Author Topic: 2 (BIG) 2500 JDAMs Dropped on Fixed Taliban Positions (Read 3625 times)

mustavaris · « **Reply #50 on:** March 11, 2012, 07:37:15 AM »

Guess what, I have spent 5 months of my life doing volunteer work that involved helping people in need in Russia and helping refugess who came from Kosovo. I have boycotted Israel and bunch of other countries and enterprises since I realized how they acted.. some for well over ten years, I believe that I opened my eyes in 1997 or so when talking about Israel. I have donated or lent via microfinancing banks four digit number of dollars mainly to Lebanon and bunch of other warn torn countries since I graduated and got job. And much much more... I am eager to hear what have you done as you know in what kind of world we live in and how every little move matters.

Quote from: YMJ on March 10, 2012, 10:54:30 PM

Mustvaris, closing your eye on a world of hurt, is not right my friend. Period.

IronHorse110 · « **Reply #51 on:** March 11, 2012, 10:01:25 AM »

Quote from: mustavaris on March 11, 2012, 07:37:15 AM

Guess what, I have spent 5 months of my life doing volunteer work that involved helping people in need in Russia and helping refugess who came from Kosovo. I have boycotted Israel and bunch of other countries and enterprises since I realized how they acted.. some for well over ten years, I believe that I opened my eyes in 1997 or so when talking about Israel. I have donated or lent via microfinancing banks four digit number of dollars mainly to Lebanon and bunch of other warn torn countries since I graduated and got job. And much much more... I am eager to hear what have you done as you know in what kind of world we live in and how every little move matters.

So on one hand you have done all that, and on the other hand you defend the actions of NATO western states? Israel is just an extension of western imperialism and are an occupying force, yet in your words i've noticed you think there should be a two state solution, instead of a dissolution of occupying forces, return of all refugees and a united palestine under one flag. So i don't think your eyes are fully open yet, considering i've read your posts for the last couple of weeks and have noticed an apologetic tone to it.

What i have done is nothing i want to mention here and i don't find a need to measure who's eyes are open, or whose the "better person" or whatever by comparing who has donated more to NGO's, or who has volunteered more for refugees. What i have tried to do, has it's butterfly effect more than you can imagine, but i'm not going to mention it here, no need to. It's not some sort of contest.

We have a saying in farsi, 'gav'e no man shirdeh' its an expression about a cow that gives milk, gives milk, gives milk, then kicks the bucket of milk under her and the milk is wasted.

When you do those things, then try and defend western imperialistic military forces, NATO, that's what you are in a sense, 'gav'e no man shirdeh' . Or your just trying to be apologetic, without actually condemning the aggression by the western forces.

mustavaris · « **Reply #52 on:** March 11, 2012, 10:29:33 AM »

Quote from: mustavaris on March 09, 2012, 06:19:44 AM

IMHO: most of the post WWII wars waged by Western powers have been illegitimate and excl. a couple of cases, also fought wrong. Do not put words into my mouth.

Despite of that, dropping a bomb on a Taleban does make the world better place and it is just what the soldiers do in combat. Nothing dishonourable in that. Nothing more than shooting from 300 - 400m before running away or using IEDs and so forth.

I have stated earlier that I believe that the existence of Israel is a fact with which we have to live . It is not the best imaginable situation but due to alternative (what it would require to dismantle Israel) it is better to move forward from that and stop dreaming about something that is not reality nor will become without something far more cruel. Just like in our case it is better to stop dreaming about lost lands in the east than to continue to bear grudge, plan to attack Russia and so forth. On the other hand you have selectively read what I have written or did not notice that I also support the right to return of the refugees and their descendants - IMHO they should be given chance to choose whether they want to live as citizens where they are now or whether they want to go to back to land they left and get full citizens rights there. Once sovereign Palestinian state is founded, the refugee issue should be solved.. once it is solved, they should move forward to normalize the relations... in the long run, if the peace prevails, economical cooperation increases the borders will become irrelevant. Just like has gradually happened in war torn Europe. Levantine wars have been small family issues when comparing to what Europeans have had.

Just in case someone has trouble to figure things out: I believe that as of today Israel is an apartheid state lead by war criminals and the country is only nominally democratical. European countries would be doing the right thing if they did their best to make Europe appealing for the Jews of European descent in Israel.

IronHorse110 · « **Reply #53 on:** March 11, 2012, 10:34:48 AM »

All it takes to get rid of Israel, is to get world countries to boycott them. This will make their economy collapse and many of the money hungary and leisure loving european/russian jews will get up and leave. Then a UN mandate would be needed to allow all refugees to return. Once that occurs, a referendum would need to be held with the notion that Palestine should be united, or not. Clearly the people would want a united palestine but this is up to ALL of the Palestinian people to decide, not european, american, russian zionist jews.

Whats so cruel about that?

It's dishonorable to bomb civilian populated areas and be engaged in an illegal and unjust imperialistic war.

mustavaris · « **Reply #54 on:** March 11, 2012, 10:38:13 AM »

That´s not cruel, that is simply something that has zero chances of happening.

Bombing a Taliban position is not bombing civilian target. Saying that such is good does not mean that bombing of the civvies were or that the war in Afghanistan as a whole were righteous.

IronHorse110 · « **Reply #55 on:** March 11, 2012, 10:41:11 AM »

Quote from: mustavaris on March 11, 2012, 10:38:13 AM

That´s not cruel, that is simply something that has zero odds to happen.

Why because people with your mentality are standing in the way of it? This is what is going to happen. This is what Hamas and the Islamic Republic is moving towards without budging. People like you can try and stand in the way, but you will not be on the side of justice.

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Bombing a Taliban position is not bombing civilian target. Saying that such is good does not mean that bombing of the civvies were or that the war in Afghanistan as a whole were righteous.

Taliban positions are in civilian areas, therefore saying they are bombing 'taliban position' means nothing. Most taliban are civilians, you don't understand that either do you? Right now anyone who is resisting the occupying forces in Afghanistan, is labeled 'taliban', whoever they might be and most of them live in civilian areas.

mustavaris · « **Reply #56 on:** March 11, 2012, 10:48:57 AM »

And again and again...

I boycot Israel, have done so since late 1990s. I have no trouble with idea of state level boycotting either..

Armed enemy combatants are legitimate targets. Period.

IronHorse110 · « **Reply #57 on:** March 11, 2012, 12:35:32 PM »

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And again and again...

I boycot Israel, have done so since late 1990s. I have no trouble with idea of state level boycotting either..

But you oppose a single state solution or think it has zero odds, when that's just simply not true.

Quote from: mustavaris on March 11, 2012, 10:48:57 AM

Armed enemy combatants are legitimate targets. Period.

In civilian areas they are not a legitimate target using cluster bombs, or any sort of bombs or any form of force which would take civilians lives away and labeled as "collateral damage" . In that case all NATO countries are a target considering the damage they have inflicted on the middle east and any act considered ''collateral damage''. With the same logic of yours, you make terrorism as a tactic; completely legitimate.

If you can't condemn those acts, then you can't condemn acts which are used as tactics of self defense, or resistance.

Crazy Ivan · « **Reply #58 on:** March 11, 2012, 03:17:30 PM »

Quote from: Jonk89 on March 11, 2012, 05:15:01 AM

What is rare instance Ivan? 60, 100, 1000, 30,000, 100,000. These are only a few of hundreds of thousands victims. If these numbers of victims, even 60 are rare to you, then I don't know what to say regarding your definition of humanity. We are talking about lives of innocent people who have nothing to do with war itself. What we see is OK to westerners because they dehumanize their so called enemies, even women and children.

Do you honestly think they WANT to do kill civilians? No, they don't. I know civilians die and I am AGAINST the wars, but your understanding of how the military works is hilariously skewed. The same nation who developed tactics and manuals on how to fight (And thankfully never did) the Soviets for half a century is now some silly "just kill civilians hurr durr". It makes no sense.

Jonk89 · « **Reply #59 on:** March 11, 2012, 06:28:17 PM »

Quote from: Crazy Ivan on March 11, 2012, 03:17:30 PM

Do you honestly think they WANT to do kill civilians? No, they don't. I know civilians die and I am AGAINST the wars, but your understanding of how the military works is hilariously skewed. The same nation who developed tactics and manuals on how to fight (And thankfully never did) the Soviets for half a century is now some silly "just kill civilians hurr durr". It makes no sense.

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jjj · « **Reply #60 on:** March 22, 2012, 01:45:18 PM »

Its only now that I realize how stupid half the population here is.
Would you rather live in Iran or how about North Korea or Syria? I think its clear that the west is fighting off terrorists attacking their interests and if you're going to imply that all troops from the developed countries are bloodthirsty monsters you need to be put in the closet indefinitely. I suppose you're okay with Iranian terrorists trying to kill Israeli ambassadors in the region while performing professionally and blowing off their own legs with the bombs they tried to use against Israelis?

IronHorse110 · « **Reply #61 on:** March 22, 2012, 07:39:25 PM »

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Its only now that I realize how stupid half the population here is.

Not half as stupid as 100% of zionists.

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Would you rather live in Iran or how about North Korea or Syria?

Rather live in Iran. North Korea would even be better than the zionist entity where you might get your head blown off if your a palestinian wanting your land back.

Syria was fine too, until the west and arab states started arming terrorist groups in syria, to create caos.

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I think its clear that the west is fighting off terrorists attacking their interests

When your over 7,000 KM away from your home base, you are no longer fighting off terroists, but you are invading and ARE the terrorists.

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if you're going to imply that all troops from the developed countries are bloodthirsty monsters you need to be put in the closet indefinitely. I

Not all, but why does it matter? Once you are fighting an illegal, imperialistic war, then it doesn't matter anymore. They all go in the same category. The one's who don't join the army, you can say are the sane respectable people who are NOT bloodthirsty.

They are put through training to make them extra aggressive, they want that. In the US the poor populations, with social problems and uneducated are targeted for recruitment.

In Germany, and many other western countries, you are not even allowed to read a book in your mandatory military training, because they don't want free thinking soldiers.

Quote from: jjj on March 22, 2012, 01:45:18 PM

suppose you're okay with Iranian terrorists trying to kill Israeli ambassadors in the region while performing professionally and blowing off their own legs with the bombs they tried to use against Israelis?

If you believe this, then you must believe in santa claus and the tooth fairy kiddo.

Those operations are called false flag operations. Any one with half their frontal cortex function at half its ability can tell this was a false flag operation carried out by Israel.

Iran has never once carried out terrorist acts. They have been blamed for many, without a single shred of evidence, which is baseless considering all the lies the western states spew anyway.

WHY THE ''BLEEP'' am i wasting my time replying to a zion'nazi?

jjj · « **Reply #62 on:** March 22, 2012, 11:32:15 PM »

This is golden material, your post is full of conspiracy to the point where I'd classify it as having some artistic value.
I bet you also supported Gaddafi and praise Bashar al-Assad and are just in love with Iran's hardliner Islamic government instead of supporting democratic freedom. Then you go on to insult me for being originally from Israel and imply that all Israeli's are and were Zionists.

Quote from: YMJ on March 22, 2012, 07:39:25 PM

Not half as stupid as 100% of zionists.
What do Zionists have to do with anything I said?

Rather live in Iran. North Korea would even be better than the zionist entity where you might get your head blown off if your a palestinian wanting your land back.
Why would you rather live in a undemocratic state controlled by Muslims then somewhere peaceful and calm such as Europe.
Syria was fine too, until the west and arab states started arming terrorist groups in syria, to create caos.
You obviously have no idea, most of the weapons are from Army defectors, captured from the Syrian army or smuggled in by the Free Syrian Army from Lebanon. If you think the Free Syrian Army is a band of terrorist gangs then you surely support massacres confirmed by the UN and Red Cross by the Syrian regime?

When your over 7,000 KM away from your home base, you are no longer fighting off terroists, but you are invading and ARE the terrorists.
So I guess arming Gaza to the brim is also invading?

Not all, but why does it matter? Once you are fighting an illegal, imperialistic war, then it doesn't matter anymore. They all go in the same category. The one's who don't join the army, you can say are the sane respectable people who are NOT bloodthirsty.
So you support Iran, yet also call anything done to Saddam's regime or the Taliban(Whom executes civilians for not obeying their religious requirements including foreign journalists!) imperialistic? How does that even work or did you miss the first gulf war.

They are put through training to make them extra aggressive, they want that. In the US the poor populations, with social problems and uneducated are targeted for recruitment.

In Germany, and many other western countries, you are not even allowed to read a book in your mandatory military training, because they don't want free thinking soldiers.
Reputable citation needed..

If you believe this, then you must believe in santa claus and the tooth fairy kiddo.
I can say the same about your hilarious post.

Those operations are called false flag operations. Any one with half their frontal cortex function at half its ability can tell this was a false flag operation carried out by Israel.
I seriously doubt this and once again you have no proof.

Iran has never once carried out terrorist acts. They have been blamed for many, without a single shred of evidence, which is baseless considering all the lies the western states spew anyway.
How would you define terrorist attacks? I guess the US is a terrorist entity from your point of view aswell.

WHY THE ''BLEEP'' am i wasting my time replying to a zion'nazi?
Because you're thicker then a brick and you believe everything RT and PressTV spews out its sensationalist ass.

Jonk89 · « **Reply #63 on:** March 23, 2012, 02:21:57 PM »

Quote from: jjj on March 22, 2012, 01:45:18 PM

Its only now that I realize how stupid half the population here is.
Would you rather live in Iran or how about North Korea or Syria? I think its clear that the west is fighting off terrorists attacking their interests and if you're going to imply that all troops from the developed countries are bloodthirsty monsters you need to be put in the closet indefinitely. I suppose you're okay with Iranian terrorists trying to kill Israeli ambassadors in the region while performing professionally and blowing off their own legs with the bombs they tried to use against Israelis?

You are one fuck head stupid brainwashed piece of shit zionist. Natural resources of the other countries are not U.S interest. I bet you have a first grade education. You are the fucking stupid brain washed one. What your media and your society have done to you is to create stupid people like you. They drilled your skull, vacuumed out your brain and replace it with shit. Don't fucking come here to defend bunch of rapist and murderers, you piece of shit. . Just believing that Iran was behind the terror attack makes you an imbecile. You and your military are the terrorists. Your governments are the ones who use UAV helicopters and fighter jets for assassination, . Go read your fucking history and see how many people were assassinated by your intelligent services throughout the history. Example:Che Guevara, Salvador Allende Gossens, Emiliano Zapata Salazar, Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi, and the list goes on. Half of the U.S troops come home with mental illness or commit suicide because they cannot bear the guilt of the crimes they committed while they were oversea. So go fuck yourself. I see you have the flag of the occupied Palestine under your name. I suggest you and the other zionists who live there, fold your tents and get the fuck out of the occupied Palestine or we will kick you out of there with your balls in sling.

nelsa · « **Reply #64 on:** April 02, 2012, 10:47:15 AM »

Easy boy,time is change they are all war criminal,they go 10000 km faraway from home to defend they country and watch war on tv.
Western people must understand that their military is AGRRESOR and atack other country in international law is criminal act and slowly war is coming to their home and that is only way that they understad mesage and they must say to their leader that they don't want to atack other country,but that is going to happen only if they feel the war at own skin and someday,before they think ,
that is going to happen.
World is change and USA and they pupet every day have shorter list of country with suport and when it comes to potential war with new country we can see that nobady wan't to go in anather war and that is not the worse,Afghanistan and Irak slowly became their wors't night meir and state wich in first place send troops slowly send their soldiers home.
Beleve me,I feel the war(Bosnia and Herzegovina) and nobady who feel that hell will never wan't feel again,that is whay i'm say they first must have war at home and if they don't change they imperial. politics they will have war at home because world won't any more tolerate USA/NATO imperial. arogance behavior,and beleave me world is much bigger place and stronger than USA/NATO state are.

Jonk89 · « **Reply #65 on:** April 03, 2012, 04:00:08 PM »

Quote from: nelsa on April 02, 2012, 10:47:15 AM

Easy boy,time is change they are all war criminal,they go 10000 km faraway from home to defend they country and watch war on tv.
Western people must understand that their military is AGRRESOR and atack other country in international law is criminal act and slowly war is coming to their home and that is only way that they understad mesage and they must say to their leader that they don't want to atack other country,but that is going to happen only if they feel the war at own skin and someday,before they think ,
that is going to happen.
World is change and USA and they pupet every day have shorter list of country with suport and when it comes to potential war with new country we can see that nobady wan't to go in anather war and that is not the worse,Afghanistan and Irak slowly became their wors't night meir and state wich in first place send troops slowly send their soldiers home.
Beleve me,I feel the war(Bosnia and Herzegovina) and nobady who feel that hell will never wan't feel again,that is whay i'm say they first must have war at home and if they don't change they imperial. politics they will have war at home because world won't any more tolerate USA/NATO imperial. arogance behavior,and beleave me world is much bigger place and stronger than USA/NATO state are.

Boy? The only boy is here with me is the one inside of my pants. Do you want to see it? The rest of your post is not too bad.

Crazy Ivan · « **Reply #66 on:** April 04, 2012, 04:09:05 AM »

Quote from: Jonk89 on March 23, 2012, 02:21:57 PM

You are one fuck head stupid brainwashed piece of shit zionist.

WOOHOO!

Ad Hominems make great arguments!

Jonk89 · « **Reply #67 on:** April 04, 2012, 01:54:05 PM »

Quote from: Crazy Ivan on April 04, 2012, 04:09:05 AM

WOOHOO!

Ad Hominems make great arguments!

Truth hurts. Doesn't it?

Crazy Ivan · « **Reply #68 on:** April 04, 2012, 03:53:43 PM »

Quote from: Jonk89 on April 04, 2012, 01:54:05 PM

Truth hurts. Doesn't it?

Your opinion is now fact? Gee whiz, when did that happen?

Jonk89 · « **Reply #69 on:** April 04, 2012, 06:13:14 PM »

Quote from: Crazy Ivan on April 04, 2012, 03:53:43 PM

Your opinion is now fact? Gee whiz, when did that happen?

It happened a long time ago when you were just a drop in your father's eyes. I am not a man who beats around the bushes. I stop any zionist or zionist lover right on the spot. I don't negotiate with zionist lovers. Did you get my drift? Why don't you go watch your Fox news.

Abdullah · « **Reply #70 on:** June 05, 2012, 06:55:14 AM »

People,

I have a story to share and a question to ask.

All Muslims know that nobody can stand against Allah.

Allah could defeat the whole world, if He wanted to do so.

Imam Khomeini said that slamic Republic of Iran is the government of Allah on Earth.

He said that Allah was with them.

If Allah -- the one true God -- is with you, then who can be against you?

They said "Jang! Jang! taa piroozee." That means "War! War! Till victory!"

They said "We will march to Karbalaa and Baghdad, put Saddam "Yazid" (Hussein) on trial and then we will march on to Ghods (Jerusalem)."

In the end, they could not even capture Basra.

This is the same Allah that allowed Muslims to defeat Rome and Persia, the two Super Powers of their day.

So, we have a dilemma:

1. Either Allah is weaker than Iraq and its backers (including U.S.S.R., U.S.A. and P.R.C.)

or

2. Allah was not with Khomeini.

You decide.

Ich · « **Reply #71 on:** June 05, 2012, 05:37:48 PM »

You dont believe in anything. Even your own words being suspect to you. So let me ask you one question:

Who is you?

Pasdar · « **Reply #72 on:** June 05, 2012, 09:03:11 PM »

Even if we all perish, cut in pieces, not a single Muslim is left on this planet, IF we were on the right path while this happened, then we have won. This is the concept of victory in Islam. Your mind is imprisoned by worldly constraints and human concepts. People like you wonder their whole life about questions whether God can lift a rock or not. Keep on pondering about that.

Emirzaad · « **Reply #73 on:** June 05, 2012, 09:15:31 PM »

Quote from: Abdullah on June 05, 2012, 06:55:14 AM

You decide.

i just did

... u r full of shit ... my conclusion !

Jonk89 · « **Reply #74 on:** June 05, 2012, 09:16:39 PM »

Quote from: Pasdar on June 05, 2012, 09:03:11 PM

Even if we all perish, cut in pieces, not a single Muslim is left on this planet, IF we were on the right path while this happened, then we have won. This is the concept of victory in Islam. Your mind is imprisoned by worldly constraints and human concepts. People like you wonder their whole life about questions whether God can lift a rock or not. Keep on pondering about that.

Nicely said.