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Re: Interesting Iranian MRLS from the Iran-Iraq war.
« Reply #25 on: April 28, 2012, 02:03:43 PM »
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Quote from: mustavaris on April 27, 2012, 02:45:28 AM
In the future laser guided missiles are past. In fact, they are already becoming...


I think maybe they will be satellite guided in the future,
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Re: Interesting Iranian MRLS from the Iran-Iraq war.
« Reply #26 on: April 28, 2012, 04:13:22 PM »
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Quote from: M-ATF on April 27, 2012, 05:57:56 AM
This MRLS and memories of inventor of this MRLS reminded me to MRLS Sayyad armored vehicle:



In this article:
http://www.iranmilitaryforum.net/land-forces/interesting-article-about-self-sufficiency-activities-of-land-force(recommended)/

It is said, one of the six types of Sayyad is designed and built to confront "rows of vehicles" ("ستون های خودرویی") , I think MLRS version of Sayyad has been built based on the Idea of this 122 mm MRLS (a miniature version of it) for the mentioned purpose (destruction of rows of vehicles).


If I'm not mistaking these are vehicle mounted version of the 70mm unguided rockets used by the Iran Army Aviation (Havaniruz) helicopters, they're mainly intended for short range anti-materiel, anti-personnel, and suppression missions. However if Iran consider (I think it must) to produce a modern version of these rockets like the U.S Navy version "The Fire & Forget Guided Imaging Rocket" , they could be highly accurate and deadly multi role (Anti helicopter & low flying aircraft, top attack Anti armor etc..) rockets.
The U.S Navy has developed this system to counter the IRGC fast attack boats;

Low-Cost Imaging Terminal Seeker (LCITS) Small | Large

However, if Iran equipped it's fast boats with it's own similar but longer range system, the IRGC could neutralize the attacking choppers before they posed any danger!

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Re: Interesting Iranian MRLS from the Iran-Iraq war.
« Reply #27 on: April 28, 2012, 06:42:28 PM »
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Quote from: RG on April 28, 2012, 04:13:22 PM
If I'm not mistaking these are vehicle mounted version of the 70mm unguided rockets used by the Iran Army Aviation (Havaniruz) helicopters, they're mainly intended for short range anti-materiel, anti-personnel, and suppression missions. However if Iran consider (I think it must) to produce a modern version of these rockets like the U.S Navy version "The Fire & Forget Guided Imaging Rocket" , they could be highly accurate and deadly multi role (Anti helicopter & low flying aircraft, top attack Anti armor etc..) rockets.
The U.S Navy has developed this system to counter the IRGC fast attack boats;

However, if Iran equipped it's fast boats with it's own similar but longer range system, the IRGC could neutralize the attacking choppers before they posed any danger!
Cheers.

The Imaging infrared seekers are a problem. I still did not have a clue that Iran is producing them... needless to say at low cost.
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Re: Interesting Iranian MRLS from the Iran-Iraq war.
« Reply #28 on: April 28, 2012, 08:01:33 PM »
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Missiles like NLAW we use are fire and forget systems. Optic/magnetic.

Quote from: Numbers on April 28, 2012, 02:19:02 AM
Please explain what is substitute for Laser Guided Missiles?

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Re: Interesting Iranian MRLS from the Iran-Iraq war.
« Reply #29 on: April 29, 2012, 06:46:21 AM »
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Quote from: RG on April 26, 2012, 02:11:40 AM

Artillery commander, first Lieutenant (at the time photo taken) Yunes massum zadeh, graduated from Iranian Army Command and General Staff University as well as the Tehran Mechanical Engineering University.
He was the commander of an artillery rocket unit in Khuzestan (Southern front) at the beginning of the war.

Here's part of his war memories in relation to the his above invent:In the (Persian) article he is referred as "Timsar" which is a title rank used for addressing Generals in Persian, but it doesn't specify his exact rank, also it's not clear whether he's still on active duty or retired.

P.S. I met a war veteran here in Toronto, who told me about this officer and his unique tank killer Katusha who stopped advancing Iraqi tanks, with direct fire, in a mountain pass somewhere in Central-West front (where he was stationed) a few years before the end of war.

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 8)

Thanks for sharing...
great story... 
wow history of that awesome looking weapon system...
again thank you for sharing...
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Re: Interesting Iranian MRLS from the Iran-Iraq war.
« Reply #30 on: April 29, 2012, 03:46:08 PM »
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Would be an interesting modelling subject.

 I guess its not preserved...
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Re: Interesting Iranian MRLS from the Iran-Iraq war.
« Reply #31 on: May 01, 2012, 09:50:37 PM »
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Quote from: Simple Bubba on April 29, 2012, 06:46:21 AM
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Thanks for sharing...
great story... 
wow history of that awesome looking weapon system...
again thank you for sharing...

You're very welcome.

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Re: Interesting Iranian MRLS from the Iran-Iraq war.
« Reply #32 on: May 03, 2012, 12:58:59 AM »
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Quote from: mustavaris on April 28, 2012, 08:01:33 PM
Missiles like NLAW we use are fire and forget systems. Optic/magnetic.

Like US Javelin Anti Tank Guided Missile (ATGM).
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Re: Interesting Iranian MRLS from the Iran-Iraq war.
« Reply #33 on: May 03, 2012, 07:40:28 PM »
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Yes, but NLAW is much lighter (12 kg vs over 20 kg) and cheaper system (20 000€ vs over 30 000€ per missile and around 100 000€ for each launcher). NLAW has shorter range, but that 600m is perfect for us... those missiles would make this country a graveyard of invading enemy armour. Every infantry brigade will be (partially is) armed with them. Aim-click-kill.. aww...  no MBT, even with ERA will endure top attack missile with 500+ RHA penetration. Not now, not any time soon. Blind the optics it will still fly the predetermined path and explode using the magnetic sensor..

That is still the future of most of the militaries. And we are moving forward... laser is old skool.

Quote from: Numbers on May 03, 2012, 12:58:59 AM
Like US Javelin Anti Tank Guided Missile (ATGM).

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Re: Interesting Iranian MRLS from the Iran-Iraq war.
« Reply #34 on: May 03, 2012, 08:10:06 PM »
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Quote from: mustavaris on May 03, 2012, 07:40:28 PM
Yes, but NLAW is much lighter (12 kg vs over 20 kg) and cheaper system (20 000€ vs over 30 000€ per missile and around 100 000€ for each launcher). NLAW has shorter range, but that 600m is perfect for us... those missiles would make this country a graveyard of invading enemy armour. Every infantry brigade will be (partially is) armed with them. Aim-click-kill.. aww...  no MBT, even with ERA will endure top attack missile with 500+ RHA penetration. Not now, not any time soon. Blind the optics it will still fly the predetermined path and explode using the magnetic sensor..

That is still the future of most of the militaries. And we are moving forward... laser is old skool.

what kind of seeker it has? and how can a top attack penetrate armour?  I saw that it explodes above the tank and does not directly hit it.. right?
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Re: Interesting Iranian MRLS from the Iran-Iraq war.
« Reply #35 on: May 03, 2012, 08:22:33 PM »
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It has dual seeker; optic tracking and magnetic for detonation. If it loses the guidance (optical), it will fly the (updated) predetermined path and the missile will detonate above the target according to the magnetic sensor. It has EFP or shaped charge warhead (not sure which one), shooting the projectile downwards. Direct attack mode is also available if needed.

This is what 80mm RHA penetration by EFP means: What NLAW does is x8+ times more and from above.



These are killers... Finnish military has fielded EFP off route mines since early 1980s. I guess most of you heard about those nasties during the late phase of Iraqi operation.  And EFP anti tank mines since the same time too.


Quote from: the8march on May 03, 2012, 08:10:06 PM
what kind of seeker it has? and how can a top attack penetrate armour?  I saw that it explodes above the tank and does not directly hit it.. right?
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Re: Interesting Iranian MRLS from the Iran-Iraq war.
« Reply #36 on: May 05, 2012, 02:44:18 AM »
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Quote from: mustavaris on May 03, 2012, 07:40:28 PM
even with ERA will endure top attack missile with 500+ RHA penetration. Not now, not any time soon. Blind the optics it will still fly the predetermined path and explode using the magnetic sensor..

That is still the future of most of the militaries. And we are moving forward... laser is old skool.

Is this Anti Tank Guided Missile (ATGM) seeker Infrared or Nightvision?
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Re: Interesting Iranian MRLS from the Iran-Iraq war.
« Reply #37 on: May 05, 2012, 08:54:50 AM »
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NLAW is night capable system, but I do not know what wave length it operates in. I would GUESS that the seeker is IR, because the price is too low for thermal imaging.

Quote from: Numbers on May 05, 2012, 02:44:18 AM
Is this Anti Tank Guided Missile (ATGM) seeker Infrared or Nightvision?
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Interesting Iranian MRLS from the Iran-Iraq war.
« Reply #38 on: May 05, 2012, 01:32:05 PM »
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Made some research on the NLAW.. there is no real seaker in there.. it has only proximity fuses ( optical and magnetic) ... the launcher has the night vision thermal camera or a day camera... the operator has to track the target for 3 seconds.. the missile will then know where the target is and its speed... it will then be fired.. Its inertial guidance will guide it to the expected target position... the proximity fuses will arm the missile...

This would only work for short distances ... thats why its max. range is 600 m.
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Re: Interesting Iranian MRLS from the Iran-Iraq war.
« Reply #39 on: May 06, 2012, 07:17:58 PM »
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That΄s actually right, my bad. It does not have real seeker and that explains much of the price, but the optic/magnetic fuse and the modern electronics that guide the missile in combinationwith short range and speed secure the hit in most situations. In test conditions it has been shown to be more accurate than the regular wire/laser guided ATGWs with a fraction of the cost. And in our case, we are talking about a weapon used by the infantry ATWs. Dedicated AT-units have EURO-Spikes and still (I believe) some TOWs.

Quote from: the8march on May 05, 2012, 01:32:05 PM
Made some research on the NLAW.. there is no real seaker in there.. it has only proximity fuses ( optical and magnetic) ... the launcher has the night vision thermal camera or a day camera... the operator has to track the target for 3 seconds.. the missile will then know where the target is and its speed... it will then be fired.. Its inertial guidance will guide it to the expected target position... the proximity fuses will arm the missile...

This would only work for short distances ... thats why its max. range is 600 m.
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Re: Interesting Iranian MRLS from the Iran-Iraq war.
« Reply #40 on: May 07, 2012, 02:59:28 AM »
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Quote from: the8march on May 05, 2012, 01:32:05 PM
Made some research on the NLAW.. there is no real seaker in there.. it has only proximity fuses ( optical and magnetic) ... the launcher has the night vision thermal camera or a day camera... the operator has to track the target for 3 seconds.. the missile will then know where the target is and its speed... it will then be fired.. Its inertial guidance will guide it to the expected target position... the proximity fuses will arm the missile...

This would only work for short distances ... thats why its max. range is 600 m.

So laser beam riding Anti Tank Guided Missile still has much bigger range. Like 5,000 meters.
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