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Re: Iran Military Downs US Spy Drone
« #275 : December 13, 2011, 12:18:27 PM »
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The world is going to be surprised and caught completely off-guard if they ever decide to attack the Islamic Republic. They have no clue what Iran is capable of and are in absolute shock that their super stealth UAV was taken so easily.
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Re: Iran Military Downs US Spy Drone
« #276 : December 13, 2011, 02:51:51 PM »
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Foreign Policy: So What If Iran Has A U.S. Drone?

by Micah Zenko



Read Another Opinion On Iran

December 13, 2011

Micah Zenko is a fellow in the Council on Foreign Relations.

On May 1, 1960, an American U-2 surveillance plane was downed by a SA-2 surface-to-air missile over the Sverdlovsk area of the Soviet Union. The U-2's mission — code-named Operation Grand Slam — was to photograph Soviet ballistic missile sites to inform the missile-gap debate raging in Washington. Though Grand Slam was the 24th deep-penetration flight over Soviet territory in four years, and CIA analysts warned of improvements in Soviet air-defense radars and missiles, the risks were deemed worth taking. As Secretary of State Christian Herter had noted in a plea to President Dwight Eisenhower to resume the U-2 flights: "The intelligence objective outweighs the danger of getting trapped."

Is history repeating itself? On Thursday, Iranian state television showed two men in military uniforms running their hands across the swept-wing frame of what the broadcast claimed was an RQ-170 Sentinel drone. An unnamed U.S. official said with "high confidence" that the drone displayed was the Sentinel that had gone missing 140 miles inside of Iran. (Only days earlier, a senior official had claimed: "The Iranians have a pile of rubble and are trying to figure what they have.") Several officials have acknowledged that the drone was under CIA control on an intelligence collection mission inside Iran.

It is understandable that an event with headlines that include the words "Iran," "drone," and "nuclear" generate a great deal of attention. Yet, for all the bytes and ink expended in discussing the downed Sentinel drone, it is neither surprising nor particularly revealing. As was true in 1960, the benefits of spying on Iran outweigh the dangers of the program being revealed or a downed aircraft, and are what Americans should expect from the $55 billion spent last year on national intelligence. To understand why this downed drone is such an ordinary event requires an understanding the day-to-day process of the U.S. Intelligence Community (IC).

Here's how it works. Senior policymakers provide tasking guidance to the IC through the National Intelligence Priorities Framework (NIPF), which is the "sole mechanism for establishing national intelligence priorities," according to an Office of the Directorate of National Intelligence (ODNI) directive. The NIPF process is coordinated by the ODNI, and results in a matrix listing the intelligence priorities of policymakers based on topics covered at National Security Council meetings and discussions with cabinet officials. The NIPF is updated every six months and signed by the president. As was described to me recently, the matrix consists of some 30 issues of concern for collection ranked in horizontal bands, running from A (most important) to C (least important), with some 180 state and non-state groups listed on the vertical axis. Finally, the matrix is color-coded based on the degree of current priority. After the ranking, the matrix is then translated into specific guidance from the DNI to senior IC managers for allocating collection and analytical resources.

Though the NIPF is highly classified, it is likely that there is no higher priority intelligence target than Iran's nuclear program, ballistic-missile sites, and air-defense system. Given that the Sentinel was reportedly on a CIA mission, there is certainly a presidential memoranda of notification (or several) that broadly authorizes the covert collection efforts in Iran. Moreover, assuredly the Senate and House intelligence committees have been briefed often and thoroughly about the CIA's use of the Sentinel over Iran.

Since Iran is among the most important intelligence collection priority, it would only make sense for the United States to utilize its most advanced capabilities, just as the U-2 spy plane was a half-century ago. The United States has reportedly been flying drones of various capabilities and missions over Iran since as early as April 2004, some of which Iranians believed to be UFOs. The following year, Iran protested the drone flights to the United States through Swiss diplomatic channels, and via letters to the U.N. Security Council, demanding "an end to such unlawful acts." The RQ-170 Sentinel drone itself, pictures of which were first published in 2007, had flown from Afghan airbases over Iran "for years," according to the Associated Press. (Of course, Iran also flies surveillance drones against U.S. military assets, as demonstrated in this grainy video of the USS Ronald Reagan.)

http://www.npr.org/2011/12/13/143634496/foreign-policy-so-what-if-iran-has-a-u-s-drone

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Re: Iran Military Downs US Spy Drone
« #277 : December 13, 2011, 04:55:42 PM »
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Ordinary Event !


Iran has access to major U.S. military secrets, and this guy calls it an ordinary event.

Maybe flying drones over Iran is an ordinary event, but the capture of a drone is not any ordinary event.

But the title of the article includes the words, "So What If Iran Has A U.S. Drone?"

But the article does not address that. It only talks about spying with drones to be an ordinary event. That is not even a clever bit of deception.

The U.S. is trying to make light of the situation. That dishonesty from the USA is an ordinary event.

Pathetic, but ordinary.

Then Zenko goes on to say, "Iran also flies surveillance drones against U.S. military assets, as demonstrated in this grainy video of the USS Ronald Reagan."

The USS Ronald Reagan was in international waters. The Iranian drone did not spy on US territory. Zenko's argument is specious and disingenuous.

« : December 13, 2011, 04:57:45 PM Mr-Babak-S »

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Re: Iran Military Downs US Spy Drone
« #278 : December 13, 2011, 05:28:13 PM »
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سفر جلیلی به مسکو ارتباطی با پهپاد آمریکا ندارد
خبرگزاری ایرنا - ساعت 12:49 - 22/9/1390
تهران- سخنگوي وزارت امور خارجه تاکيد کرد: سفر اخير 'سعيد جليلي' دبير شوراي عالي امنيت ملي کشورمان به مسکو هيچگونه ارتباطي با هواپيماي بدون سرنشين (پهپاد) جاسوسي آمريکا ندارد.

به گزارش خبرنگار سیاسی ایرنا، 'رامین مهمانپرست' این سخنان را در نشست خبری امروز (سه شنبه) خود در پاسخ به سوال خبرنگاری در رابطه با سفر جلیلی به مسکو و گزارش های رسانه ای درباره تمایل روسیه به داشتن اطلاعات پهپاد آمریکایی مطرح کرد.
رییس مرکز دیپلماسی عمومی وزارت امور خارجه ضمن رد این موضوع گفت: تبادل نظر و رایزنی میان مقامات کشورهای بزرگی مانند ایران و روسیه کاملا طبیعی است.
سخنگوی وزارت امور خارجه افزود: با توجه به نقش ایران در منطقه و جایگاه روسیه در سطح جهانی و روابط دیرینه و راهبردی دو طرف انجام این گونه سفرها در سطوح بالا و رایزنی های مختلف کاملا طبیعی است و این موضوع ارتباطی با هواپیمای جاسوسی آمریکایی ها ندارد.

** اهمیت رایزنی تهران و ریاض
مهمانپرست در پاسخ به سوال ایرنا در رابطه با سفر حجت الاسلام و المسلمین 'حیدر مصلحی' وزیر اطلاعات کشورمان به عربستان سعودی و مذاکره وی با ولیعهد این کشور گفت: امیدواریم این سفر و نتایج مفیدی در روابط دو جانبه و مسایل منطقه ای داشته باشد.
وی یادآور شد: جمهوری اسلامی ایران و عربستان سعودی دو کشور مهم منطقه هستند و نقش و تاثیر فراوانی در جهان اسلام دارند.
رییس مرکز دیپلماسی عمومی وزارت امور خارجه گفت: وجود چنین تماس ها و رایزنی هایی به رفع سوء تفاهمات و موضوعات سیاسی و امنیتی دو جانبه و منطقه ای کمک می کند.
وی با یادآوری شرایط حساس کنونی در منطقه و همچنین تلاش های سلطه گران جهانی در خاورمیانه افزود: باید با هوش و درایت، اجازه ایجاد اختلاف میان کشورهای منطقه را ندهیم تا بتوانیم سوء تفاهمات موجود را رفع کنیم.
سخنگوی وزارت امور خارجه تاکید کرد: ایجاد اختلاف در میان کشورهای منطقه تنها به نفع رژیم صهیونیستی و حامیان آن است.
ادامه دارد

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تذکر جزایری به نمایندگان مجلس و رسانه ها؛
در انتشار اخبار دفاعی خویشتن دار باشید/ هیچ یک از اظهارات درباره RQ-170 مورد تائید نیست
معاون فرهنگی و تبلیغات دفاعی ستادکل نیروهای مسلح با بیان اینکه هیچ یک از اخبار منتشر شده پیرامون RQ-170 مورد تائید نیست، گفت: نمایندگان مجلس و رسانه ها در انتشار اخبار دفاعی خویشتن دار باشند.
سردار سید مسعود جزایری معاون فرهنگی و تبلیغات دفاعی ستادكل نیروهای مسلح در گفت‌وگو با خبرنگار دفاعی مشرق با اشاره به انتشار برخی اخبار و اظهارنظر ها درباره پهپاد آمریکایی جاسوسی به غنیمت گرفته شده RQ-170 توسط جمهوری اسلامی، گفت: هیچ یک از این اظهار نظرها در این باره مورد تائید نیست.

وی ادامه داد: متاسفانه درمورد اخبار دفاعی عده ای بدون داشتن اطلاعات کافی و یا تخصص لازم، در این زمینه اظهار نظر می کنند؛ چه بسا این اظهارات پیامدهای منفی را نیز برای امنیت ملی به همراه داشته باشد.

معاون فرهنگی و تبلیغات دفاعی ستادکل نیروهای مسلح افزود: بر اساس قوانین و مقررات اینگونه اظهارنظرها پیامدهای حقوقی برای گوینده و منتشر کننده به دنبال خواهد داشت.

وی به ویژه از نمایندگان محترم مجلس درخواست کرد نسبت به نقل اخبار دفاعی در رسانه ها خویشتن دار باشند و اظهارنظرهای خود را با ستادکل نیروهای مسلح هماهنگ کنند.

سردار جزایری در انتها خطاب به رسانه های داخلی، گفت: مراقب باشید در مسابقه خبری منافع ملی کشور خدشه دار نشود.

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Re: Iran Military Downs US Spy Drone
« #279 : December 14, 2011, 02:10:20 AM »
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جناب نپتون یکی از دوستان کمی اشاره کردن که چجوری میشه یه هواپیمای بی سرنشین رو هک کرد ولی من بیشتر توضیح میدم .
یکی از راه ها اینه که برای مدتی هواپیما رو تحت نظر بگیرین و هر دستوری که از ماهواره برای اون ارسال میشه(پهبادهای امریکایی مثل همین مدل و پردیتور و ریپر ماهواره ای کنترل میشن نه کنترل زمینی یا هوایی) ضبط و عکس العمل هواگرد رو هم بررسی کنید در این حالت بعد از مدتی نیاز به کدگشایی هم ندارین دقیقا می دونید که چه پالس هایی با چه فرکانسی و چه طول موجی بفرستین که هواپیما ارتفاع کم زیاد به چپ یا راست بگرده وبا همین روش میشه تمام دستورات اون رو کشف کرد.

در عین حال شما چون روی زمین امکانات اخلال قویتری از ماهواره دارین به راحتی می تونین امواج قویتری بفرستین و به راحتی هواگرد رو متاثر کنین و یا حتی اگر انتن های اون جهت دار باشه با استفاده از هواگردهای اخلالگر این کار رو بکنین مثلا فرض کنین یه هواپیمای سی۱۳۰ یا ایران ۱۴۰ برای این کار آماده شده باشه در این حالت چون از بالا میشه اون رو مختل کرد و قدرت امواج قویتر هست به راحتی میشه دستورات مشابه فرستاد و به طور کامل هدایت اون رو در دست گرفت .

برای جلوگیری از شروع به کار سیستم خودانتهاری هم میتونید در زمانی که هیچ دستوری ارسال نمی کنید کل باندهای ارسال و دریافت هواگرد رو جم کنین که سیستم اصلی دشمن نتونه کد خودانتهاری رو ارسال کنه.در این حالت سیستم کامل در دست شما هست و دشمن هم نمی تونه هیچ کاری بکنه مگر اینکه در همون زمان در منطقه سیستم های مشابه شما ولی قویتر داشته باشه که این مورد نشدنی هست زیرا خبر نداره شما کجا و به چه شکلی می خواین این کار رو بکنین .در عین حال اصلا خبر نداره که شما می خواین این کار رو بکنین.

این یه روش بود .
روش دیگه دقیقا هک هست و اونم به این وسیله که دریافت اطلاعات و ارسال اطلاعات پهباد رو دریافت و سپس ارتباط بین اعمال پهباد و ارتباطات رو کشف کنین این کار هم توسط متخصصین رمز گذاری انجام میشه نه مهندس نرم افزار یا گرایش هوش مصنوعی رایانه که شما ادعا کنین بهش وارد هستین و این مورد رمزگشایی در شاخصه ریاضی خودش گرایش و متخصص داره و اتفاقا تا جایی که من خبر دارم در این مورد بسیار قوی هستیم.
در ضمن هوش مصنوعی ارتباط خاصی به سیستم هک یا دی هک نداره و استفادش در سیستم های اتوپایلوت هست وگرنه در هک برنامه نویسی هوش مصنوعی موضوعیت نداره.
بعد از رمزگشایی مدتی دوباره سیستم رو کنترل می کنین تا ببینین که نتایج درست هست یا نه و در صورت درستی یعنی کار به اتمام رسیده و شما می تونید هدایت هواگرد رو در اختیار بگیرین.

اما روش بعدی استفاده از اخلالگرهای جی پی اس هست که معذرت می خوام ببخشید گلاب به روتون توی ایران مثل پشکل ریخته فقط یه کار می خواد و اون اینکه اینقدر قوی باشن که بتونن آنتن هواگرد رو متاثر کنن یا باید اون رو روی هواگردهایی مثل سی ۱۳۰ سوار کنین در این حالت با این روشی که بنده در زیر عرض می کنم میشه به راحتی هواگرد رو مجبور به فرود کرد.
شما کافی هست که مختصات خودتون رو به این هواگرد و آنتن جی پی اس اون القا کنین(چند وقت پیش خبر گذشتن ایران از این فناوری و رسیدن به فناوری القا و هدایت موشک های دشمن پخش شد) با این کار بدون اینکه خود هواگرد بدونه می تونید وارد فضای کشورش کنید و بعد با القا ارتفاع بالاتر و بالاتر سیستم اتوپایلوت هواگرد سعی در تثبیت ارتفاع روی عدد خاصی می کنه و چون ارتفاع القایی شما خیلی بالاتر هست هی ارتفاع رو کم می کنه تا جایی که شما می خواین بعد شما مختصات یه زمین هموار یا حتی فرودگاه رو بهش القا می کنین در این حالت خودش عین کفتر جلد میاد روی باند و در این حالت می تونید به رادار تعبیه شده در دماغه فقط یه مانع القا کنین(البته همه از این نوع رادار ندارن) و اگر رادار رماغه برای شناسایی عوارش روبروش نداشت باز فرقی نمی کنه شما تورهای مهار هواپیمای باند رو فعال می کنین و هواگرد با اندکی خسارت گرفتار میشه و بعد از این کار تمام باندهای دریافت و ارسال رو مختل می کنین تا دمشن توان فعال نمودن سیستم خودانهدامی اون رو از دست بده و خود هواگرد و خلبان اتوماتیک اون هم اصلا نمی فهمه چی سرش اومده.
نهایتا اگر مختصات القایی شما تا آخرین لحظه مختصات فرودگاه مبدا باشه هواگرد حتی خودش هم سیستم رو فعال نمی کنه چون منطقه خطر رو تشخیص نمیده.

اگر تور هم نداشتین باز عیبی نداره ارتفاع رو اینقدر اروم کم می کنین تا هواگرد به ارامی به زمین برسه و به باند یا زمین بماله در این حالت ممکنه ملغ هم بزنه ولی نهایتا خواهد ایستاد .
در این مورد هم باید همزمان تمام باندهای ارسال و دریافت در حال جم باشن و مختصات فرودگاه مبدا رو القا کنین در این حالت باز هواگرد با کمی خسارت در اختیار شما خواهد بود.

با توجه به اینکه گفته شده هواگرد زیاد وارد فضای کشور نشده من حدث می زنم از این روش استفاده شده باشه و امریکاییها هم فهمیدن هواگردشون داره به طرف ایران میره و نمی تونن کنترلش کنن چون تمام باندهاشون جم شده بوده.
این احتمالا یه نقشه طراحی شده از قبل بوده.برای همین غافلگیری کامل به همراه داشته و دشمن نتونسته کاری بکنه.
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« #280 : December 14, 2011, 02:39:48 AM »
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Of the three methods, I can see the first (navigation signal imitation) and third (GPS imitation) which is sufficient.  The second (live decryption) still doesn't make sense.  There is a possible 4th option that comes to mind, which is actually intercepting and netting the UAV in the air (is this possible-if not why?).  I can also see why self-destruct was inhibited as the author describes.

Regardless, after thinking about it over the past few days I had already imagined the first and third (and of course 4th) options.  The second option (again, on the fly decryption of signals) still doesn't make sense to me.  But it doesn't matter, because the other options seem to work--assuming these conditions weren't imagined by Lockheed/DOD and a solution wasn't in place which is very possible.

At the end, the craft is virtually undamaged and in IRI's hands which points, almost indisputably, to a take over and a controlled landing one way or another.

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« #281 : December 14, 2011, 03:09:44 AM »
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The world is going to be surprised and caught completely off-guard if they ever decide to attack the Islamic Republic. They have no clue what Iran is capable of and are in absolute shock that their super stealth UAV was taken so easily.

No proof the UAV was 'taken' unless one supposes the Iranians took control of the aircraft which is silly. Jamming communications and GPS also won't bring down the UAV BUT for arguments sake if the satcom/GPS was jammed and as a result the aircraft fell out of the sky(INS guidance aside), the damage would be equal to a technical failure because in both cases there would be loss in controls.

This was confirmed today by one of the congressional intelligence committee, and I see no reason to believe otherwise.

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« #282 : December 14, 2011, 03:28:11 AM »
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Nightstrike, or should I call you "drone-that-induced-your-nightmare", believe what you want. At the end of the day, Iran has the DRONE, a HUGE CATCH, and your masters hich ghalati nemeetone ke bekone.   

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« #283 : December 14, 2011, 03:35:09 AM »
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This was confirmed today by one of the congressional intelligence committee, and I see no reason to believe otherwise.

'Beh roobah goftan shahedet keeyeh, goft dombam'...:)

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Re: Iran Military Downs US Spy Drone
« #284 : December 14, 2011, 06:29:56 AM »
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No proof the UAV was 'taken' unless one supposes the Iranians took control of the aircraft which is silly. Jamming communications and GPS also won't bring down the UAV BUT for arguments sake if the satcom/GPS was jammed and as a result the aircraft fell out of the sky(INS guidance aside), the damage would be equal to a technical failure because in both cases there would be loss in controls.

This was confirmed today by one of the congressional intelligence committee, and I see no reason to believe otherwise.
so if this hypothesis is silly to you then I guess the hypothesis of the plane losing control and crashing and still being in one piece, or the plane landing itself in hostile territory,  is not Silly to you!!  Your sense of logic is extra-terrestrial
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« #285 : December 14, 2011, 07:29:33 AM »
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No proof the UAV was 'taken' unless one supposes the Iranians took control of the aircraft which is silly. Jamming communications and GPS also won't bring down the UAV BUT for arguments sake if the satcom/GPS was jammed and as a result the aircraft fell out of the sky(INS guidance aside), the damage would be equal to a technical failure because in both cases there would be loss in controls.

This was confirmed today by one of the congressional intelligence committee, and I see no reason to believe otherwise.

Ok. You will not get it back.

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Re: Iran Military Downs US Spy Drone
« #286 : December 14, 2011, 08:01:16 AM »
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The encryption on these devices for any information it receives or sends, can not be that heavy to break. The heavier the encryption, the more energy it requires to encrypt and decrypt everything. I read someone that they use a continues signal to the UAV. This would require a lot of energy, however assuming this is done... without knowing how this device works, I would attempt to force a disconnect by basically attempting a high amount of fake logins. That might cause a disconnect. While doing this, I would also be sniffing the air for connection attempts and catch the packet that makes a connection with the device. Once I have that packet, I would put all the computer available to me to crack it using rainbowtables.

In fact, I've cracked wireless networks doing (something similar to) the above. The only thing I see as more "difficult" is the assumed longer password they might use. However, having the supercomputers Iran has, I would put them all in a network and use pre-made rainbow tables to get through it fast.

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« #287 : December 14, 2011, 08:14:25 AM »
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No proof the UAV was 'taken' unless one supposes the Iranians took control of the aircraft which is silly. Jamming communications and GPS also won't bring down the UAV BUT for arguments sake if the satcom/GPS was jammed and as a result the aircraft fell out of the sky(INS guidance aside), the damage would be equal to a technical failure because in both cases there would be loss in controls.

This was confirmed today by one of the congressional intelligence committee, and I see no reason to believe otherwise.


With this kind of thinking, is it any wonder the US is going down the drain??? Three more people like you and the US will be finished in no time...


This was confirmed today by one of the congressional intelligence committee, and I see no reason to believe otherwise.

Finding the word "congressional" and "intelligence" in the same sentence makes me wanna throw up...As if it's intelligence, in the true sense of the word, that guides the US decision makers or decision making process..It's like the Pentagon favourite word "Military Intelligence"..An oxymoron, one would say..

With people like you and this pattern of thinking, is it any wonder the leaders in the West always get away with murder and destruction of their economy??

Believe whatever you want..Fact is, the drone is now in Iran's possession - even the dumb president Obama confirms it and "has asked for it back..." - without the shame, of course.


Read a bit of history and see where imperial hubris and stupidity ended all the previous super powers(empire)...
But then again, why do I have to bother you with reading,something that's discouraged and frowned upon in the US and substituted with TV and American idols...lol
« : December 14, 2011, 08:27:06 AM reza18 »

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Re: Iran Military Downs US Spy Drone
« #288 : December 14, 2011, 08:20:36 AM »
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No proof the UAV was 'taken' unless one supposes the Iranians took control of the aircraft which is silly. Jamming communications and GPS also won't bring down the UAV BUT for arguments sake if the satcom/GPS was jammed and as a result the aircraft fell out of the sky(INS guidance aside), the damage would be equal to a technical failure because in both cases there would be loss in controls.

This was confirmed today by one of the congressional intelligence committee, and I see no reason to believe otherwise.

it is not just jamming the gps signal but induving the landing coordinates to it.

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« #289 : December 14, 2011, 08:40:27 AM »
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LOL Congressional INTELLIGENCE. HAHAHAHA

If they had an iota of intelligence they wouldn't bankrupt their country running around like a chicken with its head cut off.

Bottom line is, Iran hacked into and took over the controls of the UAV. They have demonstrated it with live video feed in Iraq and Lebanon. The congressional intelligence should first do an IQ test to see if they are even as capable as a donkey, who is retarded, and prematurely born.
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« #290 : December 14, 2011, 09:26:39 AM »
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1- آیا واقعا فکر می کنید اوباما و آمریکایی ها اونقدر احمقند که یه همچین درخواست احمقانه ای از ایران داشته باشن؟ یا شاید در مقابلش پشنهاد معامله ای به ایران دادن که اوباما اینگونه میاد در یک کنفرانس مطبوعاتی می گه ما منتظر پاسخ ایرانیم.

بعید میدونم، اوباما اینقدر احمق باشه که بخواد با همچین درخواستی و بیان این صحبت ها در کنفرانس مطبوعاتی خودشو مضحکه رسانه ها کنه.

2- خبر بی سر و صدای سفر جلیلی به روسیه رو داشتیم که گفته شد یکی از موضوعات بحث در رابطه با تجاوز پهپاد آمریکایی هست

3- اعلام آماده باش غیر منتظره هو جین تائو به نیروی دریایی برای آمادگی برای نبرد.

4- خبر EUtimes درباره اعلام پوتین و مدودف مبنی بر اعلام موافقت اصولی هو جین تائو مبنی بر ورود به جنگ (حتی هسته ای) با غرب به منظور ممانعت از تهاجم اخیر غرب ( در مورد سوریه و ایران و احتمالا بعدش هم لابد ...)

5- ضرب و شتم سفیر روسیه در قطر که گفته میشه به در خواست CIA و MI6 بوده مبنی بر دستیابی یک سری اطلاعاتی که سفیر روسیه در بازگشت از سوریه همراه خودش در کیفش داشته

6- این بحث سلاح بیولوژیک آنفولانزای مصنوعی که گفته میشده قصد داشتن در سوریه و ایران به کار ببرن و برای اینکار هم از Rq-170 قرار بوده استفاده بشه

7- سفر غیر منتظره وزیر اطلاعات به عربستان

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« #291 : December 14, 2011, 09:35:07 AM »
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im just wondering where is Eagle on this hot topic? sorry i know its unrelated, thanks.

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« #293 : December 14, 2011, 02:58:55 PM »
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'Iran UAVs to outmaneuver US drones'

Mon Dec 12, 2011 9:45AM GMT

A member of Iran's Majlis Committee on National Security and Foreign Policy Parviz Sorouri
Iran plans to carry out reverse engineering on an American spy drone downed by the Iranian military and mass-produce aircraft that can outmaneuver US unmanned aerial vehicles, an Iranian lawmaker says.


Iran will carry out reverse engineering on the captured RQ-170 Sentinel stealth aircraft at the next step, member of the Majlis Committee on National Security and Foreign Policy Parviz Sorouri said on Sunday.

Iranian engineers will prove that they have the essential capabilities to mass-produce aircraft of higher quality than US drones in the near future, IRIB quoted the legislator as saying in an interview with Iran's Arabic-language news channel Al-Alam.

On December 4, the Iranian military's electronic warfare units brought down the US RQ-170 Sentinel stealth aircraft with minimal damage. The spy drone was flying over the eastern city of Kashmar, some 225km (140 miles) from the Afghan border.

The aircraft, designed and developed by the American company Lockheed Martin, had crossed into Iran's airspace over the border with neighboring Afghanistan.

Sorouri added that Iran's Islamic Revolution Guard Corps (IRGC) has made great progress in countering electronic warfare and emphasized that except the US, no country has obtained such a capacity yet.

He stated that Iran succeeded in identifying and disrupting the US electronic management of the flying object and managed to down it with little damage.

The legislator noted that the decryption data on the downed US spy drone is close to the final stage, saying Iran will soon acquire confidential information which will be used as evidence in taking action against the United States.

On December 6, two US officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, confirmed that the drone had been part of a CIA reconnaissance mission, involving the United States intelligence community stationed in Afghanistan.

Head of the Iranian Judiciary High Council for Human Rights Mohammad Javad Larijani said on Sunday that the violation of Iran's airspace by the American spy drone is a blatant example of rights violation and legal action will be taken against the US.

He added that Tehran would be pursing this clear instance of the violation of its sovereignty.

http://www.presstv.com/detail/215189.html

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« #294 : December 15, 2011, 04:56:43 PM »
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U.S. had few viable options to recover drone from Iran


We find it REVEALING that one of the architects of the misguided invasion of Iraq would now be criticizing President Obama for not sending American forces into Iran to recover a spy drone that was seized last week.

Former Vice President Dick Cheney had the temerity to argue that a recovery mission “would have been a fairly simple operation.” That’s what he and other advocates in the administration of President George W. Bush said about the invasion of Iraq in 2003. Their insistence that the removal of Saddam Hussein would result in the Iraqi people embracing the U.S.-led coalition forces turned out to be wrong. American troops are only now coming home — after the death toll of 4,483, including 3,531 servicemen and women, and a price tag of almost $1 trillion.

So Cheney’s contention that President Obama was too timid in his reaction to the loss of the drone would be laughable were it not so pathetically political. If there’s one lesson this country should have learned from the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan it is that there are limits to the exercise of military power.

The president is right in seeking a diplomatic solution to Iran’s capture of the spy drone. After all, the unmanned craft was 140 miles inside that country, reportedly gathering information on its nuclear program. The West believes the program is being designed to develop weapons of mass destruction.

Iran has test fired missiles that could hit Israel and U.S. bases in the Gulf, has over 500,000 personnel in the army, navy and air force, and has the ability to establish a blockade in the Strait of Hormuz through which most of the oil from the Middle East is transported.

Any attempt to retrieve the drone could also have triggered a military response by Iran against the dwindling American forces in neighboring Iraq. Indeed, the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps is already creating problems for the fledgling democratic government of Iraq by supporting Islamic extremists who are determined to replace Prime Minister Nouri al-Malaki with a theocracy similar to the one in Tehran.

The Obama administration has asked Iran to return the drone, knowing that the request will be ignored, while the Iranians have demanded an apology.

Electronic ambush?

The issue that the White House should address is why the Unmanned Aerial Vehicle, the RQ-170 Sentinel built by Lockheed Martin, was not able to be destroyed by the operators when they lost control of it. Administration officials say it malfunctioned, but Iran contends it was brought down in an electronic ambush. Television images and photographs show the surveillance craft with little damage.

The Iranians are attempting to retrieve whatever data may have been stored in the drone, are conducting an analysis of the radar-evading skin and are studying the technology.

Without a doubt the loss is significant, especially since Russia and China would be willing to make a deal with Iran to gain access to the craft. But an American retrieval attempt had the potential to be more harmful than the loss.

http://www.vindy.com/news/2011/dec/15/us-had-few-viable-options-to-recover-dro/

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« #295 : December 15, 2011, 07:22:59 PM »
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How Iran hijacked a US stealth drone

Posted on December 15, 2011 - 13:52 by Trent Nouveau

The Iranian military recently managed to hijack an American stealth drone by exploiting a well-known navigational vulnerability in the RQ-170 Sentinel, aka The Beast of Kandahar.

According to an Iranian engineer, electronic warfare specialists cut off US contact with the drone before reconfiguring the Sentinel's GPS coordinates and landing it in Iranian territory. 



How Iran hijacked a US stealth drone"The GPS navigation is the weakest point," the engineer told the Christian Science Monitor.


"By putting noise [jamming] on the communications, you force the bird into autopilot. This is where the bird loses its brain."



The "spoofing" technique, said the engineer, utilized precise latitudinal and longitudinal data, "forcing the drone to land on its own where we wanted it to, without having to crack the remote-control signals and communications," from the US control center.


Former US Navy electronic warfare specialist Robert Densmore told the CS Monitor the digital hijacking scenario detailed by the unnamed Iranian engineer was entirely plausible.

"Even modern combat-grade GPS [is still] very susceptible to manipulation," Densmore confirmed. 



He also noted it was "certainly possible" to recalibrate the GPS on a drone so that it flies on a different course than originally programmed.

"[Obviously], I wouldn't say it's easy, but the technology is there."

http://www.tgdaily.com/security-features/60239-how-iran-hijacked-a-us-stealth-drone

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« #296 : December 15, 2011, 08:55:39 PM »
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More details of the GPS spoofing here:

http://www.iranmilitaryforum.net/index.php?topic=12768.msg100228#msg100228

Before going more into this, it would not be smart for the IRI to detail exactly how the bird was commandeered.  In that context, whatever we hear from Iranian or US 'sources' is almost assuredly a step away from the truth.  That said, it is clear the UAV was somehow commandeered.  Anyway....

I don't know if the person in the link is an engineer or not but they have outlined 3 scenarios where one is sending spoofed GPS signals to the UAV.  They go ahead and exemplify that the UAV is made to think it is higher than it is and it subsequently reduces its altitude until it finally 'lands'.  They also go ahead and imply if the bird doesn't know it's landed and if the engines are still firing a simple 'netting' mechanism can be deployed to stop it.  However, they don't describe how the engines are eventually extinguished after being 'netted'.  To add to this, I can imagine that the navigation signal can be similarly spoofed.  I can also imagine that the spoofed GPS signal isn't entirely 'smooth' thus the minor dent during landing on the front LEFT wing and perhaps the possible damage to the landing and surveillance gear under the craft which is covered.  All these items have also been described by an Iranian engineer 'source' in today's CSM front page exclusive (again be aware of all misinfo and counter-misinfo).  Regardless, this is, otherwise, an almost entirely undamaged bird and almost certainly commandeered

This is truly awesome stuff.   

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« #297 : December 16, 2011, 12:32:07 AM »
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'Iran UAVs to outmaneuver US drones'

Mon Dec 12, 2011 9:45AM GMT

A member of Iran's Majlis Committee on National Security and Foreign Policy Parviz Sorouri
Iran plans to carry out reverse engineering on an American spy drone downed by the Iranian military and mass-produce aircraft that can outmaneuver US unmanned aerial vehicles, an Iranian lawmaker says.


Iran will carry out reverse engineering on the captured RQ-170 Sentinel stealth aircraft at the next step, member of the Majlis Committee on National Security and Foreign Policy Parviz Sorouri said on Sunday.

Iranian engineers will prove that they have the essential capabilities to mass-produce aircraft of higher quality than US drones in the near future, IRIB quoted the legislator as saying in an interview with Iran's Arabic-language news channel Al-Alam.

On December 4, the Iranian military's electronic warfare units brought down the US RQ-170 Sentinel stealth aircraft with minimal damage. The spy drone was flying over the eastern city of Kashmar, some 225km (140 miles) from the Afghan border.

The aircraft, designed and developed by the American company Lockheed Martin, had crossed into Iran's airspace over the border with neighboring Afghanistan.

Sorouri added that Iran's Islamic Revolution Guard Corps (IRGC) has made great progress in countering electronic warfare and emphasized that except the US, no country has obtained such a capacity yet.

He stated that Iran succeeded in identifying and disrupting the US electronic management of the flying object and managed to down it with little damage.

The legislator noted that the decryption data on the downed US spy drone is close to the final stage, saying Iran will soon acquire confidential information which will be used as evidence in taking action against the United States.

On December 6, two US officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, confirmed that the drone had been part of a CIA reconnaissance mission, involving the United States intelligence community stationed in Afghanistan.

Head of the Iranian Judiciary High Council for Human Rights Mohammad Javad Larijani said on Sunday that the violation of Iran's airspace by the American spy drone is a blatant example of rights violation and legal action will be taken against the US.

He added that Tehran would be pursing this clear instance of the violation of its sovereignty.

http://www.presstv.com/detail/215189.html

That's propaganda right? Iran had the tomcat for over 30 years now, still can't make all the parts for it. Plus A reversed engineered RQ170 is uselss if you don't have the supporting infrastructure in place.

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« #298 : December 16, 2011, 04:22:06 AM »
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That's propaganda right? Iran had the tomcat for over 30 years now, still can't make all the parts for it. Plus A reversed engineered RQ170 is uselss if you don't have the supporting infrastructure in place.

Iranians are full of surprises. No one expected Iran to successfully resist disintegration in Iran/Iraq war, no one expected Iran to maintain and upgrade Its F-14's long after US destroyed the only other copies, no one expected Iran to manufacture its naval warships and submarines, no one ...................................all under the heaviest sanctions a country has ever been subjected to!

Never under estimate Iranians!


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« #299 : December 16, 2011, 04:48:38 AM »
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Interesting site:

http://theaviationist.com/


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