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very very sad seeing people think like this! do you really think they are Iranian? I doubt it!
Many on that site are not Iranians. However, there are quite a lot of losers from Iranian origin in the world.. those who hold most grudge are the shahollahis, MKO and the baha'i. I suddenly remembered something I wanted to say before but I forgot to mention. When I was searching the zionist occupied territories (for military targets) I did not see one church, what I did see (without even searching for it) many baha'i temples... seriously, they seem very active there.

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u think its from Indian origin?
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No wonder we're still depending the British to return our ancient artifacts when we have so called Iranians like Namdar Yazdi of the Iranian Library in London (interviewed in the video posted above) selling out his nation for a quick reward! He's the very definition of a  House Nigger, a domesticated Slave!


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In Cyrus Cylinder row, Iran wants $300K

The Islamic Republic has decided to seek compensation from the British Museum for refusing to lend the Cyrus Cylinder to be displayed in the National Museum of Iran.

"The National Museum of Iran has spent about USD 300,000 for the exhibition and we will demand our loss to be compensated for by the British Museum," Head of Iran's Cultural Heritage, Handicrafts and Tourism Organization (ICHTO) Hamid Baqai told ISNA.

The 2,500-year-old clay cylinder was to be temporarily handed over to Iran in September. The British Museum however did not honor its pledge citing developments after Iran's election as a pretext.

Iran, therefore, cut all relations and mutual cooperation with the British Museum as it believes the relocation of the Cyrus Cylinder was turned into a political issue by the British side.

The Cyrus cylinder, considered the world's first charter of human rights, is inscribed in Babylonian cuneiform with an account by Cyrus II, king of Persia (559-530 BC).

http://www.presstv.com/detail.aspx?id=123712&sectionid=351020105

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They are too busy with more important things like painting face green and being bounties... lol
Alot of us brothers and sisters reside here brother, i think the people you are referring to are the bache soosools that spend there days clubbing and picking up girls outside the mosque
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Pasdar khan, you should have the forum automatically change the words British, English and  Anglo-Saxon to "Worm"...please?

This issue seriously pisses me off.  

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I am worried about Iran demanding compensation from the UK, they might pay up and then claim it was a payment for the Cylinder.

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...how many here are willing to do something about it though?

We have quite a lot of members here, some more active than others, but all in all we should have enough people to organize and take action.


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We should support groups like the NIAC that are actually doing something about it:

http://www.niacouncil.org/site/PageServer?pagename=Resources_persepolis

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Pasdar khan, you should have the forum automatically change the words British, English and  Anglo-Saxon to "Worm"...please?

This issue seriously pisses me off.
Now there's a thought. Some friends, might find it offensive though.

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I am worried about Iran demanding compensation from the UK, they might pay up and then claim it was a payment for the Cylinder.
As long as you put on writing what its for, they can't claim anything can they. Unless they make it a publicity stunt.

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By Farah Nayeri - Sep 10, 2010

The Cyrus Cylinder, an ancient Iranian artifact dated about 539-530 B.C. Source: British Museum via Bloomberg
The British Museum said it will lend Iran an ancient artifact known as the Cyrus Cylinder for a period of four months, allowing the treasure to be featured in an exhibition opening Sept. 12 at the National Museum of Iran.

“You could almost say that the Cyrus Cylinder is a history of the Middle East in one object,” said Neil MacGregor, director of the British Museum, in an e-mailed media release. “Objects are uniquely able to speak across time and space, and this object must be shared as widely as possible.”

The Cylinder, a 539-530 B.C. artifact dating back to the reign of Cyrus the Great, is inscribed in Babylonian cuneiform, and has been described as the world’s earliest charter of human rights. It has been at the core of a dispute with Iran’s Cultural Heritage, Handicraft and Tourism Organization, which cut ties with the museum in February for delaying the loan.

The British Museum originally promised to loan the Cylinder to Iran after its 2005-6 exhibition, “Forgotten Empire: The World of Ancient Persia.” In October 2009, following widespread protests in June 2009 against the re-election of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the museum said that it was monitoring the Iranian political situation to make sure the loan was made in the best possible circumstances.

The loan was further delayed in January 2010 when the British Museum said it discovered, in its own collections, inscriptions similar to the Cylinder’s on two pieces of cuneiform tablets from Babylonia.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-09-10/british-museum-to-lend-disputed-ancient-artifact-to-iran-for-four-months.html

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I would never return it to the british, what is ours is ours
"By focusing our anger and sorrow, we are finally in a position where victory is within our grasp, and once again, our most cherished nation will flourish. Victory is the greatest tribute we can pay those who sacrifice their lives for us! Rise, our people, Rise! Take your sorrow, and turn it into anger! Zeon thirsts for the strength of its people! SIEG ZEON!"

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If Iran actually returns this I will no longer support the Islamic Republic.

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If Iran actually returns this I will no longer support the Islamic Republic.
The 'reformists' will be all over us to send it back, lol. However, who cares what they think anymore.

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The Cyrus cylinder is not a cylinder of human rights, anyone familiar with Achaemenid history knows that it is one of the most hierarchial and paternal era in Iran's history. It was an era of "Have" and "Have nots". Cyrus is also not necessarily Zoroastrian, he is commonly argued to have been Mazdai. The cylinder refers to a certain strata of society, Der Spiegel argued it was for the Clerks. The popularity (and obsession) of this cylinder goes back to the Pahlavi era when it tried to use Zoroastrian history as a catalyst for its nationalistic agenda. It also resulted in the Shah pushing the then UN secretary general to use ithe cylinder at the UN as a human rights decleration, whilst little was known back then about its definitive contents. Either way, it belongs to Iran.
Last Edit: September 11, 2010, 09:40:12 AM by Bolbol

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The Cyrus cylinder is not a cylinder of human rights, anyone familiar with Achaemenid history knows that it is one of the most hierarchial and paternal era in Iran's history. It was an era of "Have" and "Have nots". Cyrus is also not necessarily Zoroastrian, he is commonly argued to have been Mazdai. The cylinder refers to a certain strata of society, Der Spiegel argued it was for the Clerks. The popularity (and obsession) of this cylinder goes back to the Pahlavi era when it tried to use Zoroastrian history as a catalyst for its nationalistic agenda. It also resulted in the Shah pushing the then UN secretary general to use ithe cylinder at the UN as a human rights decleration, whilst little was known back then about its definitive contents. Either way, it belongs to Iran.

Its mostly a matter of principle and the object itself is of secondary nature. We are truly belittling ourselves by borrowing what belongs to us.

It would be great if they made a replica out of dried cow dung and returned it instead. That would be sort of meeting them halfway lol...

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The Cyrus Cylinder, Wikipedia and Iran conspiracies

The British Museum has finally lived up to its promise  to lend the Cyrus Cylinder to Iran for display.

An artifact documenting the conquest of Babylon by the Persian king Cyrus the Great in 539 BCE, the cylinder has been in the possession of the British Museum since its discovery in 1879.

Presumably because they feared another Elgin Marbles scenario, the museum board last year reneged on the promise of a loan, even though Iran made no demands for permanent ownership of the piece. It seems those worries have now been laid to rest.

Now to my mind, this particular dispute pales in comparison to the story of the Persepolis Tablets. Those are artifacts that truly do belong to Iran but which are being held hostage at (not by) the University of Chicago, where they were supposed to be analysed and preserved. Instead they have become one of the more egregious examples of American litigation culture gone mad.

But that's a different story for another day.

The Cyrus Cylinder story has thrown up a much more interesting scenario - an apparent tussle of opinions in the shadowy world of  hard drives and "independent" editors that comprise the Wikipedia industry.

Here's the background:

For many years the Cyrus Cylinder has been referred to as "the world's first human rights charter".  The British Museum describes the relic thus:

"It records that, aided by the god Marduk, Cyrus captured Babylon without a struggle, restored shrines dedicated to different gods, and repatriated deported peoples who had been brought to Babylon. It was this decree that allowed the Jews to return to Jerusalem and rebuild The Temple. Because of these enlightened acts, which were rare in antiquity, the Cylinder has acquired a special resonance, and is valued by people all around the world as a symbol of tolerance and respect for different peoples and different faiths."

in May 2007, Wikipedia's own description of the cylinder said:

"The Cyrus Cylinder has been described as the world’s first charter of human rights, and it was translated into all official U.N. languages in 1971. A replica of the cylinder is kept at the United Nations Headquarters in New York City".


But that was before Iran's presidential election last year, and the subsequent ratcheting-up of anti-Iranian activities.

Wikipedia's current entry tells an entirely different story.

Now we see a strenuous attempt to portray the cylinder as nothing more than the propaganda tool of an aggressive invader, and a complete dismissal of the suggestion that the cylinder, or Cyrus' actions, represent concern for human rights or any kind of enlightened intent.  

Gone also are the eariler references to Cyrus' immense reputation throughout the ancient world, as documented in the Old Testament and by the people of Babylon themselves.

And if you take a look at the page detailing the history of edits made to the page, you'll see a large number of re-writes during 2009/2010.

Of course, it's perfectly possible that I'm seeing a conspiracy where there really is none. The language and actions of people who lived two and a half thousand years ago are always going to be open to differing interpretations, and every Wikipedia page is a haphazard jumble of diverse thoughts from unconnected people, isn't it? But how to explain the sudden and radical reversal in the consensus of Wikipedia editors?

 I can't help but wonder whether, just maybe, this could be the much more deliberate product of a specific interest group attempting to denigrate all things Iranian, however tangential their relationship to the present Islamic Republic.

http://blogs.aljazeera.net/middle-east/2010/09/11/cyrus-cylinder-wikipedia-and-iran-conspiracies

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^ any thoughts on the above post? do you guys thing there is an actual conspiracy against irans history and culture? i for one do.

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I don't believe in the idea that people would attack the cylinder just after the election in 2009, simply because people in the west try to use Iran's history to inspire it against the regime.. but that's not the point

No one would try to attack the islamic republic by undermining pre-islamic persian history.


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are we sure the english even sent Iran the original copy? I mean this is the engish we are talking about

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are we sure the english even sent Iran the original copy? I mean this is the engish we are talking about
This is one of the things that came up in my mind.

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our only hope...



and he seems to have an idea

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President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad opened Cyrus Cylinder exhibit at the National Museum of Iran on Sunday.

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad lauds the Cyrus Cylinder as the embodiment of human values and a cultural heritage for all humanity.


Speaking at a ceremony held on Sunday to unveil the Cyrus Cylinder in Tehran, Ahmadinejad said the artifact has been an invaluable yardstick to evaluate the performance of politicians and rulers throughout history.

The Achaemenid relic, on loan from the British Museum, will be displayed at Iran's National Museum for the first time in the past 40 years.

The cylinder was escorted by a delegation headed by the British Museum keeper of the Middle East collections, John Curtis, to the exhibition site where it will be showcased for the next four months.

One of the principles stipulated in the historical piece is that it repudiates war as a means to sustain one's rule, the president said.

The Cylinder reads that everyone is entitled to freedom of thought and choice and all individuals should pay respect to one another, he added.

The historical charter also underscores the necessity of fighting oppression, defending the oppressed, respecting human dignity, and recognizing human rights, the president continued.

Ahmadinejad emphasized that the Cyrus Cylinder bears testimony to the fact that the Iranian nation has always been the flag-bearer of justice, devotion and human values throughout history.

“Talking about Iran is not talking about a geographical entity or race,” Ahmadinejad said, adding, “Talking about Iran is tantamount to talking about culture, human values, justice, love and sacrifice.”

The Cyrus Cylinder, which is considered the world's first charter of human rights, is inscribed in Babylonian cuneiform with an account by Cyrus II, king of Persia (559-530 BCE).

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http://www.presstv.ir/detail/142251.html

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