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Offline mamdali

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Re: Iran inaugurated production line of "Dehlavieh" anti armor weapon
« Reply #200 on: July 22, 2012, 02:19:10 PM »
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Dehlavieh uses for control surfaces in the rear. Looking at pictures, every singe of these wing lets are wider than the diameter of the missile. My question is, how these wing lets fit in the launching tube even folded? take a look:

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The only way *I* can explain this is if the fins are flexible and they wrap around the tail section which, incidentally, is narrower than the main body.

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« Reply #201 on: July 22, 2012, 05:31:59 PM »
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mamdali,

That can't be due to possible material rebound properties and fatigue. remember these missiles can be stored for years!


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Re: Iran inaugurated production line of "Dehlavieh" anti armor weapon
« Reply #202 on: July 22, 2012, 05:51:18 PM »
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« Reply #203 on: July 22, 2012, 06:10:19 PM »
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Comandantecarlos,

Thanks! So each fin is made of two very flexible skins that bend and wrap the body. Never seen that before. Very, very interesting!!!


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« Reply #204 on: August 23, 2012, 10:13:14 AM »
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Here is the video that was posted in first page, but was unviewable.

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« Reply #205 on: August 29, 2012, 03:29:37 AM »
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Is iran going to mass produce Javelin ?

http://www.defazamini.ir/pages/news-3047

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Re: Iran inaugurated production line of "Dehlavieh" anti armor weapon
« Reply #206 on: August 29, 2012, 04:04:46 AM »
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Is iran going to mass produce Javelin ?

http://www.defazamini.ir/pages/news-3047


what's that brother? I cannot read Persian very well.
Iran has the jevelin ?

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« Reply #207 on: August 29, 2012, 08:15:42 PM »
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Some video about the Javelin,

Ultimate Weapons- The Javelin

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Re: Iran inaugurated production line of "Dehlavieh" anti armor weapon
« Reply #208 on: August 29, 2012, 09:46:58 PM »
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what's that brother? I cannot read Persian very well.
Iran has the jevelin ?
It's an article about the Javelin in Persian. Nothing but general information about the Javelin system.

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Re: Iran inaugurated production line of "Dehlavieh" anti armor weapon
« Reply #209 on: August 29, 2012, 09:57:06 PM »
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It's an article about the Javelin in Persian. Nothing but general information about the Javelin system.

Cheers.

The way he said "is Iran gonna mass produce javelin" I though Iran has made one.

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« Reply #210 on: January 11, 2013, 02:50:15 PM »
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« Reply #211 on: January 11, 2013, 05:01:12 PM »
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Its good to have self sufficiency, in regard  of semi automatic  guided ATGMs, but engeeniring NLOS missile systems, should be next in the agenda, since given systems, are providing oportunity for striking, enemy small vessels, and armoured units, on their way to front line   from over 20 km range
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« Reply #212 on: January 11, 2013, 05:22:23 PM »
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someone says this thing copycat of tow missile with laser guided 
« Last Edit: February 04, 2013, 10:09:25 AM by ilham »
stand with rosul and ahlul bait

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« Reply #213 on: January 11, 2013, 05:34:04 PM »
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This is russian "kornet", but if its production mastered via technology transfer or reverse engineering  I dont know. Its guided with laser beam

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« Reply #214 on: January 11, 2013, 05:56:03 PM »
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sorry , the tow missile is thoopan .... :D

http://www.iranmilitaryforum.net/land-forces/toophan-atgm/

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« Reply #215 on: January 14, 2013, 09:27:24 PM »
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First of all congratulations to the great technical achievement of Iranian engineers - this is very important you are mass producing the best "price vs. performance" ratio anti tank weapon in the world and the strongest warhead anti-tank weapon of all times - wow!!!

No single Kornet was ever used in the last Lebanon conflict - it was mainly old good Konkurz missiles used and some Metist-M and I repeat NO Kornets.

I spoke to the chief designer of the Lutch Ukrainian company who designed Ukrainian Skiff missile similar to the Kornet and he confessed that Kornet has the best warhead in the world - he was speaking about his main competitor!

Active protection system with sub-munition and millimetric radar can take out any missile (and its own infantry around the tank too...) coming at it including Javelin and Kornet. :( How many such a systems does US have? O (zero) NONE....

Kornet can take Abrams turret from the front - I mean penetrate it and kill the crew by the overpressure created by the super hot high pressure gasses filling the tanks interior - Russian tested it on the samples captured by Spetcnaz in Afghanistan. It means Kornet can destroy Abrams M1A2 at any angle at any place on its surface - this is why Iran has chosen it - they are not stupid.

Everything said about the Abrams applies to Merkava as well...

Kornet has two switchable warheads tandem anti tank HEAT and anti-personnel thermobaric warhead to stop the confusion. Anti tank HEAT warhead is useless against people in opened space, even if it explodes1m from you it does not have to harm you at all it is directed energy weapon with the beam diameter only 1cm.

One Javelin (200.000-400.000Euro - big quantity ordered defines the lower price) missile cost as 20-40 (Twenty -Forty) Kornet (10.000 Euro) missiles....

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« Reply #216 on: January 15, 2013, 04:49:17 AM »
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One Javelin (200.000-400.000Euro - big quantity ordered defines the lower price) missile cost as 20-40 (Twenty -Forty) Kornet (10.000 Euro) missiles....


The funny thing is that the same capitalist upper class that agitates constantly for war in the US, also bleeds the Americans dry by charging such high rates for weapons. And the sheep blindly cheer for their army and their wars.

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« Reply #217 on: January 15, 2013, 06:30:19 AM »
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Wyndom

Thanx for the post i found the info
very interesting

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« Reply #218 on: January 15, 2013, 08:14:10 AM »
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No single Kornet was ever used in the last Lebanon conflict - it was mainly old good Konkurz missiles used and some Metist-M and I repeat NO Kornets.


Kornet was used in Lebanon in 2006 ... Israel also captured some of them as you can see in this photo


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« Reply #219 on: January 15, 2013, 05:11:16 PM »
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I know this picture and I took them for granted but...

My uncle is carpenter and I have a Canon 400D. So to do such a picture I need aprox. 200Euro and 4 hours of time... Dragunov rifle costs 400Euro in my country so to put them around... I recommend to study Winston Churchill works on the war propaganda and war lies...

I repeat - I spoke ( I am extremely good - not my opinion Russian tell me - in Russian language among the others) to the manufacturer of this weapons very often (almost every f..king day).  I consulted specifically this photos with Tula guys and they claim they did not deliver this weapons to anybody who would give them to Hezbollah at that time (Syrian pieces were under such a control by Russian themselves that it could not be given to anybody without them knowing it they were all checked after the conflict no single missile was missing otherwise Tula would be embargoed for gods sake! Have you ever heard the term End user certificate at least?), that is a hard fact of life for me not some picture...  They even explained me why is it fake they were laughing about some details of the writings on the boxes...

All my life experience gives me all the reasons to trust them.
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« Reply #220 on: January 15, 2013, 05:36:13 PM »
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did those guys in Tula know that Iran is copying their best missile? :D

believe what ever you want, but Syria gave Hezbollah the kornets during the war .. this is confirmed by israel as well as by Hezbollah ... There are also some photos of the launchers during the war ... i also have seen a launcher in a Hezbollah exhibition ... even Russians were happy to see their missile doing good against Merkavas


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« Reply #221 on: January 15, 2013, 06:28:12 PM »
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did those guys in Tula know that Iran is copying their best missile? :D

Russia probably sold the blueprints  ;)  Lately Iran adopted a smart strategy - instead of buying equipment, they are buying tech under license or simply blueprints. Many, many examples of it. I wouldnt be the least surprised if even Bavar-373 has S-300 (or HQ-18) tech in it.

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Re: Iran inaugurated production line of "Dehlavieh" anti armor weapon
« Reply #222 on: January 23, 2013, 05:59:44 AM »
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Active protection system with sub-munition and millimetric radar can take out any missile (and its own infantry around the tank too...) coming at it including Javelin and Kornet. :( How many such a systems does US have? O (zero) NONE....

What will happen to Kornet Anti Tank Guided Missile if Israel deploys Merkava tanks with "Trophy" Active Protection System (APS)?

I think all Anti Tank Guided Missiles can be intercepted by APS.

That means Missile manufacturers will have to come up with new Missile technology (currently unknown) to counter APS.

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« Reply #223 on: January 29, 2013, 03:31:29 PM »
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Trophy will stop any missile coming at it. Unless it is jammed than it can do nothing.

Yes I believe that pictures of the Kornet boxes is propaganda to excuse the heavy damages inducted by relatively old Konkurz and Metists missiles on Merkava tanks during the last conflict in Lebanon. Or you think that U.S. and Israeli taxpayers would be happy if someone told them that those losses were caused by 30 years old missiles after all billions invested into the Merkava? C'mon... So the story is we built perfect tank but bad Russians gave them these super-missiles.... Look we have the pictures - who cares that there is no missile on the picture! Hahahaha....

Regarding copying the Kornets by Iran. They can copy it but it will not have the same parameters as original because to repeat the chemical reaction that would lead to the same quality product of the rocket engine and warhead you need super detailed receipt which is not attached to the missile or it is not written on its box! Americans could not re - produce standard Russian Antonovitch plastic explosive (made first in 1941!!!) despite they had tons of Russian ammunition filled with it over the last 50 years. Until some fucker from the factory has sold them the receipt in 1991...
 
I believe that Iranians bought the Konkurz system license from Russians and that is all mystery...
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« Reply #224 on: February 01, 2013, 04:39:44 PM »
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Trophy will stop any missile coming at it. Unless it is jammed than it can do nothing.

Not if you over whelm it:
Dehlavieh is being used on different platforms, when used on AFVs, Iran can arm the AFV with an auto cannon with a range matching that of Dahlavieh's. This auto cannon (35mm Oerlikon or 40mm Bofors) can cleanup all electronic and visual surveillance equipments on the tank including the IR sensors, periscopes, cameras, radar...etc, thus making the tank virtually blind. Not to mention the 35 or 40mm rounds alone can overwhelm the Trophy's radar before destroying it.


Where the auto canon can't be used, such as light vehicles or infantry, a cheaper rocket could be used as precursor to activate the Trophy milliseconds before Dehlavieh entered Trophy's effective range, thus leaving no time for Trophy to reset itself after shooting at precursor rocket.
A Hydra 70mm rocket is best candidate platform for this concept. Iran can make a laser guided version of it with speed and flight characteristics that match those of  Dehlavieh's. On the Safir type vehicles dehlavieh launcher could be coupled with the launcher of this guided precursor and synchronized the way that after the gunner pulls Dehlaviah's trigger, the 70mm precursor launches milliseconds before Dehlavieh, and therefore opening a window of opportunity for Dehlavieh to hit the tank before the Trophy reset itself from it's first interception.
Similar arrangement can be used by foot soldiers but with each launcher (Dehlavieh and precursor) carried separately for ease of transportation on foot.
Another benefit of having a guided precursor is that you can preserve the precious Dehlavieh for difficult MBTs like the M-1 and Leopard and using the cheaper 70mm missile on softer targets such as APC's, trucks or low flying helicopters.

Cheers.

 

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