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92nd AD - Ahvaz
Nothin! Not a tank in sight

16th AD - Qazvin
 3617'20.05"N 50 1'59.60"E

6x M109
26x large bore towed tube artillery
25x assorted smaller towed tube artillery
22x chieftain-esque shapes

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[16th AD - Qazvin] = prototype tank
[ 3617'20.05"N 50 1'59.60"E] = rotatable turret tank = another T-72

[6x M109] = ??? (unidentified)
[26x large bore towed tube artillery] 200 mm Grad
[25x assorted smaller towed tube artillery] 100 mm Grad
[22x chieftain-esque shapes] = another Abram cheap weak prototype in development

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Does it have a specific Persian name or is it just 55th airborne?




Bonjour,

 the iranian name of 55th airborne is: "tip-e panjah-o panj havabord" wich means..55th airborne brigade...

Because of army's tradition, like in the french artillery (sometimes), the word "group" is used instead of "regiment" or "brigade"..

In the iranian army, there are several artlillery batalions in one  artillery group.

Olivier
 

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[16th AD - Qazvin] = prototype tank
[ 3617'20.05"N 50 1'59.60"E] = rotatable turret tank = another T-72

[6x M109] = ??? (unidentified)
[26x large bore towed tube artillery] 200 mm Grad
[25x assorted smaller towed tube artillery] 100 mm Grad
[22x chieftain-esque shapes] = another Abram cheap weak prototype in development

Don't take this the wrong way, but literally everything you just said was wrong, i cannot concieve a post that could be more incorrect.

The towed artillery are not MLRS's, and the Chieftains are most certainly not "another Abram cheap weak prototype"

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do we import JK 96a Light Steel Helmet or produce them under license
Iran Khodro largest auto maker in larger middle east

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[do we import JK 96a Light Steel Helmet or produce them under license]
Just get Kevlar or Vectran plastic helmets, hides you from all radar.

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[The towed artillery are not MLRS's, and the Chieftains are most certainly not "another Abram cheap weak prototype"]
ha ha :)
it was written "towed tube artillery" = means its is Grad.
All Chieftains are old Abrams without uranium plates in armor.

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is it possible that a brigade of the 92d Armor Division is in Dezful...
earlier google earth shows what looks like T-72 tanks in the same area...

Ahvaz Division HQ and a brigade...  another brigade in Dezful

notice only 12 X SP Howitzers...  3 Btry of 4 systems instead of the normal btry of 6 systems...
due to shortage?  towed systems have 3 btry of 6 systems for a total of 18 ...
on the google image it shows only 12 (my guess is because of lack of systems that the IRIGF went to a 12 x System sp Battalion...  
this may change as they produce more Raad Sp Howitzers, but my guess is that the IRIGF use 12 x SP M109 Howitzer battalion with their Armor units...
Respectfully,
Simple Bubba

Peace to You and Yours...
Last Edit: February 26, 2010, 02:34:52 PM by simple bubba

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another brigade in Dezful and possibly another brigade in city(?) by Shat al Arab



Shat al Arab???

I think that our iranian friends will be angry....

Use the word " Arvand Roud" is better...isn' it ?? :)

Olivier

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took out the ref thx...  got to remember retired mil and its what I knew the river as...
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there is a bunch of vehicles in Ahvaz at 312003n 0482924e...
92 HQ area  ??   historical google shows more equipment.

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Are you sure the coordinates are right, i just got an empty field

I just updates my operating system, and i lost all me GE placemarks :(

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Hello,

My english is not good..and I don't understand your last sentence... :(

I hope i didn't have offense you..

If yes, I'm very sory.


Have a nice day

Olivier



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No problem, it's not important.

I changed my computer, so i had to re-install google earth.

Simple Bubba, i checked it out, but honestly i can't tell what they are, they're definitly something, but i'm not sure what. I see some M109's and some Jeep/Safir's though.
Last Edit: February 26, 2010, 03:05:38 PM by Ayyash

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31 16 31n 058 47 29 e  there is a nice size military base with a whole bunch of covered storage being built...  google historical image shows a possible armored vehicle...  there are a lot of support vehicles...

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This is slightly off topic, but when you check out the imagery of the base, the testing range is like, right up there close to the rest of the city.

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3119'59.48"N
 4839'24.73"E

off of place mark ... hopefully this is good  ...Ahvaz

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3616'31.79"N
 5847'23.90"E

unknown base just north of Neyshabur

my mistake wrote lat long on peice of paper then typed ... the above is from a place marker on googke earth

anyone know who this unit is??  is it a unit?? looks like a military base

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Likely the 77th infantry, i was trying to find them but didn't know where they were besides being in the Khoresan province. If it is, there's no M-47's out and about.

Although it's difficult to tell whether these bases are IRGC or Artesh.
Last Edit: February 26, 2010, 03:23:16 PM by Ayyash

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Hello,

My english is not good..and I don't understand your last sentence... :(

I hope i didn't have offense you...
If yes, I'm very sory.


Have a nice day

Olivier..

No Offense taken... you are correct I should use the Iranian / Farsi name for the river...  and Im sure your English is better than my Farsi...  THANK YOU! for the info on what the river is called...
 :D

ref Ayyash on Ahvaz...  it does look like some M109 SP Howitzers...  and the number is less than 18 (typical battalion size)...  goes back to my theory of 12 SP How in a battalion

... look at the historical sep 7, 2005... guessing BMP-2 and M113 southeast of M109s



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That would make sense, 33 M-113's, 25 BMP-2's, at least in that area, there's a couple more up north.

How does that work out per battalion, i've got no experience in that issue.
If you don't mind asking, when you were in the military, what type of unit were you in?

Other units i've been looking for is the 16th ID near Gorgan, as well as the few divisions located on the border with Iraq near Kurdistan.
Last Edit: February 26, 2010, 03:36:31 PM by Ayyash

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That would make sense, 33 M-113's, 25 BMP-2's, at least in that area, there's a couple more up north.

How does that work out per battalion, i've got no experience in that issue.
If you don't mind asking, when you were in the military, what type of unit were you in?

Other units i've been looking for is the 16th ID near Gorgan, as well as the few divisions located on the border with Iraq near Kurdistan.


battalions... long subject...  Again this is my two bits.

battalion for manuever depends on the number of companies 3 or 4 per battalion...  start with platoons... a platoon 3, 4, or 5 (5 isnt seen that much anymore) typical eastern doctrine old Russian... 3 and western doctrine 4 per plt.  This means companies are 10-14...  for example 3 plt of 3 vehicles = 9 + co cdr = 10 vehicles... 3 co of 10 = 30 + 1 cdr = 31 in a battalion ...old Russian doctrine...  Iran has influence from the west and east...  so their doctrine is a hybrid of both west and east... but with sactions and size and territory that has to be protected...  Im guessing they are using a hybrid of west & east with #s in the mid-30s (35)  ... most western militaries gives a vehicle to Commander and Deputy (XO)... so you could see 11 in a co and 3 co = 33 + cdr & xo = 35 for battalion..

again I dont know what Iran's Table of Organization and Equipment is... but 35 combat vehicles sounds like a good number...   remember a battalion has combat systems and support systems...

so for example a artillery battalion has 18 guns, but you have trucks to tow guns, ammo trucks, hq, tgt aquisition, maint, and numerous other support...  so a arty battalion may have over 50 vehicles (combat and support) 

arty is usually 12, 18, or 24 systems (18 is the norm)

so maneuver 31-54  and fire support 12-24 systems :)

..and that is if the unit is 100% strength...  so a 35 tank battalion at 75% strength would only have around 26 tanks in the battalion, instead of 35...

I wonder does any one know what #s Iran is using for maneuver units? :think:

all kinds... my favorite was 3rd Armored Cavalry Regiment "Brave Rifles"...  In our military you do 2-4 year tours and then you have a change of station(new location and unit), I have been in several different types of units...

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Thanks for the info. From what i hear, Iran is using extremely "light" divisions, with the exception being the 92nd AD. This makes logical sense also, for instance, assuming the 81st AD uses M60A1's, they'd only have ~150 for the entire division.  

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 3325'58.13"N  4816'0.90"E

18 - small towed artillery
27 - large towed artillery possibly M-46
24 - "other"

There's also a number of trucks
Last Edit: February 26, 2010, 04:54:30 PM by Ayyash

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More Isfahan information


Simple Bubba made the note that towed artillery battalions have 3 batteries of six guns each. The same system seems to hold true for the contingent in Isfahan.

There are ~4 battalions of what could be M-46 guns, minus 2-3 guns. But it looks like these are just scattered around the rest of the base for whatever region rather then it being actually understrengthed.  
 3236'34.09"N  5138'9.22"E

M-101's are also present. These battalions are smaller, containing only around 11-12 guns. There are two battalions total.  
3236'46.36"N 5138'42.01"E

I think i've also identified the SP M110's, it looks to be at most, one small battalion.
 3236'37.61"N  5137'51.20"E


I've also either identified the IRGC's T-72's or the Artesh's BTR-60's. There is a significant number of them, i've yet to count them, but they look like more then 200.
 3233'46.11"N  5140'45.11"E


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25th Commando Brigade patch


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