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Re: Motor Bike Troops
« Reply #25 on: December 02, 2010, 10:39:49 AM »
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Quote from: MO_SOBOH on December 02, 2010, 10:20:11 AM
cost would be too much 4 something that can be targeted easily....

Well, if you make Bike Shield armor out of plastic it will be a Stealth Bike (visible only in Ifra Red Thermal scanner).

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+ ull need a big engine to carry all that as well and the balance wont be easy!

Yes. But cross country Bikes come with the bigger engines.
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Re: Motor Bike Troops
« Reply #26 on: December 02, 2010, 11:19:06 AM »
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Quote from: Barberry on December 01, 2010, 02:31:42 PM
Motorbikes are not born, Shirazi, they are made by private companies and bought by the Iranian military. As long as the colour is not of any value there will be no incentives to change it.

Yes, thanks for saying what i have said.

Quote from: MO_SOBOH on December 01, 2010, 02:44:54 PM
im sure the factory paints them red becasue these are the standard colours but some bikes in the pics have been painted by Iran as military bikes with camo, (I dont know if the actual factlry makes the colour camo or Iran personally made it. besides I like it original.

So then someone does paint them then, like i said, to which you obnoxiously objected to, only to say it again.
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Re: Motor Bike Troops
« Reply #27 on: December 02, 2010, 11:45:16 AM »
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The most interesting thing from pictures: Some soldiers wearing bullet proof vests.
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Re: Motor Bike Troops
« Reply #28 on: December 02, 2010, 12:46:28 PM »
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So then someone does paint them then, like i said, to which you obnoxiously objected to, only to say it again.
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I thought u were saying Iran painted them.... it wasnt an obnoxious objection, it was a misunderstanding.....  but as I can see ur blood boils to have an argument not worth having....  lets leave it at that!
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Re: Motor Bike Troops
« Reply #29 on: December 02, 2010, 04:34:05 PM »
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Quote from: Numbers on December 02, 2010, 10:09:02 AM
1) Can Iranian industries put some frontal and side plastic armor onto Bike for Driver and Gunner?
That would make it look more like US patrol police Bike.

2) Can they put weapons on the pod to make it fire from top Bike speed?
Here is pictures of proposed Bikes with mounted weapons.

As cool as that idea might sound, actually fighting from motor bikes is probably a bad idea because they're light, exposed and extremely unstable. You also really just cant mount weapons on them, it's too light of a platform. Then, who's going to operate the weapons, and not just fire them, but fire them on the move while sitting on the rear of a bouncing Honda dirt-bike.

They're much better suited as a Dragoon force that would transport their fighters quickly who then fight from dismount.
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Re: Motor Bike Troops
« Reply #30 on: December 02, 2010, 04:39:28 PM »
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During the imposed war, they were used for transportation. Nothing has changed since then, only now they also transport someone with a MANPAD. There are many areas in Iran that are difficult to pass or to reach, that is why motorbikes are very handy.
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Re: Motor Bike Troops
« Reply #31 on: December 03, 2010, 11:44:55 PM »
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PLEAAAAAAAAAAS bannn or trow the moterbikes out of the army
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Re: Motor Bike Troops
« Reply #32 on: December 04, 2010, 01:18:33 AM »
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they are good agains tanks to...
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Re: Motor Bike Troops
« Reply #33 on: December 04, 2010, 01:49:24 AM »
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Hezbollah uses similar bike troops, both for recon and attack & run, it's particularly useful on terrain such as in middle east
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Re: Motor Bike Troops
« Reply #34 on: December 04, 2010, 07:55:05 PM »
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Well I heard that Hizbullah uses bikes like these to transport katiusha missiles to the launcher.
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Re: Motor Bike Troops
« Reply #35 on: December 17, 2010, 11:54:12 PM »
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Quote from: ovz112 on December 03, 2010, 11:44:55 PM
PLEAAAAAAAAAAS bannn or trow the moterbikes out of the army

They are an outstanding way of fighting against large tank columns, asymetrically.

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Re: Motor Bike Troops
« Reply #36 on: March 01, 2011, 12:02:52 AM »
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I agree , these army bike is an excellent tactic against armour by swarming tactic.
The only addition I would make to them is an additional fuel tank for extra range.

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Re: Motor Bike Troops
« Reply #37 on: March 01, 2011, 03:36:08 AM »
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OK, lets assume these motor bikes are excellent against armored vehicles.  I sure as hell don't want to be the "Rambo" here.  I guess it is okey for some  brave souls (racing for a spot in heaven) to attack a battalion of tanks with some sort of shoulder fired missile on these bikes.  I just don't want to be the one doing it.  If I were the soldier, I would rather be sitting in some sort of tank, APC, or attack helicopter!!
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Re: Motor Bike Troops
« Reply #38 on: March 01, 2011, 12:37:29 PM »
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Quote from: Username on March 01, 2011, 03:36:08 AM
OK, lets assume these motor bikes are excellent against armored vehicles.  I sure as hell don't want to be the "Rambo" here.  I guess it is okey for some  brave souls (racing for a spot in heaven) to attack a battalion of tanks with some sort of shoulder fired missile on these bikes.  I just don't want to be the one doing it.  If I were the soldier, I would rather be sitting in some sort of tank, APC, or attack helicopter!!

I'd rather be on the motorbike. APCs, Tanks and Helicopters will be the first things that will go against a superior military.

Anyway as it has been said before, the Bikes are only there to transport troops, i.e. the Bike won't try to take out the tank by riding into it, it will take out the tank by going ahead of it and the soldiers will then dismount and set up in ambush positions.
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Re: Motor Bike Troops
« Reply #39 on: July 29, 2011, 12:12:57 AM »
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The motorcycle troops can travel fast around mountains and deserts and INTERCEPT  incoming enemy armour by firing anti-tank round at them . If enemy moving fast , then they have to move fast and when they set a trap they have to DIG A TRENCH  or sangar for themselves and the motorcycle . This trench need to be quite deep about 6 feet ( two meters ) and one meter wide and lenght should allow gentle slope into trench and out !

The digging of this trench take time , and maybe they don't have enough time to dig a good solid trench to hide and wait for tank ! So what if they already have a trench made of a tough plastic box buried in secret location and covered with earth ? All they have to do is arrive there and uncover top soil and cut through sealed plastic box with knife ? Then slide motorcycle into it using the slope of box ?

If tank change direction then motorcycle troop can go to nearby trench and quickly dig in ! This large plastic box can be made cheaply and it won't rot or deteriorate . It can be made in thousands of units and placed in valley between mountain or in lines across desert . Because it is plastic it is not seen by ground peneterating radar or metal detector . What you think ?

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Re: Motor Bike Troops
« Reply #40 on: July 29, 2011, 01:05:40 AM »
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Quote from: nomad on July 29, 2011, 12:12:57 AM
The motorcycle troops can travel fast around mountains and deserts and INTERCEPT  incoming enemy armour by firing anti-tank round at them . If enemy moving fast , then they have to move fast and when they set a trap they have to DIG A TRENCH  or sangar for themselves and the motorcycle . This trench need to be quite deep about 6 feet ( two meters ) and one meter wide and lenght should allow gentle slope into trench and out !

The digging of this trench take time , and maybe they don't have enough time to dig a good solid trench to hide and wait for tank ! So what if they already have a trench made of a tough plastic box buried in secret location and covered with earth ? All they have to do is arrive there and uncover top soil and cut through sealed plastic box with knife ? Then slide motorcycle into it using the slope of box ?

If tank change direction then motorcycle troop can go to nearby trench and quickly dig in ! This large plastic box can be made cheaply and it won't rot or deteriorate . It can be made in thousands of units and placed in valley between mountain or in lines across desert . Because it is plastic it is not seen by ground peneterating radar or metal detector . What you think ?

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if you can make portable toilets out of plastic then I dont see why one cant make portable trenches out of plastic  :D
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Re: Motor Bike Troops
« Reply #41 on: July 29, 2011, 01:15:04 AM »
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i think the issue would be where to hide them and how to quickly locate them.

but interesting idea nonetheless.
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Re: Motor Bike Troops
« Reply #42 on: July 29, 2011, 10:35:20 AM »
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Quote from: Apollyon on July 29, 2011, 01:15:04 AM
i think the issue would be where to hide them and how to quickly locate them.

Well you can arrive on motobike to firing position such as hill. Dismount and put the bike on the side. Cover the lying bike with camo net. Take firing position with RPG on top of the hill.

Shoot at the first tank when it arrives. Shoot all your RPG ammo. Run back to the bike, mount it and escape from approaching tanks at full speed.

Dragoon style warfare. You need motobikes to quickly position your RPG (anti tank) forces ahead of enemy's tank columns. Then take cover, shoot and retreat. And to retreat motorbike must be faster then tanks on cross road terrain.
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Re: Motor Bike Troops
« Reply #43 on: July 29, 2011, 01:57:30 PM »
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Yes numbers top of hill offer protection and good plan if motorcycle with passenger can climb to top of hill . I saw some quad bike that climb very well also or Jeep . On flat ground finding cover is a little more difficult , but I guess it can be done . If motorbike troop use more long range TOW , then this is not as big problem , because tank machine gun can not shoot accurate at 3 or 4 kilometer . But if using short range RPG then more problem. 

Finding hidden bunker is easy by recording GPS location . Placing them is more difficult . Again if motorbike troop shoot TOW
then say 10 bunker can cover area of 60 square kilometer ! So you don't need as many  bunker and it become much more practical in term of number of bunkers . Otherwise if they shoot RPG to cover same area then a bunker every 100 meter !

Some locations are easy to predict for plastic bunkers : Major road and rail  junctions near border . Airport near borders . Ports in the south . Power stations and Dam . Major town ......

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