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I'm opening this topic because it is very difficult to identify the different units which are marching during the parades...

65 brigade special force NOHED (green berets)..very easy to identify.. ;)




Perhaps 23 commando division (kevlar helmet)..Somethimes they are wearing the tan beret...Can any one confirm??



Pasdaran special forces: nirou-ye saberin...but I dont khow the exact denomination...batallion? brigade?



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55th Mountain "Division" a.k.a. Brigade:

Alternate Hypothesis:The 55th commando may actually be based out of Kerman with the 28th mechanized division and still take part in the western-most exercises.


I have just done some research on goggle about a 55th division by tiping ‫nothing.........لشکر ۵۵
they are just responses about 55 airborne brigade...I think that there is no 55th division..


Unidentified Parachute Brigade: I think it is the 55 airborne brigade:

based on CHIRAZ   ....تیپ ۵۵  هوابرد شيراز







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Alright, it seems something was lost in translation then, i'll trust the original farsi rather then transliterations on other forums.

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I'm able to read persian language...
If you have picture of ground units where it is possible to read some details (unit patch, flag)...
I will translate it...it is the best way to do

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Heavy Infantry I think this not the heavy infantry...During the Army day's parade the official speakers are always saying " lachkar bist o sť tekavar" ( 23 Commando Division) about those guys wearing "fritz helmet".



Navy

Naval Marines They are   "navy commandos"...in French we are saying "commando marine"...the equivalent of navy seals.




Blue Battalion This guys are regular marines...On the right side..the guy is wearing the "tofangdar-e dariai" patch....In french we are saying "fusilier marin"





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oliver,

Thanks for this thread. Very useful!!!


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Last Edit: October 02, 2009, 01:49:10 AM by Catsoo

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Salam Catsoo,
Here are the main divisions (Artesh and IRGC) that i have identified:
لشگر 8 زرهي ‫سپاه
لشكر 16 زرهي
 ( قزوین)
‫لشکر ۲۳ تکاور
(تهران)
لشکر ‫۲۸ مکانیزه
(کردستان)
لشكر 27  مكانيزه محمد رسول‌الله
لشکر ۳۰   پیاده
(گرگان)
لشكر 31 مكانيزه عاشورا ‫سپاه
لشکر ۵۸   ‫پیاده / تکاور
 ذوالفقار
 (شاهرود)
لشکر ۶۴   ‫پیاده   
(ارومیه)
لشكر۷۷  پياده "پیروز"   (خراسان)
لشکر۸۱زرهی (کرمانشاه)
‫لشکر ۸۸  زرهی
 (زاهدان)
لشكر ۹۲ زرهي (اهواز)


The 8, 27  and 31 are from the Sepah

About the 77 Division, I'm not sure if this is an Infantry Division or a Commando Division named "Zulfaqhar"


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About the 77 Division, I'm not sure if this is an Infantry Division or a Commando Division named "Zulfaqhar"


Olivier

Not the 77...the 58 Division...

Sorry I'm french and i have to speak in english... and read in persian...kheili moshkel ast!!!  ???

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Great thread, thanks for all the info.
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Global Security listed that the Army underwent a massive reorganization in 2005. How reliable is this, GS is usually right but they have far from a spotless record when it comes to Iranian issues.

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Hello Ayyash

I agree with you

The problem with global security is that they are not using the basic iranian sources..

For exemple in their order of battle, they are speaking about "artillery division"...
But in the iranian medias, "artilllery division" is never mentioned...

Iranian use the term of "artillery group"= 3 artillery batallions...

And the "33 artillery group" wich is frequently mentionned in the iranian media is not mentioned in the GS order of battle.

Sorry for my "french english"..
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Hello Ayyash

I agree with you

The problem with global security is that they are not using the basic iranian sources..

For exemple in their order of battle, they are speaking about "artillery division"...
But in the iranian medias, "artilllery division" is never mentioned...

Iranian use the term of "artillery group"= 3 artillery batallions...

And the "33 artillery group" wich is frequently mentionned in the iranian media is not mentioned in the GS order of battle.

Sorry for my "french english"..
Olivier

Don't worry, your English is good.

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Salam Catsoo,
Here are the main divisions (Artesh and IRGC) that i have identified:

The 8, 27  and 31 are from the Sepah

About the 77 Division, I'm not sure if this is an Infantry Division or a Commando Division named "Zulfaqhar"


Olivier
When translated to English, is this correct:

BoA= Base of Operations

8th Armored Division - BoA Unknown (Sepah)
16th Armored Division - Qazvin
23rd Ranger Division - Tehran
28th Mechanized Division - Kurdistan
27th Mechanized - BoA Unknown (Sepah)
30th Infantry - Gorgan
31st Mechanized Ashura - BoA Unknown (Sepah)
58th Infantry Division - Shahroud (Near Dezful)
64th Infantry Division - Urmia (Near Tabriz)
77th Infantry Division - Khoresan (Near Mashhad)
81st Armored Division - Kermanshah
88th Armored Division - Zahedan
92nd Armored Division - Ahvaz

If it is, its roughly the same as what i have. Except for the following.

-I have the 81st armored division in Qazvin instead of the 16th.

-I don't have the 16th armored division existing at all, however i do have an "18th" based out of Tehran

-I have the 28th mechanized division based out of Kerman, not Kurdistan

-I have the 30th infantry based out of Tehran, not Gorgon, but its such close proximity it may just be someone "rounding" so-to-speak.

-I have the 64th based out of  Mahshahr, not Tabriz

-I have the 77th based out of Tabriz, not Mashhad, i have no divisional forces in Mashhad.

- I have the 88th armor based out of Ahvaz, not in Zahedan

-I don't have any 92nd armor existing after the most recent reorganization


my source is global security, and like i mentioned above, i dont have lot of faith in them, what is your source?
Last Edit: September 28, 2009, 05:42:24 AM by Ayyash

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Good Morning everybody, salam,

My principal source are the iranian medias in farsi language ( IRNA, MEHR, ISNA..) and the iranian web sites like Central Club, Jang Afzar, etc...

Here... an article of qazvin.irib.ir about the transfert of 16 armoured division's base:

تصویب مقدمات انتقال لشکر 16 زرهی قزوین       چاپ

 

در جلسه اي باحضور معاون تلفيق برنامه وامور مجلس وزيرمسكن و شهرسازي مقدمات انتقال

لشكر 16 زرهي قزوين بررسي و تصويب شد. ‪

بنابر اعلام روابط عمومي سازمان مسكن و شهرسازي استان / معاون تلفيق برنامه وامور مجلس

وزيرمسكن و شهرسازي درجلسه پيگيري مصوبات سفر رئيس جمهور، انتقال پادگان لشكر

‪ شانزده‬زرهي به منطقه‌اي در شمال قزوين درصورت جلسه ماده 69 تنظيم و براي تصويب نهايي ‪ ‬

به وزارت مسكن وشهرسازي ارسال شد.

بر اساس اين مصوبه مساحت 200 هكتاري اين لشكر پس از واگذاري مي‌تواند علاوه بر پوشش دادن ‪

حجم وسيعي از تقاضاي مسكن قزوين، سرانه خدماتي و رفاهي شهر را هم افزايش دهد.

 
تاریخ بروز رسانی ( 17 مرداد 1388 ساعت 10:19 )
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hmm, interesting, i'm going to have to look into this more. I'm leaning toward Olivers organizaion though because it makes mention of the 92nd armored, something all the literature emphasizes is a big deal in Iran. But then again, its odd that theres nothing based out of Tehran.

But in the mean-time, heres some info on the IRGC OOB, granted its from 1999. I personally we can't take this for anything because of the total reorganization in 2008 that massively re-did everything within the corps. The units mentioned in this report probably don't even exist anymore.

Last Edit: September 29, 2009, 09:46:19 AM by Ayyash

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Interesting thread answers many questions thank for posting

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Salam,

About the 58 Division, I confirm that in the iranian medias it is called 58 Commando Division "Zulfaqhar"..not 58 infantry division.

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What is the order of battle of the 58 commando division "Zulfaqhar"..

Are  all the batallions of this unit wearing the tan beret??

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Who are these '58 commando division' - are they the ones in the tan beret/duck hunter camo?

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What is the order of battle of the 58 commando division "Zulfaqhar"..

Are  all the batallions of this unit wearing the tan beret??

Olivier
I don't think so, heres why. I think the guys in the tan beret you're talking about are from the 28th mechanized infantry division. Namely because of the geography proximate to their exercises (in my writeup using the GS OOB, i label them as the '84th mechanized infantry division') as well as they're high level of mechanization.

Also, if they were in fact a 'commando division' this would mean they are undoubtedly smaller then actual divisional strength, probably on the company or maybe battalion level. This in turn would mean that there is only a single infantry division on the Iran-Iraq border, something that doesn't seem realistic. Also, speaking of geography like above, those photgraphed in exercises near the south-west of Iran (where the 58th is) they are never seen with tan beret's, but rather in woodland camo.

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Salam,

I have several questions for my iranian friends:

- Are all the Commando Brigade (except the 65th) wearing the tan beret?
- What is the color of the beret of the 55 airborne brigade...black or tan??
- What is the difference beetween the "Independant Commando Brigades" (25th, 35th and 45th) and the two Commando Divisions (23th and 58th)?

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No answer...... :o

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Salam,

I have several questions for my iranian friends:

- Are all the Commando Brigade (except the 65th) wearing the tan beret?
- What is the color of the beret of the 55 airborne brigade...black or tan??
- What is the difference beetween the "Independant Commando Brigades" (25th, 35th and 45th) and the two Commando Divisions (23th and 58th)?
Not an Iranian, but i'll try to give an answer

1)Well, there's the Marines and the IRGC, but i don't know if you're including them in this segment. As of now, within the army, we've only established 3 identifiable commando units, the 65th(who wear the green), 23rd (who don't wear beret's) and the 55th (who wear the tan)

2) assuming we're talking about the same unit, tan, HOWEVER there is a picture of an old guy doing one handed push ups with  black beret on, however i think this is just an anomaly.

3) no idea - maybe size? Granted, a commando division would be enormous, but then again, Iranians call their patrol boats frigates so when they say 'commando division' they could be referring to a brigade.

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Not an Iranian, but i'll try to give an answer
Hello Ayyash

1)Well, there's the Marines and the IRGC, but i don't know if you're including them in this segment. As of now, within the army, we've only established 3 identifiable commando units, the 65th(who wear the green), 23rd (who don't wear beret's) and the 55th (who wear the tan)
To my opinion, the 65th (NOHED) is the only special force unit ( occidental standard).
But I have identified several other units  in the Artesh wich have the name of "Commando"...But in fact they are juste "elite forces"...
25th Independante Commando Brigade
35th Independante Commando Brigade
45th Independante Commando Brigade
23th Commando Division
58th Commando Division "Zulfaqar"
All these units are wearing the tan beret

2) assuming we're talking about the same unit, tan, HOWEVER there is a picture of an old guy doing one handed push ups with  black beret on, however i think this is just an anomaly.
Yes, I know this picture...the old guy seems to be the commander of the 58th Commando Division...and he is wearing the black beret...why?? ...I don't know....

3) no idea - maybe size? Granted, a commando division would be enormous, but then again, Iranians call their patrol boats frigates so when they say 'commando division' they could be referring to a brigade.
I have read that in the 2nd Brigade of the 58th Commando Brigade there is:
- 3 Infantry Commando Battalion
- 1 Air defence Battalion
- 1 Artillery Batallion
- 1 Instruction Batallion

I'm very surprised...any iranian forumer to help us to discover this very interesting Army.. ???

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