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« on: February 24, 2012, 06:36:27 PM »
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Warning, Zionist source...This is history in the making..We're witnessing the redrawing of the Middle East map..Hamas should change their name to Fatah...

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4194394,00.html

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« Reply #1 on: February 24, 2012, 06:58:30 PM »
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This is really disappointing. All the problems that Iran and Syria face now is due to support Palestinians.
These Palestinians don't know that countries like Syria and Iran could and can easily deal with US and west on them?
It is enough to recognize Israel then everything will change .

I think Its better to Iran leave them to themselves and don't pay more costs due to supporting Palestinians.
What a disappointing world.
 
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« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2012, 07:08:51 PM »
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This is really disappointing. All the problems that Iran and Syria face now is due to support Palestinians.
These Palestinians don't know that countries like Syria and Iran could and can easily deal with US and west on them?
It is enough to recognize Israel then everything will change .

I think Its better to Iran leave them to themselves and don't pay more costs due to supporting Palestinians.
What a disappointing world.

It doesn't have to be disappointing..In fact, it's a good thing..Let them go on their own and learn for themselves..Maybe Iran helping them makes them take things for granted..The money the Qataris dangled in front of them was too hard to refuse...If you noticed, the Egyptian MB cut gas,oil to the Gaza strip to put pressure on Hamas..It seems to have worked..They can strike a deal with the Zionist to further oppress their own people.

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« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2012, 07:25:46 PM »
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Since today personally I'm against supporting Palestinians by our Iranian leaders. When they don't want it, themselves (both their leaders and people) , Why we should insist and pay the costs of supporting Idea of liberating Palestine.

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« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2012, 07:37:20 PM »
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I guess I am coming to believe that everyone has a price. I guess we should let them live under the zionist rule if this is what they want.

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« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2012, 07:50:17 PM »
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I guess I am coming to believe that everyone has a price. I guess we should let them live under the zionist rule if this is what they want.

That's what I'm saying..Iran's support for them have made them complacent..They've now grown horns and think they can survive on their own..Best for Iran to stay back and let them embrace their new PGCC dictators..Iran must focus on Iraq, Syria and Lebanon..Leave Hamas to the Qataris..I have a feeling this has now become a sectarian war..The Al-Saud reactionary family are vigorously pushing for a sectarian war in the region..The badly need a distraction from their problems at home..

But mark this, Hamas will never be forgiven by Palestinians..Haniya has shown his true colors..With allies this this, you don't even need fake enemies..They're psychologically weak and easily manipulated. Now that the West has openly proclaimed their support to the armed gangs, Syria must take off the gloves and level Homs..Evacuate all women and children and bomb that shot-hole till there's nothing left in it..
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« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2012, 07:54:40 PM »
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The policy shift deprives Assad of one of his few remaining Sunni Muslim supporters in the Arab world and deepens his international isolation. It was announced in Hamas speeches at Friday prayers in Cairo and a rally in the Gaza Strip.

Hamas went public after nearly a year of equivocating as Assad's army, largely led by fellow members of the president's Alawite sect, has crushed mainly Sunni protesters and rebels.

In a Middle East split along sectarian lines between Shi'ite and Sunni Islam, the public abandonment of Assad casts immediate questions over Hamas's future ties with its principal backer Iran, which has stuck by its ally Assad, as well as with Iran's fellow Shi'ite allies in Lebanon's Hezbollah movement.

"I salute all the nations of the Arab Spring and I salute the heroic people of Syria who are striving for freedom, democracy and reform," Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh, visiting Egypt from the Gaza Strip, told thousands of Friday worshippers at Cairo's al-Azhar mosque.

"We are marching towards Syria, with millions of martyrs," chanted worshippers at al-Azhar, home to one of the Sunni world's highest seats of learning. "No Hezbollah and no Iran.

"The Syrian revolution is an Arab revolution."


Contemporary political rivalries have exacerbated tensions that date back centuries between Sunnis - the vast majority of Arabs - and Shi'ites, who form substantial Arab populations, notably in Lebanon and Iraq, and who dominate in non-Arab Iran.

Hamas and Hezbollah, confronting Israel on its southwestern and northern borders, have long had a strategic alliance against the Jewish state, despite opposing positions on the sectarian divide. Both have fought wars with Israel in the past six years.

But as the Sunni-Shi'ite split in the Middle East deepens, Hamas appears to have cast its lot with the powerful, Egypt-based Sunni Muslims of the Muslim Brotherhood, whose star has been in the ascendant since the Arab Spring revolts last year.

HAMAS MAKES ITS CHOICE

"This is considered a big step in the direction of cutting ties with Syria," said Hany al-Masri, a Palestinian political commentator. Damascus might now opt to formally expel Hamas's exile headquarters from Syria, he told Reuters.

Banned by deposed Egyptian leader Hosni Mubarak, the Muslim Brotherhood has moved to the centre of public life. It is the ideological parent of Hamas, which was founded 25 years ago among the Palestinians, the majority of whom are Sunni Muslims.

Shi'ite Hezbollah still supports the Assad family, from the minority Alawite sect, an offshoot of Shi'ite Islam, which has maintained authoritarian rule over Syria's Sunni majority for four decades but now may have its back to the wall.

Hamas, however, has been deeply embarrassed among Palestinians by its association with Assad, as the death toll in his crackdown on opponents has risen into the thousands.

In Gaza, senior Hamas member Salah al-Bardaweel addressed thousands of supporters at a rally in Khan Younis refugee camp, sending "a message to the peoples who have not been liberated yet, those free peoples who are still bleeding every day."

"The hearts of the Palestinian people bleed with every drop of bloodshed in Syria," Bardaweel said. "No political considerations will make us turn a blind eye to what is happening on the soil of Syria."

ANTI-ISRAEL AXIS WEAKENED

The divorce between Hamas and Damascus had been coming for months. The Palestinian group had angered Assad last year when it refused a request to hold public rallies in Palestinian refugee camps in Syria in support of his government.

Hamas's exile political leader Khaled Meshaal and his associates quietly quit their headquarters in Damascus and have stayed away from Syria for months now, although Hamas tried to deny their absence had anything to do with the revolt.

Haniyeh visited Iran earlier this month on a mission to shore up ties with the power that has provided Hamas with money and weapons to fight Israel. It is not clear what the outcome of his visit has been, though the tone of the latest Hamas comments is hardly compatible with continued warm relations with Tehran.

Rallies in favor of Syria's Sunni majority have been rare in the coastal enclave but on Friday it seemed the Muslim rulers of the territory had decided to break the silence.

"Nations do not get defeated. They do not retreat and they do not get broken. We are on your side and on the side of all free peoples," said Bardaweel.

"God is Greatest," the crowd chanted. "Victory to the people of Syria."

Hamas-Hezbollah relations have been good in the past. But Hamas did not attack Israel when it was fighting Hezbollah in 2006 and Hezbollah did not join in when Israel mounted a major offensive against Hamas in Gaza in the winter of 2008-2009.

Anything that divides Hamas and Hezbollah is likely to be welcomed by Israel, which has been watching warily recent moves by Hamas to reconcile differences with its Palestinian rivals in Fatah, the movement of President Mahmoud Abbas.

There was no immediate Israeli comment on Friday's speeches.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/02/24/us-syria-palestinians-idUSTRE81N1CC20120224

When a horse becomes wild, one should reduce its oats. Let the "free" army of Syria pay their wages from now on.n
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« Reply #7 on: February 24, 2012, 07:55:18 PM »
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Not everyting is what it seems my friends.  Let's not forget he was in Tehran only a few days ago.   I'm not going to judge for now.  I'll sit back and watch what unfolds.

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« Reply #8 on: February 24, 2012, 07:57:10 PM »
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if this news is true (which i doubt, even if true, has any practical implications anyway), then dont be surprised tomorrow that they recognize israel as well.
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« Reply #9 on: February 24, 2012, 08:07:21 PM »
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if this news is true (which i doubt, even if true, has any practical implications anyway), then dont be surprised tomorrow that they recognize israel as well.

Bro, lets just sit back and watch.....Hamas has essentially bet on Assad's fall..What happen if Assad doesn't "fall"??? Will they now fight the Zionists and Syria? lol

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« Reply #10 on: February 24, 2012, 08:27:46 PM »
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As I know Iran is providing Hamas with sophisticated weapon and training it's fighters... So this is strange.

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« Reply #11 on: February 24, 2012, 08:28:09 PM »
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Let's not believe everything that comes from Zionists and American media, I believe they have exploited the quietism of Hamas and either way they will be deemed guilty if they now

1) Say he didn't say it (why are you supporting the evil Syrian regime)
2) Say he did say it (why are you siding with the Zionists)

Hamas has no interest in commenting on Syria, it would mean their demise, and that they will be fed to the Ziocon lion.





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« Reply #12 on: February 24, 2012, 10:04:02 PM »
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Iet them say and do what they want

An Important point: our support of the palestinian cause is that of principle ... We dont want any thing from them ... We will stand with them even if they hurt us .. On purpose or not ... We will stand for palestine even if they dont want it any more... Palestine has to return... This is a historical battle that will not be lost Inchallah.

The results of this battle will revive the real Islam ... Real islam and not fake ones ... Turkey and the Sunnis gave up this dear land... As Sayid Mosa Sadr said, this land will only be liberated by the true believers... Shia and their allies will get this land back... Alone as it seems

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« Reply #13 on: February 25, 2012, 12:50:23 AM »
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Not everyting is what it seems my friends.  Let's not forget he was in Tehran only a few days ago.   I'm not going to judge for now.  I'll sit back and watch what unfolds.

Mamdali

Exactly! there's much more to this under the surface.  i think the syrian and iranian intel services are not that naive and incompetent. if hamas turns his back on syria and iran, do you think for one second this guy could survive, after all he spent so many years in syria with politcal backing from iran and syria not to mention large sums of money...hmmmm. i too will wait to judge for now and sit back and watch what unfolds.

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« Reply #14 on: February 25, 2012, 03:37:38 AM »
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This is rubbish, there is no way that Hamas can side with Zionist against the resistance movement.Hamas was founded on the principle of resistence.They have endured far too much suffering far too long to change course now.If they change course now it would mean the suffering they endured for all these years become meaningless.Which is why even without verifying the source I can tell offhand that this is nonsense.
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« Reply #15 on: February 25, 2012, 05:40:16 AM »
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Iet them say and do what they want

An Important point: our support of the palestinian cause is that of principle ... We dont want any thing from them ... We will stand with them even if they hurt us .. On purpose or not ... We will stand for palestine even if they dont want it any more... Palestine has to return... This is a historical battle that will not be lost Inchallah.

The results of this battle will revive the real Islam ... Real islam and not fake ones ... Turkey and the Sunnis gave up this dear land... As Sayid Mosa Sadr said, this land will only be liberated by the true believers... Shia and their allies will get this land back... Alone as it seems

This is true. So called sunnies reveal their real face - satanic.

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« Reply #16 on: February 25, 2012, 06:07:36 AM »
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This is true. So called sunnies reveal their real face - satanic.
Dividing Muslims into Shia-Sunni is the same thing our enemies want. This is the same rule leaders of some Arab countries like Qatar and Saudi Arabia and ... follow now. And maybe I can say this is the origin of this decision of Hamas that is originated from countries like Qatar and Saudi Arabia.

So please we don't follow this Shia-Sunni division of Muslims here.

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As I know south of Lebanon was occupied by Israel, because Lebanese hosted Palestinians there (at least due to this pretext)
Some parts of Syria was occupied by Israel due to supporting right of Palestinians for liberation Palestine.
Iran has faced 33 years pressure and sanctions due to supporting of idea of liberation of Palestine.

Now these brave and clever Palestinians say : No Iran, No Hezbullah, Islamic Syria!!!... How ridiculous
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« Reply #17 on: February 25, 2012, 06:19:40 AM »
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Dividing Muslims into Shia-Sunni is the same thing our enemies want. This is the same rule leaders of some Arab countries like Qatar and Saudi Arabia and ... follow now. And maybe I can say this is the origin of this decision of Hamas that is originated from countries like Qatar and Saudi Arabia.

So please we don't follow this Shia-Sunni division of Muslims here.

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As I know south of Lebanon was occupied by Israel, because Lebanese hosted Palestinians there (at least due to this pretext)
Some parts of Syria was occupied by Israel due to supporting right of Palestinians for liberation Palestine.
Iran has faced 33 years pressure and sanctions due to supporting of idea of liberation of Palestine.

Now these brave and clever Palestinians say : No Iran, No Hezbullah, Islamic Syria!!!... How ridiculous

Politically it's not wise now, you are right, but when things come to end, this is revealed. It's said that only one branch of muslims will be saved.

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« Reply #18 on: February 27, 2012, 06:57:41 AM »
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More comments from Hamas

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The Hamas leadership has left its longtime base in Syria because of the regime's crackdown on opponents there, the No. 2 in the Islamic militant movement said in an interview Sunday at his new home on the outskirts of Cairo.
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Abu Marzouk noted Sunday that Hamas still has offices in Syria, but acknowledged that "practically, we are no longer in Syria because we couldn't practice our duties there."
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He said Mashaal and his aides have moved to Doha. Another Hamas official said this week that Mashaal twice turned down recent requests to meet with Assad and eventually decided to leave Syria.

"Our position on Syria is that we are not with the regime in its security solution, and we respect the will of the people," Abu Marouk said.

He said Hamas wants to keep its ties with Iran, but stood up to Tehran in refusing to side with Assad. "The Iranians are not happy with our position on Syria, and when they are not happy they don't deal with you in the same old way," he said, referring to a drop in Iranian aid to Hamas. He would not say how much money Hamas receives from Iran.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/ap-interview-hamas-syria-leader-15795256#.T0sojvUR-uI
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« Reply #19 on: February 27, 2012, 07:43:10 AM »
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Iran should just cut them off..They're a useless bunch who haven't achieved much..Hezbollah has achieved far more strategic depth with the very little resources they have than Hamas..If they're not spying on each other for the Zionist occupiers, they're just running around begging for money..Iran should leave them and focus on Palestinian groups that actually want to end the occupation...

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« Reply #20 on: February 27, 2012, 09:36:42 AM »
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Islamic Jihad is getting the strategic weapons from Iran ... they are far more reliable and focused on the main cause

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« Reply #21 on: February 27, 2012, 12:10:42 PM »
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Islamic Jihad is getting the strategic weapons from Iran ... they are far more reliable and focused on the main cause
I had heard that among Palestinian groups, Islamic Jihad has closest relations with Iran and their group has been established after Islamic Republic Revolution, And in fact the only Palestinian group that has been really inspired by Iran is Islamic Jihad group. Am I right?

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« Reply #22 on: February 27, 2012, 12:30:35 PM »
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I had heard that among Palestinian groups, Islamic Jihad has closest relations with Iran and their group has been established after Islamic Republic Revolution, And in fact the only Palestinian group that has been really inspired by Iran is Islamic Jihad group. Am I right?

yes the Islamic Jihad are pretty similar to Hezbollah in their relation to Iran... They coordinate their work completely with Iran and Hezbollah.. The previous leader, Fathi Shaqaqi, was inspired and got help from Iran... I even heard that he was Shia...
Even among the palestinians, Jihad is the clean party... only resistance .. not like hamas ... they even refused to enter gov with Hamas ... They are however not that popular as Hamas due to Sunni-Shia issues

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« Reply #23 on: February 27, 2012, 01:21:53 PM »
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Some members of Islamic Jihad converted to Shiism, but the majority are Sunni. This organization is a good example of Shia-Sunni cooperation and solidarity.

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« Reply #24 on: February 27, 2012, 01:28:35 PM »
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Some members of Islamic Jihad converted to Shiism, but the majority are Sunni. This organization is a good example of Shia-Sunni cooperation and solidarity.

if some members converted to Shia how this can be a good example for the Sunnis? an example of cooperation is Hamas ...

 

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