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Are they in mass production already?

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The image of the interior doesn't look for me as if it is new... looks more like an old prototype.. old chairs, surfaces with bad finish ... The wheeled version shows some kind of a V-shaped structure but the tracked one has nearly flat vertical sides making it an easy target for RPG-7s that may not penetrate it but easily disable it

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This is interesting too:


Last Edit: January 11, 2012, 03:52:51 AM by M-ATF

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^^ hezbollah sneak attacks right there, I tell you what!
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The more I look ate these two armored carriers the more I am convinced they are for insurgent warfare for East of Iran.

The four wheeler does not comply with today standards. The tracked vehicle does not offer anything new in Iranian armed forces assets.


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I see them more at the bordercontroll in the east plains an deserts. The wheeled one with loopholes seems to be good there, can holding down greater groups or drug smugglers without having losses on borderpersonal. Seems to be fast, so can patrol greater area and together with a drone it can build a good team to protect the borders for standard purpose.
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These look like just troop carriers or command vehicle and offers protection from small arms fire, and I agree they are best suited for counter insurgency or kind operation that has been going on in the east and west of country though they do not look much, if you have read news of soldiers or sepah  that had been ambushed in the buses or in trucks in the east or west of country, then these two new addition make more sense and whoever design them obviously had an eye for speed and off road ability but not as  much as Tank or BMP, I think their real value is in border patrol and border stations with good speed on rough roads and unpaved rural roads plus that it gives a platoon of soldiers a platform to carry a bigger fire power and supply in the vast plains of eastern part of Iran.

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These look like just troop carriers or command vehicle and offers protection from small arms fire, and I agree they are best suited for counter insurgency or kind operation that has been going on in the east and west of country though they do not look much, if you have read news of soldiers or sepah  that had been ambushed in the buses or in trucks in the east or west of country, then these two new addition make more sense and whoever design them obviously had an eye for speed and off road ability but not as  much as Tank or BMP, I think their real value is in border patrol and border stations with good speed on rough roads and unpaved rural roads plus that it gives a platoon of soldiers a platform to carry a bigger fire power and supply in the vast plains of eastern part of Iran.


Has Iranian authorities ever heard of MRAPs? You know, they exist for such stuff. Not "pimped" BTR-60 and some other weird looking vehicle.











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Has Iranian authorities ever heard of MRAPs? You know, they exist for such stuff. Not "pimped" BTR-60 and some other weird looking vehicle.


First of all start to design, produce and build your own stuff and then start crapping out of your mouth...

I see lots of fancy vehicle in US and NATO´s disposal, but I dont see them stopping Taliban insurgency for example...
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First of all start to design, produce and build your own stuff and then start crapping out of your mouth...

I see lots of fancy vehicle in US and NATO´s disposal, but I dont see them stopping Taliban insurgency for example...
MRAPS don't stop insurgencies, they stop RPGs.


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MRAPS don't stop insurgencies, they stop RPGs.


I should get a marketing job.

lmao you douche of a bag, they don't stop IED's!
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MRAPS don't stop insurgencies, they stop RPGs.


I should get a marketing job.

lool I dont see them protecting your troops from insurgents rpg

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Thanks M-ATF, what would we do without you.

I could have sworn I saw a KAT-72 gunners sight in one of the T-72s in Maydayfire's video on another thread but I wasn't sure; its as clear as day in those screenshots though. I've never seen them on any of the T-72s on parade or in other exercises; it's about time if you ask me.

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Speaking in regard to doctrine, I wonder if the Sheni-dar is designed to replace Jeeps, transforming motorized infantry into proper mechanized infantry. It's not a dedicated scout vehicle and it's not an IFV like the BMP (lacking protection and armament), or a proper APC like the M113 or Boragh (lacking the ability to carry a full rifle squad). Judging from the video it can carry four infantryman with a vehicle commander and driver which is more-or-less closer in equivalence to a Jeep then it is to an M113.

The compromise in features and size may be a function of strategic mobility requirements which is a particularly compelling argument in light of it's description as an ultra-light, highly mobile vehicle by Fars News. The small size may point to it being used by air-mobile units in the same manner as the BMD-1 or the BTR-D (the first comparison I heard about the Sheni-dar was towards the BMD). I'm not sure of how big of a demand there is for such a vehicle though. There are other forms of mobility though; smaller vehicles use less fuel, are less maintenance intensive (as a general rule of thumb), and can go over more bridges/roads/tracks/etc then their larger counterparts can. I wouldn't underestimate the importance of being able to reduce the logistical footprint as much as possible.
 
Notably, it has a lot more headroom then the Boragh/BMP.

Mobility-wise, it's atypical that the shock absorbers should be fitted to the front two wheels sets of road wheels rather then the front and the back sets. Other then that, the running gear is pretty standard; the four road wheels are aluminum, have solid-rubber tires, and are relatively small. The suspension uses torsion-springs attached to the road wheels which is standard on tracked vehicles these days, though there does appear to be a fair amount of room in-between the road-wheels and the track-return-rollers above them, which in theory could mean that the suspension is soft but I think the small diameter of the road-wheels prevents this from being true in practice.


I think that the choice to go with a large windows (presumably bullet-resistance) instead of periscopes speaks volumes about the overall doctrine. Windows are going to cost less than sealed periscopes during production and over the lifetime of the vehicle. The downside to this is that it creates a huge ballistic window in the frontal arc. It's noteworthy that neither of these designs represent any significant improvement from Iran's past generation of indigenous armored vehicles (compared to, for instance, the gap in capability between the M113 and the M1126, or the BTR-60 and the BTR-80). In terms of engineering sophistication, it's at the same level as the Boragh which was being produced 15+ years ago.

Wish I knew what kind of engine was put in it.
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The Sarir on the other hand reminds me of a cross between a Rakhsh and a BTR-60. Compared to the Rakhsh, it has a larger engine, larger wheels, wider wheel-base, and a lower CoG, but it is still smaller and less expensive then a BTR - the most notable area of comparison being the number of wheels (four vs eight). Like the Sheni-dar, it's an APC-lite which might indicate that it's purpose might be the same - mechanize a rifle squad that otherwise be lacking any armor at all.

It's also worth pointing out that the 14.5 mm machine-gun is mounted in an awkward position directly over the seats which would make it difficult to use.
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Sepah does not yet seem to be equipped fully for armored night warfare.


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Thank you for good observation and explanation.


Commander who talks in video about wargames says : first we evaluated power of air force of enemy ,In second evaluation we evaluated power of  gorund forces of enemy and evaluated differences of our capabilities and power in the field of armored units with our enemy, next evaluation was about enemy's APC's, we evaluated APC's like Bradley, stryker , Amphibious GPV. Finnaly we designed three operations: Fixed Defence, Mobile Defence and Anti Heliborne.
Later night battle operations was discussed and despite it isnt in our approvals but was designed in armored university too.

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I guess these armored vehicles are designed and produced specially by IRGC.
Has Army any T-72?

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Has Iranian authorities ever heard of MRAPs? You know, they exist for such stuff. Not "pimped" BTR-60 and some other weird looking vehicle.

Cost Effectiveness is one of the most priorities in Iran military decisions. If you compare military budget of Iran and Threats against Iran with other countries and considering that Iran is working on weapons in all fields such as naval weapons, air force , ground forces, you can understand this principle.

Iran don't prepare itself for confrontation against small army like Armenia, but most powerful military, political and economical country of the world in addition to its allies, so alongside quality, cost effectiveness and quantity is important too.

Maybe I was wrong But I think in confrontation with US, armored vehicles aren't top priority for Iran and don't play main role. So differences of a beautiful, comfortable light armored vehicle with a simpler and cheaper armored vehicle doesn't affect very much on the battle. But I hope Iran works better on safety of its armored vehicles specially on light vehicles.

But we know for example Iran has worked relatively well on different types of anti-armored weapons , from cheap and simple guns and rockets to more sophisticated missiles and rockets. I guess they have plans to compensate their weakness in this field with designing good tactics too.

I think Iran and specially IRGC hadn't good experience with armored vehicles in Iran-Iraq war, armored vehicles hadn't main role in their operations and tactics, Maybe one of the reason was that they haven't enough or good armored vehicles like good MBT's. I guess this experience has affected on current decisions of Iran military commanders too.





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in the matf video he said we are producing t-72s.
is that true.
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in the matf video he said we are producing t-72s.
is that true.

Good question. If Iran can maintenance T72 with all parts and if Iran can upgrade the electronics and armor of T72 then, i suppose, Iran can say: We produce T72.

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IRGC armored units Small | Large

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thanks for sharing this video brother mayday,

Those mines are terrifying.

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Are these mines or smoke curtains? I tend to say they are smoke curtains to prevent anti tank missiles getting locked on to the tanks
(I dont understand what they say in the video)

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Are these mines or smoke curtains? I tend to say they are smoke curtains to prevent anti tank missiles getting locked on to the tanks
(I dont understand what they say in the video)

They look like explosives brother, just look at how high the dust shoots up.

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i suppose if need be it has both purposes, but probably mainly a hidden explosive field for when enemies are ontop.
This is what the us thinks it can do in iran.. you just got to laugh... no anti tank missiles from mountains, nothing.

i know its a game, but this is actually how easy some people think it would be.

Battlefield 3 | Thunder Run 8 minute gameplay trailer (2011)


Combine that with the mines, and anti tank missiles plus numerous other things.. you get a good picture.

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Interestingly the "Tracked APC" is very similar to Weisel ,German air-transportable AFV:



There are several types of this vehicle for several missions like anti tank, mobile radar, reconnaissance and ...
USA has ordered of them too.

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