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In my humble opinion........i dont understand why would anyone doubt the resolve of the people who themselves claim to be inspired by the example of the 'Master of Martyrs (A.S.)" and his family.

Dont we lament and say, "We wish we would have sacrificed our sons, instead of Ali Akbar and Ali Asghar"
Are our children more beloved than the sons of Syeda Zainab (A.S) who were barely 15 and fought valiantly!!

Why do we feel sorry for those who have passed on (fulfilled there promise), in such a beautiful way, to eternal peace.........

It is we who linger, who should be pitied not the Great Shaheed!!

Who cares what propaganda our enemies spread, for they are only decieving themselves...... and NO ONE ELSE!!
A 17 episode documentary by Al Manar titled 'If Hizbollah Was Defeated...'

This doc takes a very academic and scientific approach to Hizbollah's military tactics, strategy, school of thought etc.

A MUST WATCH for Military Enthusiast

http://www.iranmilitaryforum.net/cinema-and-entertainment/dedicated-hezballah-video-thread/msg213452/#msg213452



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"Shia's are first Loyal to the Islamic Republic"
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I would ask the MODS here to merge this topic with the similiar topic (below link) to consolidate info for future reference.

http://www.iranmilitaryforum.net/index.php?topic=3303.15

A 17 episode documentary by Al Manar titled 'If Hizbollah Was Defeated...'

This doc takes a very academic and scientific approach to Hizbollah's military tactics, strategy, school of thought etc.

A MUST WATCH for Military Enthusiast

http://www.iranmilitaryforum.net/cinema-and-entertainment/dedicated-hezballah-video-thread/msg213452/#msg213452



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YMJ, see this video, our Iranian brothers tried to stop this very young child to stop going to the front, but they did not try too hard as he wriggled into the back of the bus.


You couldn't stop that brave boy even if you wanted to, he'd find his way. If you look and see the spirit the other men got from that one boy alone, its outstanding!

Now i realize how important these brave souls were to the holy war.

Believe me, those are not boys but men. In hard times, those brave lions would've been in the front of the line and that would give even more spirit to the men to step up.

Allah'u akbar! Fatehe salavat! Roheshoon shaad!
Ya Ali, molla Ali (as)

"There is no wealth like knowledge, no poverty like ignorance" - Imam Ali (as)

"''melate ma neshan dade'ast ke be hadaf haye khod momen, va dar rahe on, ta nesar'e jaan eestade'ast.. chenin melati, az america va az hiiich ghodrati nemitars'ad, va be yaari'e khoda neshan khahad daad ke pirooz az on' e hagh, va momenan be hagh ast!"

- Rahbar'e moazzam'e Enghlab'e Islami Ayatollah Seyyed Ali Khamenei

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YMJ, see this video, our Iranian brothers tried to stop this very young child to stop going to the front, but they did not try too hard as he wriggled into the back of the bus.

Iranian Child Begging to Volunteer in Iran-Iraq War

By the way, may all the soldiers, basij, teenagers, children, men etc who died in the struggle to defend our land, roohish baak va ravanisho shaad baad, mardomhaaye IranZamin!
Last Edit: May 26, 2011, 02:01:48 PM by AryanFire

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Can people stop putting words in my mouth, when did I say children were forced, I said children under the age of 16 should not have been allowed to the front in my opinion.

They weren't allowed to officially, many of them forged their documents. Many would just refuse to go back.

My uncle for instance ran away and forged his documents to increase his age so he could fight.

By the way, do you REALLY think you can restrain Iranian youth from doing what they really want to do?
If you actually think that, you don't understand Iranian youth and how uncontrollable they are especially to situations like this.
Ya Ali, molla Ali (as)

"There is no wealth like knowledge, no poverty like ignorance" - Imam Ali (as)

"''melate ma neshan dade'ast ke be hadaf haye khod momen, va dar rahe on, ta nesar'e jaan eestade'ast.. chenin melati, az america va az hiiich ghodrati nemitars'ad, va be yaari'e khoda neshan khahad daad ke pirooz az on' e hagh, va momenan be hagh ast!"

- Rahbar'e moazzam'e Enghlab'e Islami Ayatollah Seyyed Ali Khamenei

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Can people stop putting words in my mouth, when did I say children were forced, I said children under the age of 16 should not have been allowed to the front in my opinion.

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Iranians should organize to disseminate truth about Iran on other internet fora.

The internet allows you to reach out to whole populations, even one comment, in response to a recent bit of misinformation posted somewhere in some relatively-frequently visited forum, if the comment is well researched, properly sourced, that corrects the misconception that is being propagated, can enlighten many people. Just one such comment.

We, ourselves, can correct misconceptions on Iran and Hezbollah. Maybe even make friends of foreign cultures online. Over the internet, we don't require some inherited control over news medias like the Jewish communities in the west. Iranians can spread truth wherever lies are found.

Anyone who fought in the war deserves the utmost respect, and honor, no matter what their age. They defended Iran,and that takes priority in this issue.
"The sword is victorious over money, the master-will subdues again the plunderer-will. . . A power can be overthrown only by another power, not by a principle, and only one power that can confront money is left. Money is overthrown and abolished by blood. Life is alpha and omega . . . It is the fact of facts within the world-as-history."

- Oswald Spengler
Last Edit: May 26, 2011, 08:35:02 AM by Apollyon

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My uncle was 14 when he went to the front lines, he ran away from home and forged his documents to say he's 18, i believe. I have his pictures, but because they are personal i'm not too willing to post them just yet.

 There was nothing my grandmother could do, but pray for his safe return. There was a point where both of my uncles and my grandfather, all were at the front lines.  He returned with a shrapnel wound to his abdomen and a piece of shrapnel dislodged in his head (brain) which can not be removed without the possibility of causing his death. He falls into seizures regularly due to this.  He actually ran away from the hospital too, to go home.

The men who fought in the war, are some of the bravest men on this planet!

I know perfectly well how the west is lying regarding this, which is sad. What saddens me is that some Iranians help them to propagate this great lie.
Ya Ali, molla Ali (as)

"There is no wealth like knowledge, no poverty like ignorance" - Imam Ali (as)

"''melate ma neshan dade'ast ke be hadaf haye khod momen, va dar rahe on, ta nesar'e jaan eestade'ast.. chenin melati, az america va az hiiich ghodrati nemitars'ad, va be yaari'e khoda neshan khahad daad ke pirooz az on' e hagh, va momenan be hagh ast!"

- Rahbar'e moazzam'e Enghlab'e Islami Ayatollah Seyyed Ali Khamenei

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Obviously this is BS generated in the West to demonise the IRI in the eyes of the world. They now using Green Farts to spread this propaganda.
None of you is a believer until he loves for his brother that which he loves for himself - The last Messenger

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lol, its weird i know. when did defending one's self become a crime, right?

It is not a crime to defend your own country, but it is not reasonable to let children under the age of 16 to fight at the battle front. Despite showing you all numerous photos and videos of child soldiers during the Iran-Iraq war, some of you here do not want to believe this fact.
First of all the age of adulthood for a boy in Islam is 15 y/o, second of all, no child was ever forced to join the military, nor to be at the front... and quite definitely not forced or even asked to walk on any mine field.

The brave young men that did fight at the front, did so without being asked and in all cases were told to return a billion times... but wanted to come anyway. In some rare cases where they did make sacrifices.... they're well recorded as heroes (e.g. Hossein Fahmideh):



A lot of young men fought at the front.... that is not the issue here... the issue is that we've never told kids or whoever to run across any mine field.

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AryanFire: Some are saying that you are exaggerating the subject to measures usually used as propaganda. Some others have been there themselves and say you are exaggerating, being selective and taking things out of context. Others say you have an agenda. Pick your choice...

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nomad, that is true, I am provind evidence that it happened during the Iran Iraq war, contrary what people on this forum are saying.

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Women and children have fought in many different wars in the world !  From Vietnam to the Arab- Usraeli war to WWII to Iran-Iraq war to Afghan war to Iraq civil war ................ :think:
Marshall islands . Where the sun shines the brightest .

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lol, its weird i know. when did defending one's self become a crime, right?

It is not a crime to defend your own country, but it is not reasonable to let children under the age of 16 to fight at the battle front. Despite showing you all numerous photos and videos of child soldiers during the Iran-Iraq war, some of you here do not want to believe this fact.

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"It must be flattering Iran, standing alone, is held to such high standards that other nations would scoff at, if applied to them. "

Good point.

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lol, its weird i know. when did defending one's self become a crime, right?

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lol, its weird i know. When did survival become a crime, right?

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There is no such thing as a war without innocent people dieing, ever, least of all a war in which your nation is threatened with chemical annihilation.
The world is truly backwards. Courage and devotion are now evil because they simply offend western "civilized" sensibilities.
It must be flattering Iran, standing alone, is held to such high standards that other nations would scoff at, if applied to them.
I sincerely hope the world continues to forever hold Iran to much higher standards in all fields, morally, scientifically, in warfare, &c.. I couldn't imagine myself in their place, they put me to shame. The iron people of Iran deserve higher standards.

"The sword is victorious over money, the master-will subdues again the plunderer-will. . . A power can be overthrown only by another power, not by a principle, and only one power that can confront money is left. Money is overthrown and abolished by blood. Life is alpha and omega . . . It is the fact of facts within the world-as-history."

- Oswald Spengler
Last Edit: February 18, 2011, 01:18:02 AM by Apollyon

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Yeah that mine clearing theory is just BS propaganda. I was commenting on generally the ordinariness for use of children in war when a army have manpower issues.

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There are times like these where the resolve of a Nation is shown clearly to the world. Oh this great Nation of Iran together with its proud citizens showed the world that when the Silent Majority gets rattled the world better pay attention:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ls4I37lQrw&feature=player_embedded#at=42  2011

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbYqckFvUJI&feature=player_embedded   2010

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This brings back sooooo much memory and tears to my eyes.
http://www.iranclip.com/player/169

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Barberry, I do not have an agenda, I have given you evidence filmed by IRI (so please look at the youtube videos) that there were child soldiers on the front line.


Yes. By choice! Matter of fact they would even run away to join the front lines!
Ya Ali, molla Ali (as)

"There is no wealth like knowledge, no poverty like ignorance" - Imam Ali (as)

"''melate ma neshan dade'ast ke be hadaf haye khod momen, va dar rahe on, ta nesar'e jaan eestade'ast.. chenin melati, az america va az hiiich ghodrati nemitars'ad, va be yaari'e khoda neshan khahad daad ke pirooz az on' e hagh, va momenan be hagh ast!"

- Rahbar'e moazzam'e Enghlab'e Islami Ayatollah Seyyed Ali Khamenei

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This happens in all prolonged wars, when the factions/nations are lucky to have a highly motivated population. This is no pure Iranian phenomena. Its no secret that Iran had manpower issues during the latter part of the Iran-Iraq war.

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Barberry, I do not have an agenda, I have given you evidence filmed by IRI (so please look at the youtube videos) that there were child soldiers on the front line.

My own cousin was a child soldier who cleared some mines.

Some people gave their gas masks to those with wives and children, but most of the chemical gas masks we bought were from North Korea which were not designed for Middle Easterners and did not fit properly. Also because many of our brave soldiers wore beards, the masks did not fit well against the skin and the small areas exposed led the to gas masks being useless.

My own dai was victim of nerve gas in Mosiyan Susangerd and my amoo, which you can see the posted picture, died from shrapnel.

I am telling the truth and I have shown evidence.
Last Edit: February 17, 2011, 11:30:54 AM by AryanFire

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Obviously this Aryanfire has an agenda. He makes outrageous claims and runs off without addressing the response. I have several retired military men in my family and they find claims such as his absurd. There was certainly no lack of volunteers and no one - especially not the young - was directly forced to do anything.

Now let us also put things in perspective. Military training is to a large extent mental conditioning. Soldiers are to follow orders. If we are to speak about coercion (directly or indirectly) then all action taken by a group of soldiers during wartime could be labeled as such.

People refused gas mask during chemical attacks for the benefit of their comrades with wifes and children, pilots undertook missions they knew were suicidal and, yes, people walked across minefields. Indirectly these actions could be perceived as coerced through military training and religious/ social ideals.

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I was there for 2 years and there was not one child in the front lines.
Where there were childern involved in the fighting was in the towns and villages close to borders were they would get involved in the fighting without anyone "brain washing" them.

For anyone to say there was systomatic brain washing to bring the kids in to the war is a load of bull.
There are times like these where the resolve of a Nation is shown clearly to the world. Oh this great Nation of Iran together with its proud citizens showed the world that when the Silent Majority gets rattled the world better pay attention:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ls4I37lQrw&feature=player_embedded#at=42  2011

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbYqckFvUJI&feature=player_embedded   2010

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This brings back sooooo much memory and tears to my eyes.
http://www.iranclip.com/player/169

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