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Several solutions can be. After all wave phenomena of light as well.
This is not quite perfect:

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I think not less but rather more substance to the heat conduction of clothing. Growing within the outside surface, so the temperature will be small.
So you need an insulating layer (neoprene) and it should be a very good heat conducting material. As appropriate and colored surfaces.

Tank looks like this: Watch the video less than 1 minute.

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Thanks for your response Nomad

While I think a number of specifics that you suggest wouldn't pan out in the real-world, I've come to roughly the same conclusion you have with that thought-experiment I mentioned to you a while back.

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I remember that AWACS was able to detect Saddam  ground data link from Baghdad to Basra in 1991 war . So what is size of datalink cable ? Two centimeter diameter ? And have radar not improved since ? Do we believe official figure given out ? Or do we take extra precaution if we can ? Official figure for F22 radar is detection of one square meter (metal plate) at 250 mile ! I am not radar engineer , and if assume as a rough guesstimate that size of detection (RCS) proportional to distance then radar similar to F22 ( modern fighter radar) detect 1 cm^2  at 2.5 mile !

I think this was done by AWACS detecting not the signal in cable but cable itself ! By ground search radar .They allowed a reporter on board AWACS plane ( a rare event to say the least ! ) and reporter was allowed to see coloumn of Iraqi tanks moving south on radar screen and also this data link cable was hit and destroyed from air .

 Geographically the national IADS was split into several large zones, in each of which were located central local C3 facilities, one or more large hardened airbases and a network of communications links to fixed radar and SAM sites. Control of the whole network was centred in hardened facilities in the vicinity of Baghdad. While microwave links were used extensively, these were backed up by landlines.



   The EC-130 Compass Call aircraft provided communications jamming of GCI links and command links to SAM and AAA systems, forcing the Iraqis to rely on landlines of substantially lower bandwidth. These aircraft worked long hours, standing off near the boundaries of Iraqi airspace and pouring garbage into Iraq's airwaves. While not receiving the coverage of the fast jet support jammers, the EC-130s performed a vital role particularly in the early phase of the conflict.


 To further incapacitate the Iraqi C3 network, which due jamming would have to revert to land line communications, many of the cruise missiles were targeted at electrical power stations and distribution yards, a large fraction of the USN cruise missiles dispensing rather than submunitions spools of conductive carbon-fibre wire which caused massive and repetitive electrical short circuits. The effect was to cripple those communications and command facilities which did not have standby (backup) power systems, and those repeatered links which operated on mains grid power.

http://www.ausairpower.net/Analysis-ODS-EW.html

Yes I agree , as far as clothing conduction , less conducting is best . Because humans have hot body and problem is keeping the heat from escaping to outside  . ( So need cooling blanket to remove any escaped heat  ) . But for vehicle need both cooling and heating ability for camo blanket .The more substance to clothing the less heat transfer or less conducting . But in hot weather wearing very insulating clothing may be difficult , in cold climate it is easy and also no need for much cooling unless in Siberia -20 Deg ! So you need bad conductors of heat or good insulators like  ceramic plates  for people .

Forget it. Your solution is too complex and expensive.

The only viable solution to hide in Thermal is to have liquid water to cool the ouside of human body suit and then be evaporated by outside air (blown in by electric fan). Basically a portable Water Cooler connected to plastic body suit.

And you also need a camo net with sand glued on top of it. To hide soldier from light amplification device.

I like modular design of this Russian future Tank . But it all look very conventional to me ( the Tank design ) . It will have same problem as present tanks . Ie : Mostly useful with air power ! But fun to look at Russians have not recently ordered any new tanks ! Surprise Surprise ! )

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Hm, what about the blinding of tanks? Could a simple capacitor with e.g. a charge of 10000 µF/1000 V shut down a tanks electronic?

There can be different evaporative cooling solutions to this. I think I can make a home made version and connect several deoderant bottle to some plastic tube and put inside my wool jumper!

Do it like that.

Have a plastic parka or a plastic jacket. Sew on a plastic tube around a jacket. 2 centimeters between each ring. Remember you have to cool outside of a jacket, not inside it. Since you do not want to cool down human body.
 
Then connect water tube to a water pump. Connect water pump to a small bottle open from top to air. Connect electric fan to blow outside air to top of bottle. Evaporation from open plastic bottle will cool the rest of water.

Always cool water will then curculate in plastic tube, cooling outside of plastic jacket.

Photograph this school project and post it here.

(1) Use chassis of tank ( without turret ) or APC and convert to missile launcher. With
updated Toophan TV guided. Attack from bunker at foothill of mountain into flat land of
tank and at short range ( 10 km max ). Deploy smoke and return to base under cover of
smoke. Keep tracked vehicle because cheap. Bigger vehicle allow upto 8 Toophan. Crew of
3 or 4 allow salvo shooting. There is enough armour against 30 mm and 50 cal and shrapnel
of unguided rocket of helicopter. Smoke provide cover against everything if wind is right
! Can be done in next 1-2 years. Cost low to medium. Main cost is bunkers. Smoke
generation equipment and update of Toophan relatively cheaper .Effectiveness and outcome
medium.

(2) Build completely new plastic chassis ( smaller vehicle ) with attack from open position
in desert under camo. Use kevlar and composite for armour. Use Kornet or Spiral missile.
Use solid rubber tyre to be quiet. Have electric drive for attack. Range of operation
bigger as no need for bunker. Use 2 missile per vehicle. Or two man crew. More research
needed into kevlar and composite against 30 mm and 50 cal. Cost of new vehicles and buying
foriegn missile higher. Effectiveness and outcome higher pending effectiveness and cost of
new armour.

(3) Sink more money into research for unmanned ground vehicle. With unknown outcome  at
unknown time. May be we end up with something really good in what number of years ? With
high risk and high capital needed. 

Let us call (1) a "Missile Tank". I suggest the following features for new turret less
"Missile Tank".

1) The tank's armor has to be made of metal alloy, but covered by Stealth plastic to hide
it from enemy Air Plane's Radar.

2) Missile Tank is heavy tank, so it can not use Electric Engine. It can be easily detected
in Infra Red Thermal spectrum by enemy's Air Planes.

3) Features that will be removed from "Missile Tank" to make it lighter and have faster
speed.

- Main Tank's Gun.
(Because Sabot rounds can not penetrate the latest tanks armor. Missile pods will be used
instead of Main Tank's Gun).

- Turret with Crew.
(Crew will sit in tank's body. This position offers more protection. Turret will be
robotic, without the crew. Smaller robotic turret size will reduce turret's armor weight).

- Autoloading mechanism in tank's turret.
(Missiles do not need to be auto loaded into missile pods. Missiles are always in the
pods.)

- Tank Commander.
(Tank Commander will become Optional second gunner. To man a tank's machine gun + grenade
launcher. Optimal tank crew is 2 people, driver and first gunner. Seat of second gunner is there but empty).

4) Features that will be added to Missile Tank to make it more lethal.

- Anti Infantry grenade launcher. Added to tank's machine gun.
(To suppress enemy's infantry by 40 mm HE rounds).

- Horizontal Missile pods. Attached on top of tank's robotic turret. 20 missile pods.
(2 missiles can be placed in 1 pod. It is called Metal Storm technology. So 20 missile pods
will carry 40 missiles. Both HEAT and HE type.)

- Laser guiding systems, Thermal scanners, paired. Attached on 3 extendable masts. (Laser
guidence is used to guide the missiles. Missiles can also be launched in guidless mode.
Thermal scanner is used by gunners and driver to detect targets).

- Vertical Missile pods. Attached in vertical position to tank's body. Used as small
version of S-300 Anti Air missiles.
(At least 4 (2 on the left, 2 on the right side of tank) Anti Air missiles are placed into
tank's body to defend against enemy's Air Planes. Range is 80 kilometers).

- Small Phased Array Radar. Extendable from tank's body behind the turret.
(80 kilometers range of detection. Can detect enemy's Air Planes and tanks).

- Advanced Multi Layer Armor. Advance Armor will protect tank from all directions equally.
Top, bottom, sides, front. Advanced Armor is the heaviest feature of Missile Tank.
(ERA, (Steel + Ceramic + Plastic + Titan) x 4. Multi Layers repeated 4 times. Tank's bottom is V-shaped, reduces blast power of IED and anti tank mine. Tank's bottom is also armored by Multi Layer Armor.)

- Special Forces compartment.
(Diesel Engine is at front of tank. Crew sits in the middle. At the back of tank sits a
Special Forces squad. 4 people. So Missile Tank can act as APC. The door to enter the tank
is at the back, for both crew and Special Forces squad).

- 4 tank's trucks (instead of 2). 2 on each side.
(Increases tank's mobility in wet terrain. Also small door between trucks allow side access
for tank's crew).

- 3 Active Defence Systems. 1 on each side. 1 on top of the tank to defend against Air Plane's missiles that hit from above.
(Large shotgun round is fired from small gun to destroy incoming ATGM and RPG missiles).

- Forward Road Radar that searches for IEDs and anti tank mines.
(Small Radar attached at front of tank searches for metal IEDs and anti tank mines planted on the road. Warning the driver if threat is found).

That is all for now.

Here is similar tank's pictures I downloaded from Internet. Add missile pods on top of
turret. Remove Main Tank's Gun. You will see what I described above.