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You are being contradictory here. In your initial post you were referring to the people on this forum; indicated by this sentence.

Maybe I jumped to conclusions and while some here do support an independent Kurdistan, they almost automatically withdraw that support based on assumptions of the non-existent Israeli-Kurdistani ties.

This comment of yours is true. Historically the Kurdish people were autonomous, even if they were part of a larger group of people. Kurd, from my understanding, means 'guriella'. They were the defending Iranic forces to the west of Iran.

There are many contradictory views of what 'Kurd' means, I'm not a historian, therefore I can't really help or comment here.

What many people do not want is a detachment of history and an attachment to an imperalistic research based history which serves the agenda of british/imerialistic.

The word Iran'ian, its etimology can be traced back to meaning 'azadegan' or 'free peoples'.

I was under the impression that 'Iranian' means 'Aryan' (the real version, not the german version).

Indeed, there is a sense of nationalism in me, but not to an Iran with a 'persian identity', i'm completely against this (many people on this forum are as well) and find it to be flawed and an imperialistic based agenda to divide the IRANIAN peoples.

The reality is however different. You can't tell me the Persian language is not slowly replacing other languages in iran.. you can say 'well people can learn their language via private courses etc' however, a child is an empty tape and the schools is the recorded, and so if Persian is the dominate language eventually everyone will just speak Persian. I have been to Kirmanshan, the people use one Persian word for every two Kurdish words. Cultural federalism would have made Iran a much more powerful country.

However, when i look at the greater picture on many different levels, I believe the idea of an Islamic Umma with different cultures thriving in it, no national borders, free trade, autonomous regions, islamic law and unity among the people transcends all other forms of ideology and nationalistic fervor.

Will never work, the human race is a greedy one.

I completely disagree that in the shia majority non-persian regions they are becoming 'persianized'. This is absolutely false. The common language of the country is farsi, because its practical. However, this doesn't mean that cultures of different ethnic groups of peoples in Iran are being whipped away.

Again as I said before, the reality on the ground is completely different.

I have been to the Turkeman region of Iran, they are left alone and they have kept their culture, clothes, language.

People tend to wear their 'cultural' clothes in the areas that are less developed and less educated. It is the same in Iraqi Kurdistan where the younger more educated generation do not wear the traditional clothes anymore.

I have been to Kurdistan and the same thing can be said there as well.
I have been to all the different parts of north of Iran and there are different ethnic groups there as well and many different dialects/languages/traditions and cultures which have kept their identity.
I have not been to baluchistan, but i have friends from baluchistan who tell me they have kept their culture, clothes, language and actually are more prosperous in Iran, then they could ever dream of being in Pakistan.
Same thing in Azerbaijan, Luristan and other regions with different ethnic groups.

With all due respect. You may have been to these regions, but I was born in Iran, spent a couple years there and my family lived there for 20 years before I was born and while Iran has been less oppressive compared to the other countries, they are not near good enough.

What you are saying regarding persianization of other cultures and ethnic groups was a policy of the shah. He was the puppet of the west. Under the Islamic Republic, there is no effort to persianize anyone. The IR officials, each one of them, has a different ethnic background and understands that maintaining the different cultures, clothing, languages in different regions of Iran, is an asset

It may not be a state policy, however one can not deny that if Persian is continually used as the only official language, eventually it will take over. We have a good system in Iraqi Kurdistan where the Turks learn Turkish in schools, the Christians learn Aramaic, these children however still learn Kurdish, and so while maintaining their culture and language they are still able to communicate with the majority.

 

Again we come back to an imperialistic agenda of western governments who try and constantly portray Iran as 'persia' consisting of 'persians, to Iranians abroad and within Iran. As well as to their own populations. They write books, history and documentaries based on an agenda to portray Iran as 'persian', in order to weaken the Iranian people.

I don't care what the west says. I know many Iranians here in the west and they seem to think that Iranian=Persian and I'm not one to generalize, I don't blame them, because the system in Iran indirectly leads people to believe in that concept.

Kurdish people have always been autonomous. As i said before, kurd means 'guriella'. Their culture is based on being fighters. The clothing that kurds wear, is a military uniform. This is also why they settled within mountainous regions and all kurds are pro mountaineers.

Yes, we have always been good warriors, however inter-tribal feuds and the lack of unity has kept us from achieving greatness.

No one could really tell the kurds what to do during anytime in history, even under saddam, because their culture, identity, heritage, roots all are attached to the Iranic peoples and therefore their alliance was always to their own people and not invading foreign forces.

There is no unity within the Iranic people and I don't see it happening unless a federal system is adopted.

When you use the term arab and try to portray a mixed group of people as one and alike, it borders on racism.

I'm from Iraq. The majority of Arabs prefer to be called Arab even though it is clear the majority of the Shia Arabs have Iranic ancestry, so I'm just using the preferred term for the people I'm addressing.

I wouldn't blame the 'arabs', for even 'arab' is not a mono-ethnic group of people. It's rather a language and the reason many parts of the world speak arabic is because it was the language of Islam, commerce, science during the Islamic conquests. If you wanted to be 'educated' or 'religious' or a 'businessman', you would have needed to know Arabic in order to prosper.

Answered above.

I can argue that during the 70 years of baathist rule in Iraq, the country was not even meant to help all arabic speaking people prosper, because it was not in the interests of imperialistic groups who allowed this regime to be in power.

The reason saddam was put to power was because the previous dictator in Iraq was a patriotic dictator that was trying to nationalise the oil in Iraq.

The shiite in Iraq suffered as well, but they were 'arabic speaking', were they not?

Not as much as Kurds, and the shiite suffered due to religious reasons and where not attacked as an ethnic group.

The reason's the Kurdish people in Iran are actually the MOST prosperous out of ALL the groups of Kurds (in syria, iraq, turkey) is exactly because of what you mention. " Kurds are better off governed by Kurds", but not only Kurds, but Azeris, Turkemans, Lurs, Baloochs etc. In Iran this is the situation the we are seeing, that the different regions and muncipalities the people who represent them are from themselves, from their own villages, culture, language. etc.

I'm sorry I disagree. The Kurds in Iran are not the most prosperous. Kurds in the KRG are way better off! with a GDP of $6000 and an economic increase of 12% the life style of the average Kurd in the KRG is getting better and better. For example, I'll just show 3 pictures of Slemani and Hawler. where the majority of people live. This is the progress made just in 7 years! and its not even 2% of the progress.

Im afraid the KRG didn't prove this , the Islamic Republic of Iran and the Islamic Revolution proved this by allowing the people to rule over themselves. By allowing elected officials from each region to govern their own people.

I'm afraid it does.

Indeed, for all peoples of this region what is essential is good relations with their neighbors. Life in general, you should have good relations with your neighbors.

Indeed.

The US is the country who supported Saddam and gave him chemical weapons to commit the genocide against the Kurds. To brush that aside and forgive them without being compensated, or without an apology, because they are a 'superpower', is pure cowardice.

It's not 'cowardice' the people to blaim are our neighbors. If they were not so oppressive we would not need any outside help.

I wish the best for all Kurds and believe those with intellect, insight and understanding and without prejudice, realize they are Iranic people and that they were the most prosperous inside Iran and the only country which had the backs of Kurds and cared for them was Iran.

We are Iranic. No doubt. However that does not mean we should share a house with our cousins if that house is not fit for the purpose and Iran is not doing a good job at convincing me.