Author Topic: iran sacred defence week 2011 (Read 6301 times)

YMJ · « **Reply #100 on:** September 25, 2011, 08:30:01 AM »

Quote from: Catsoo on September 25, 2011, 04:12:25 AM

Talk about poor design:

Catsoo

Catsoo,

what's the problem with the design?

stormbringa · « **Reply #101 on:** September 25, 2011, 09:03:30 AM »

expended cartridge cases would rain down on driver and co-driver when that minigun is fired. also, tires, wheels and rims are joke, taken from the passenger car and having 4 screws, no gun installation for co-driver, zero protection from enemy fire and so on...except for the gun, nothing on this vehicle looks military-grade, but rather garage-made.

YMJ · « **Reply #102 on:** September 25, 2011, 09:19:18 AM »

Quote from: stormbringa on September 25, 2011, 09:03:30 AM

expended cartridge cases would rain down on driver and co-driver when that minigun is fired. also, tires, wheels and rims are joke, taken from the passenger car and having 4 screws, no gun installation for co-driver, zero protection from enemy fire and so on...except for the gun, nothing on this vehicle looks military-grade, but rather garage-made.

There must be some use to it or is this some sort of prototype?

stormbringa · « **Reply #103 on:** September 25, 2011, 09:54:24 AM »

I doubt there is any use for it.

for example, the british are replacing their so called 'death-trap' land rovers in afghanistan and that vehicle is a half of light year ahead of this dumpster with minigun, with all due respect. but still, both suffer from the same illness: poor mobility and poor protection.

this is the replacement:

so the current trend is all-round protection from small arms, v-shaped hull, better mobility and stuff like that.

YMJ · « **Reply #104 on:** September 25, 2011, 10:10:31 AM »

Quote from: stormbringa on September 25, 2011, 09:54:24 AM

I doubt there is any use for it.

Therefore it must be a prototype.

I thought it looks pretty mobile. Looks very light, suspension is quit high but the wheels are small. I wonder if they are the type of tires which can run on flats.

It really does look like a death trap, no armor what so ever for the driver, passenger or gunman.

I'm wondering why they would build such a vehicle if there is no use for it.

stormbringa · « **Reply #105 on:** September 25, 2011, 12:08:57 PM »

I figure it was designed by some very motivated guys from their own self-sufficiency drive, in some irgc garage, from parts and materials at hand, rather than is built respecting modern military standards or using design specification that is based on true requirements from the units in field.
But that does not mean that shown design will not evolve over time into something serious.

M-ATF · « **Reply #106 on:** September 25, 2011, 02:10:58 PM »

USA produces such vehicles too, They call them DPV(Desert Patrol Vehicle), LSV (Light Strike Vehicle) or FAV (Fast Attack Vehicle)

YMJ · « **Reply #107 on:** September 25, 2011, 02:38:40 PM »

Quote from: stormbringa on September 25, 2011, 12:08:57 PM

But that does not mean that shown design will not evolve over time into something serious.

That is very true. So this prototype, what use does it have? As M-ATF pointed out it can be used for desert patrol, just like the above vehicle in the states, but under what situations?

It can not be used in a conventional war, maybe against some drug smugglers or terrorist groups.

stormbringa · « **Reply #108 on:** September 25, 2011, 03:16:27 PM »

It can be used in not too many missions. this vehicle, like others, although it has intimidating mad-max looks, can only fire straight ahead. its frontal arc of fire is quite limited to the sides. its flanks and rear are exposed, unprotected and are not covered with its own firepower. so if someone attacked these guys from behind, or from either side, like an ambush, they would be seriously unprotected and worse - not able to return fire until the driver turned entire vehicle face in front of the enemy fire. therefore its not so good for patrols in known hostile areas, it could end up beaten, like nato patrols in helmand and worse. but on the side of advantages, it could be good for raids across desert, long range observation, intelligence gathering, directing airstrikes, conducting electronic warfare, and for moving around fast, while avoiding the main roads.

M-ATF · « **Reply #109 on:** September 25, 2011, 03:36:29 PM »

USA used DPV on Gulf War.

accoridng to wiki LSV is used in United States Marine Corps, United States Army, United States Navy, and the armed forces of Greece, Mexico, Oman, Portugal, and Spain.

This is Spider LSV of singapore :

Ratthon Hydra :

other LSV's :

Catsoo · « **Reply #110 on:** September 25, 2011, 03:43:30 PM »

YMJ,

Aside from what others have written, the photo in my post depicts a desert vehicle with ridiculously small diameter tires. I am assuming these vehicles are only good for fast desert patrol and not much else as the recent wars have shown. These vehicles must have larger tires so they don't get stuck in the soft sand.

Catsoo

Catsoo · « **Reply #111 on:** September 25, 2011, 06:03:58 PM »

What has been missing in the parades:

1- S-300

2- The latest self propelled Iranian canon mounted on a truck which was which was publicized a bout a year ago!

Can anyone add more to this list? Is there any photos to prove otherwise?

Catsoo

ahriman46 · « **Reply #112 on:** September 25, 2011, 08:49:03 PM »

some small arse vehicle

PERSPOLIS · « **Reply #113 on:** September 25, 2011, 10:49:05 PM »

i found some info on this

http://www.military.ir/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=17837#203162

Eagle2009 · « **Reply #114 on:** September 26, 2011, 12:38:21 AM »

Great Find!

Here are the specifications per the article:

Weight- 3 tons
Length- 3 meters
Width- 2.06 meters
Height- 1.25 meters, 1.85 meters with Turret
Crew- 3 (not sure if they mean Crew+ 3 passengers or 3 people total)
Armament- 73mm cannon, 11 rounds
Speed- 75km/hr
Development Period- 1365-1369

Now the article says the cannon is from the BMP-1 but the images show it is actually a SPG-9 recoilles rifle (for which the BMP-1's turret is based around).

IMO, this design is from the Iran-Iraq War as others have suggested. It's small size meant it would easy to transport and wouldn't need a very powerful engine and likely has thin armor, making it easy and cheap to produce. The weapon it uses its simple but effective, capable of taking out most of the tanks in Iraq's army at the time (T-55 variants). I'd guess it was meant to be used in large scale assaults against Iraqi troops where it could utilize it's speed and small size to outmanuever Iraqi Armored units and help level the armor disparity between the Iraqi and Iranian forces.

A pretty interesting and ingenius design IMO, simplicity at it's finest!

Eagle2009 · « **Reply #115 on:** September 26, 2011, 01:16:04 AM »

Something interesting I just noticed from the images from that site..

Firstly, the image PERSPOLIS posted has the same track design as the vehicle on parade while the other images uses a different track design.

Secondly, the vehicle on parade has 3 roadwheels while the vehicle from the site (the one with the odd paintjob) has 4 roadwheels and looks VERY similar to the Sayyad AFV in design.

I am thinking the vehicle on parade was the original design and this is the originals of the Sayyad. However it's odd that the source site shows images of what are apparently two different (but likely related) vehicles.

sya-k · « **Reply #116 on:** September 26, 2011, 04:20:48 AM »

Quote from: M-ATF on September 24, 2011, 09:04:52 AM

Some armored vehicle built by Jihad Sazandegi , photographed by LAST-WAR at military.ir in Isfahan(seems they were built during war):

its look like the armored half track used by the nazi in ww2...the Sd.Kfz. 251...it was the best half track ever built during ww2...maybe the iranian examine the nazi weapon and tried to improved it...as we know all the modern weapons today like medium tanks and jet fighter were based on nazi weapons technology after ww2...

aryana · « **Reply #117 on:** September 26, 2011, 05:53:04 AM »

Quote from: sya-k on September 26, 2011, 04:20:48 AM

its look like the armored half track used by the nazi in ww2...the Sd.Kfz. 251...it was the best half track ever built during ww2...maybe the iranian examine the nazi weapon and tried to improved it...as we know all the modern weapons today like medium tanks and jet fighter were based on nazi weapons technology after ww2...

Aryana, stop flaming! If you can't express yourself in words just don't say anything, period! Using smileys the way you did does not do anything but flame other members and in the end derail the thread.

I removed your smileys!

Catsoo

Chacko-T · « **Reply #118 on:** October 08, 2011, 11:50:16 AM »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4sAs-K_-IA

Apollyon · « **Reply #119 on:** October 18, 2011, 09:31:37 AM »

Quote from: M-ATF on September 25, 2011, 03:36:29 PM

other LSV's :

why is there a light-bar on that one?

comandantecarlos · « **Reply #120 on:** October 18, 2011, 05:14:37 PM »

This is one beautiful model. But the tires still needs work.