, this would not be done in any country which has gone through a population explosion and needs this fresh water for many different reasons.

What I have failed to see from anyone is the rate at which the lake is drying off, in terms of volume per year. Notice i care more about the volume per year than surface area per year.

All these ''environmentalists'' fail to give any sort of information on the rate that it is drying off and how much could/should be allowed to flow into the lake from the dams, or aras river.

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« Reply #87 on: September 06, 2011, 11:14:07 AM »
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Dr. Dimwit (YMJ) also considers dams and large scale agriculture to be great for the ecology. Do not bother reading this "experts" post and maybe he will leave.

YMJ, you are a pest.

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« Reply #88 on: September 06, 2011, 11:58:53 AM »
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Dr. Dimwit (YMJ) also considers dams and large scale agriculture to be great for the ecology. Do not bother reading this "experts" post and maybe he will leave.

YMJ, you are a pest.

In regard to agriculture, most of Iranian land is arid, if you create agriculture, or some sort of green space on the level Iranian farmers are capable of, it would change the climate away from an arid situation and would be beneficial for the overall ecosystem.

Dams in Iran's case is not a bad thing, since a lot of the mountains in Iran are arid, except for where the river, or Dams are located.

I've traveled enough in Iran to know the climate and the reason why dams are constructed in order to save much needed water for industry, agriculture, creation of green space and human usage.

The Iranian population has doubled in Iran, while the amount of fresh drinking water has shrunk. Therefore Iranian government has been making dams to save the water which falls in mountainous. regions.

Being arrogant and attacking me, instead of my points show's your level of insecurity not mine.

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« Reply #89 on: September 06, 2011, 12:31:02 PM »
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For the record lol

Dr. Dimwit (YMJ) was clueless about these basic facts:

1. Agriculture is bad for the environment

2. Dams are bad for the environment

3. Environmental issues are highly politicized


This guy is a joker and he should be banned.

 

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« Reply #90 on: September 06, 2011, 12:33:26 PM »
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Also, as long as you behave like an illiterate animal, I will keep attacking your person. This shit has only started and I will escalate it until I get banned.

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« Reply #91 on: September 06, 2011, 01:32:49 PM »
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Also, as long as you behave like an illiterate animal, I will keep attacking your person. This shit has only started and I will escalate it until I get banned.

If that's what you wish, you getting banned would be great since your contribution is not helpful.

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« Reply #92 on: September 06, 2011, 01:37:50 PM »
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1. Agriculture is bad for the environment


If you turn arid land into an agricultural land, this is positive for the environment.

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2. Dams are bad for the environment

Areas which are facing drought, and the little rain water that they get flows into salt water beds, dams are useful in preserving the water which has been accumulated.

Dams are bad for areas where there are lots of vegetation that depend on high amount of river flow and where areas which are green get submerged in the reservoir.

This is not the case for Iran and the need for a water reservoir and the preservation of fresh water is essential, especially for the population growth which has occur'd.

3. Environmental issues are highly politicized


That is why nothing has been done in regards to the environment, from America to Canada to Europe and Asia.

In the 1st world countries, you never saw any step towards environmentalism during their industrialization. They have a lot to be blamed for, in regards to the drought and bad weather systems that are developing throughout the world. 

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« Reply #93 on: September 06, 2011, 01:44:11 PM »
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You still fail to understand the most fundamental of points.

What is good for human activity is not always good for the local ecology.

Building a dam and increasing the agriculture is great for humans, but it destroys the local ecology. Even an arid desert has a unique ecology. Agriculture decreases the biodiversity, one of the greater harms done by man towards the planet.

You really have no idea what you are talking about yet you rant on and on like some sort of expert! So far the only expertise you show sign of is making an ass of yourself.

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« Reply #94 on: September 06, 2011, 10:50:07 PM »
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Building a dam and increasing the agriculture is great for humans, but it destroys the local ecology.

I'm telling you that the lands are arid and therefore building a dam and watering it and allowing for agriculture, like trees, walnut trees, apple trees, etc would actually be beneficial for the ecology.

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What is good for human activity is not always good for the local ecology.

Yes. But in arid conditions like Iran, human activity can actually turn arid land into fertile land.

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Even an arid desert has a unique ecology. Agriculture decreases the biodiversity, one of the greater harms done by man towards the planet.

That's true for places which have lots of green space and that green space is torn down, to make a corn farm.

But in Iran, where the arid land sometimes support almost no life forms, by having agriculture, different forms of it mind you, like walnut trees, almond trees, apple trees, etc, you can help the local ecology which can feed from it.


You really have no idea what you are talking about yet you rant on and on like some sort of expert! So far the only expertise you show sign of is making an ass of yourself.

I'm not. I never claimed to be, but i have studied sciences and know enough to carry on a discussion about it. You just want to shut down the discussion, through arrogance, rather than substantial and scientific facts, especially in regards to Iran.

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« Reply #95 on: September 07, 2011, 06:32:45 AM »
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lol you are so stupid.

Dearest expert, this is how it is:

The local ecology of a place, even if it is an arid desert, is always ruined by human activity that involves the construction of dams and expansion agriculture. The unique biodiversity disappears  and is replaced. This is harmful.

How can you rant on and on about ecology and yet not understand this simple concept? Are stubborn or simply thick?

Let me repeat: biodiversity decreases with agriculture. What is green and pretty does not always equal benefits for the ecosystem. Even an arid desert has unique wildlife that disappears  with human expansion.

I have now written this in a way that even a child, or an illiterate like you, should understand.

Please, for the love of God, just google "agriculture + biodiversity" and read for yourself before you make an ass out of yourself.
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« Reply #96 on: September 07, 2011, 09:42:40 AM »
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lol you are so stupid.

 :-\ This is what you have to say, since you don't have much else to say. Your arrogance doesn't add to anything you say, rather it shows you have NOTHING to say.



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The local ecology of a place, even if it is an arid desert, is always ruined by human activity that involves the construction of dams and expansion agriculture. The unique biodiversity disappears  and is replaced. This is harmful.

It seems like you don't understand what a desert is.

Life forms which live in deserts are much less, than a place which can sustain many different life forms because of the vegetation that is there.

Humans can change the ecology of an arid land, in order to cooler the temperature in that area which in turn would allow for more precipitation to occur.

With more vegetation, more life forms can sustain life there, than in arid conditions where there is
nothing for life forms to feed off of.

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How can you rant on and on about ecology and yet not understand this simple concept? Are stubborn or simply thick?

If it was THAT simple, then people wouldn't go to university to get degrees in ecology.

It's funny, since you probably have never even obtained a life sciences credit in highschool, or university, yet you bash others which have.

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Let me repeat: biodiversity decreases with agriculture. What is green and pretty does not always equal benefits for the ecosystem. Even an arid desert has unique wildlife that disappears  with human expansion.

Again, biodiversity would decrease when you have a forest and that forest is torn down to make a corn field, for instance.

But when you have arid conditions and you grow vegetation, yes your changing the ecology, but its to suit the needs of the country. Life forms will be able to thrive more in areas where there is something to feed off of, rather than arid land where there is nothing.

Yes deserts do have unique life forms, but we are not short of arid land and deserts, but we are short of vegetation and fresh water.


I have now written this in a way that even a child, or an illiterate like you, should understand.

Please, for the love of God, just google "agriculture + biodiversity" and read for yourself before you make an ass out of yourself.

Agriculture in arid conditions, is beneficial for the area. If you are able to grow vegetation and sustain it, it will lower the temperature of the area, attract more life forms there and be overall better for the country and the ecosystem.

Having deserts is not the greatest thing and we are not short of deserts and arid land. What we need to do is sustain vegetative life forms to lower the temperature of certain areas, and this will help for allowing for precipitation to occur.

The water that leaves Iran due to evaporation, maybe, can fall back if we are able to lower the temperature of certain areas by growing more vegetation and trees.

You don't attack the points i made, you just repeat what you've Google and have never even studied one bit.

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« Reply #97 on: September 07, 2011, 09:47:11 AM »
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Again, don't twist my words by quoting them out of context. Even a desert has its ecology and the natural environment of Iran should not be tampered with. Building dams and increasing agriculture in areas where the natural circumstances are nonexistent will be bad for the ecology. I agree that dams and agriculture are good for human expansion but not good for the environment. I challenge you to find me proof stating otherwise. 

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« Reply #98 on: September 07, 2011, 09:53:07 AM »
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Again, don't twist my words by quoting them out of context. Even a desert has its ecology and the natural environment of Iran should not be tampered with.

I have not taken your quotes out of context, i'm just replying to them point by point.

Yes desert has its own ecology and not a good one to sustain life, especially human life. Changing arid lands and deserts to lands which hold vegetation and therefore able to support more life forms, is beneficial.

Building dams and increasing agriculture in areas where the natural circumstances are nonexistent will be bad for the ecology. I agree that dams and agriculture are good for human expansion but not good for the environment. I challenge you to find me proof stating otherwise. 

Most things i read in regards to dams, was for areas which have completely different conditions than Iran.

When you have arid lands, increasing the agriculture and turning the arid land into fruitful land with all sorts of vegetation, ranging from trees, to bushes, to sand bushes (which actually keep the sand from creating sand storms), is a good thing.

In the Iran-Qom highway (now called the Persian gulf highway), where the land is arid and pretty much a desert, they had planted bushes to not allow for the sand to come into the highway and create sand storms.

This is beneficial, it might not be agriculture. But most Iranians that do agriculture also plant bushes, trees, flowers, etc. This is beneficial for the overall climate, lowering the temperature, it would be beneficial for life forms, they have something to feed off of and for humans as well.

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« Reply #99 on: September 07, 2011, 09:57:30 AM »
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Unless you provide me proof of dams and agriculture being beneficial for the natural environment of Iran, or areas similar to Iran, you claims are worth very little. If you want to make lengthy post regarding facts, at least provide a shred of evidence. Claiming that dams and agriculture is good for the environment is very controversial and needs backing up.

Planting trees along the road side was not what we talked about and thus irrelevant.
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