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Above article from (FinalCall.com) is on the level of yellow press.

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1) Do not beleive everything it says. It is all lies until proven by video record.

2) The more ridiculous statements you make the more funny it is. Yellow press is funny after all.

3) Blame Al Qaeda for everything.

4) Gaddafi is true leader of all Muslims and all Africa because "you stupid, you need a true tough leader!"

5) Genoside done by Gaddafi might have happened. Now, NATO wants him to go so no killing can be done by him and his bribed followers.
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Gadaffis s daughter Aisha has just file a lawsuit against Nato and  war crimes commuted by them against Libyan civilians and against Gadaffi family:Once again the honest and fair European courts will bring justice to the world just like many other times before.Crap nothing will happen.

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'US dropped cluster bombs on Misratah'

A Human rights investigation in Libya has found that it was the US and its Western allies who cluster bombed the troubled city of Misratah back in April.


The HRI said it has convincing evidence that the cluster bombing blamed on pro-Gaddafi forces was actually carried out by the US navy.

The report says at the time of the attack, Human Rights Watch and a reporter working for US media immediately blamed forces loyal to Libya's embattled leader Muammar Gaddafi for the cluster bombing that threatened civilian lives.

According to the report, the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights, Navi Pillay and the US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton were quick to condemn the act.

Clinton called the cluster bombing of urban areas an act that posed a lot of challenges to both NATO and the opposition.

International aid agencies and human rights groups had warned of a growing humanitarian disaster in Misratah, Libya's third largest city.

"We never saw these injuries before. We need experts to assess [the munitions]," said a doctor at a Misratah hospital back in mid-April.

The Libyan regime had flatly denied reports that they have used internationally banned cluster bombs in the ongoing clashes with revolutionaries.

NATO has been bombing Libya since March. Under a UN mandate, the alliance must protect civilians caught up in the battle between the opponents of Gaddafi and his loyalists.

However, many civilians and even anti-Gaddafi forces have been killed since the Western-led war on Libya began in March. Cluster bombs used by coalition forces in Afghanistan and Iraq have also resulted in civilian casualties.

Critics, however, accuse the West of hypocrisy over the offensive on Libya, along with its silence towards the brutal crackdowns on similar anti-regime movements elsewhere in the Arab world, such as in Bahrain, Saudi Arabia and Yemen.

Experts say the main motive behind the Western attack on Libya is the vast oil reserves in the North African country.

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http://www.presstv.ir/detail/182310.html
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Well as that image clearly shows..Its not a a cluster bomb. It a mortar round..

Also for the record the Mortar round in that image is a Spanish MAT-120 Mortar round which reports state Ghaddafi's forces used in Misrata against the rebels. More specifically Spain admitted selling these mortar rounds to Libya just before they signed the international treaty against the use of cluster rounds. So it seems pretty clear Ghaddafi's forces did use these rounds against Misrata. Whether they used against civilian targets or not I have no idea but its pretty clear they used them contrary to the claims in the article.

So did they just use that image incorrectly with that article since it is talking about cluster bombs dropped by aircraft and not cluster mortar rounds?
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Guys, please read this if you have time ( http://my.firedoglake.com/slindauer/2011/06/07/going-rogue-natos-war-crimes-in-libya/ )..I'm no fan of Qaddafi but I think he's a very clever military strategist and may well survive this war. He's going to drag it till NATO runs outta cash.

NATO is f*cked BIG time in Libya. Apparently not everyone in Misurata supports the rebels and many of the tribal chiefs actually support Qaddafi. People are getting pissed off with the rebels and I can safely say that their days are well numbered including that of NATO with every passing day. Qaddafi's holding on to power weakens NATO everyday as it exposes them for their real intent for going to war. All the talk of NATO destroying all of Qaddafi's military capabilities are war propaganda. He can still arm people in Tripoli and other regions to fight.

Like i said, the longer this war drags on, the costlier it becomes for NATO and I have a feeling Obama may  lose his presidency due to this.

All the news from Aljazeera is just to paint a nice picture of "progress" but things are pretty not good on the ground. The reason they don't go to Tripoli to interview people is because the truth will be exposed. I have to say I'm getting a bit pissed of with Presstv for also going along with Aljazeera in not covering both sides of the conflict.

Ever since the end of WW2, Europe's been tamed by their new US-puppet leaders. How can they make austerity cuts yet have so much money to pay the rebels in Libya without the public complaining?

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I have to say I'm getting a bit pissed of with Presstv for also going along with Aljazeera in not covering both sides of the conflict.
 

I feel the same.

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Well as that image clearly shows..Its not a a cluster bomb. It a mortar round..

Also for the record the Mortar round in that image is a Spanish MAT-120 Mortar round which reports state Ghaddafi's forces used in Misrata against the rebels. More specifically Spain admitted selling these mortar rounds to Libya just before they signed the international treaty against the use of cluster rounds. So it seems pretty clear Ghaddafi's forces did use these rounds against Misrata. Whether they used against civilian targets or not I have no idea but its pretty clear they used them contrary to the claims in the article.

So did they just use that image incorrectly with that article since it is talking about cluster bombs dropped by aircraft and not cluster mortar rounds?
no idea bro... but u know at the end of the day its the message not the pic...

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MO,

But that's my point. The article claims NATO used cluster bombers over Misratah but instead of providing any photographic or video evidence they include an image of a Spanish Cluster mortar round that Ghaddafi's forces are known to have imported before the war and are known to have been used against the rebel forces and possibly civilians in Misratah.

Do you see how that completely undercuts the purpose of the article?

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MO,

But that's my point. The article claims NATO used cluster bombers over Misratah but instead of providing any photographic or video evidence they include an image of a Spanish Cluster mortar round that Ghaddafi's forces are known to have imported before the war and are known to have been used against the rebel forces and possibly civilians in Misratah.

Do you see how that completely undercuts the purpose of the article?

yes and I agree with you bro.... but that doesnt mean NATO is not making massacres there, and it doesnt mean NATO's intervention is Legal, and it doesnt mean Nato didnt use them as far as I know and you know... for all we know Eagle with all due respect Nato could have used bombs with warheads on them... I might be speculating but, I also might be saying the truth here... no one knows.... look at Iraq for example and Gaza... these were good examples because the same weapons are used on the people... and you know better than I do that there are many "accident's" happening in "war" and there must have been a couple in Lybia... im not going to sit by and ignore what the west has  done in the past, because one can learn form history and their attacks are never perfect and always contain what amerikkkans call "collateral damage" you guys even made a movie about it with the senator of Cali as the main actor! so there must have been some crimes done by them....

what crimes, and how, and what material they use is irrelevant... it can all be speculation, but can also be true, because at the end of the day if you attack nations illegally then you are bound to have some bad blood on your hands! So as much as they dont have evidence on this that doesnt mean the occupiers are 100% innocent... would u agree Eagle?

but like you said it your point does undercut thed article alot, but not all of it... I hope you are right Eagle and I hope I may be saying fairy tails, but there must be some truth to it one way or another.... because the whole thing look fishy to me.... Gaddafi was an ally to europe and the west, and I dont care what you say you can never convince me otherwise... so he built his own coffin just like Saddam did....

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And I never said NATO didn't use cluster bombs, just that there hasn't been any evidence of their use yet.

I also just based that on what I see on the ACIG Forum where the members are keeping a rather extensive photo record of NATO aircraft heading out on patrols over Libya loaded with ordances and the main Air to Ground ordance seen so far has been Satellite and Laser-guided bombs.

The other thing to remember is the majority of NATO nations I believe no longer use cluster bombs and the US is no longer much of a presence in terms of Air Power anymore so the likelihood of cluster bombs being used is actually pretty low since the USAF largely pulled out of the conflict.

But when it comes to civilian casualties from NATO strikes I have no idea since most of the reports from Tripoli and I am not one to believe much of what comes out Tripoli as of late, especially when it's in Ghaddafi's interest to fake such reports so unless such reports are supported by groups like the Red Cross of Red Crescent I don't give them much crediance.

On a sidenote, I figured you guys would like to know what's going here in the US over the Libyan Conflict.

Yesterday, the Speaker of the House of Representatives has given the President til the end of the week to get formal Congressional approval for the action in Libya (in other words, an actual war resolution) and 10 members of the House have filed legal suit against the President and Defense Secretary (which is dumb because Gates is retiring soon) over the war's legality.

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Libyan rebel commander killed by allied militia




The late head of the rebel forces Abdel Fattah Younes at Green Square in the Kish, Benghazi July 6, 2011, to demonstrate against Muammar Gaddafi and his regime.
Credit: Reuters/Esam Al-Fetori/Files



By Rania El Gamal

BENGHAZI, Libya | Sat Jul 30, 2011 5:14pm IST

BENGHAZI, Libya (Reuters) - Libyan rebels say the gunmen who shot dead their military chief were fighters allied in their struggle to overthrow Muammar Gaddafi, raising questions over divisions and lawlessness within rebel ranks.

The assassination of Abdel Fattah Younes, apparently by his own side, has hurt the opposition just as it was winning broader international recognition and launching an offensive against Gaddafi's forces in the west of the country.

After 24 hours of confusion, rebel minister Ali Tarhouni said Younes had been killed by fighters who went to fetch him from the front and that his bullet-riddled and partially burnt body was found at ranch near the rebel capital of Benghazi.

Tarhouni said a militia leader had been arrested and had confessed that his subordinates had carried out the killing.

"It was not him. His lieutenants did it," Tarhouni told reporters late on Friday, adding that the killers were at large.

Younes had been part of Gaddafi's inner circle since the 1969 coup that brought the Libyan colonel to power and was interior minister before defecting to the rebels in February.

Many rebels had been uncomfortable working under a man who had been so close to Gaddafi for 41 years, and rebel sources said on Thursday Younes had been recalled over suspicions that he or his family were secretly in contact with Gaddafi.

Rebels were divided over who had killed Younes, some suspecting his execution was ordered by rebel leaders for treason, many believing he was killed by Gaddafi supporters who had infiltrated rebel ranks and still others suggesting a rebel splinter group had acted alone.

Whatever the truth, the killing deepens concerns among the rebels' Western backers, keen to see them prevail in a five-month-old civil war but frustrated by their lack of unity and nervous about the influence of Islamists.

The United States, which like some 30 other nations has formally recognised the opposition, called for solidarity.

"What's important is that they work both diligently and transparently to ensure the unity of the Libyan opposition," State Department spokesman Mark Toner said in Washington.

REBELS TARGET GADDAFI STRONGHOLD

Rebels who rose up against Gaddafi in February have seized swathes of the country but remain poorly equipped and are still far from ousting him, despite support from NATO airstrikes.

Anti-Gaddafi forces said on Saturday they had encircled the Libyan leader's last stronghold in the Western Mountain region and hoped to seize it soon.

Rebel tanks fired at Tiji, where an estimated 500 government troops are stationed, and said the blasts could be heard from the nearby town of Hawamid, which was captured on Thursday.

"We have Tiji surrounded and we hope to take it by the end of the day," rebel commander Nasir al Hamdi, a former colonel in Gaddafi's police force, told Reuters as gunfire crackled in the distance and he surveyed a battleground scattered with tankshell casings and government anti-aircraft bullets.

NATO airstrikes continued in western Libya overnight. NATO said it had bombed three satellite dishes in Tripoli to stop "terror broadcasting", but Libyan state TV remained on the air.

In the east, confusion reigned over who had killed Younes.

Rebel fighters said members of the Feb. 17 Martyrs' Brigade, a rebel group that fights on the front and helps enforce security in the rebel-held east, had collected Younes from the frontline near the oil town of Brega on Thursday.

Younes knew and trusted the men who came to fetch him and went without a struggle when they explained they had a judge's order to take him to Benghazi for questioning, the rebels said.

The Feb. 17 Martyrs Brigade is made up largely of civilian volunteers led by military commanders and is widely used by the Transitional National Council for some policing duties.

However, Tarhouni, the rebel minister, said it was not this group but another militia, the Obaida Ibn Jarrah Brigade, who had killed Younes.

Locals said the Obaida Ibn Jarrah Brigade was mainly comprised of former prisoners of Gaddafi's notorious Abu Salim prison in the capital Tripoli, who had always distrusted Younes.

Named after one of the companions of Islam's Prophet Mohammed, the group is likely to have Islamist leanings.

One rebel commander, who asked not to be named, said Islamists whom Younes had targeted as interior minister may have killed him in retaliation.

"Some of those Islamists are now fighting with the rebels and they have always refused to fight under Younes's command and have always viewed him with suspicion," he said.

"I don't think the investigation will lead anywhere. They don't dare to touch the Islamists."

The government in Tripoli, which has always warned of Islamist influence in the east, said al Qaeda was to blame.

Further complicating an already murky situation, some Libyans said they feared that Younes' death would trigger a bloody tribal feud. At the funeral on Friday, his Obeidi tribe pledged allegiance to the rebel cause.

But in an apparent effort to calm nerves among Younes' relatives, a rebel source said that he could be replaced by Suleiman Mahmoud al-Obeidi, a member of the same tribe.

Another leading candidate to take over as military chief was Khalifa Heftar, who lost an early contest with Younes over leadership of the rebels' military campaign, the source said.

The longer the war drags on, the further eastern Libya appears to slip into lawlessness, raising questions about what kind of Libya could emerge if and when Gaddafi goes.

Tarhouni told reporters on Friday night that an armed gang had attacked a prison, helping about 300 former Gaddafi soldiers and loyalists to escape.

(Additional reporting by Michael Georgy in Hawamid; Mussab Al-Khairalla in Misrata; Missy Ryan in Tripoli; Joseph Nasr in Berlin; Hamid Ould Ahmed in Algiers; writing by Lin Noueihed; editing by Alistair Lyon)


http://in.reuters.com/article/2011/07/30/idINIndia-58532720110730

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Yesterday George Galloway on his show voice of the voiceless on press TV said something very interested.It seems that Gadaffi paid  one million dollars to Tony Blair for his consulting services on some oil deals but whats more interesting he also gave him a list of all persons that where ever working for Libya.Radical groups,Islamic groups, Communists based in Europe.Thats very interesting if Gadaffi sold all this man to CIA there where maybe some Iranian agents on that list too.I do not know what to think about Gadaffi any more but if this is true it is maybe saying why Iran do not care about Gadaffis regime.

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Gaddafi can not win against NATO air support. He has to go to exile.

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Proof that NATO uses cluster bombs in Libya;
 
Terrifying NATO Cluster Bomb in Libya - Raw Footage



Can someone translate what the voices behind the camera are saying? I am just curious are they damning the NATO or what.
There are times like these where the resolve of a Nation is shown clearly to the world. Oh this great Nation of Iran together with its proud citizens showed the world that when the Silent Majority gets rattled the world better pay attention:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ls4I37lQrw&feature=player_embedded#at=42  2011

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbYqckFvUJI&feature=player_embedded   2010

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This brings back sooooo much memory and tears to my eyes.
http://www.iranclip.com/player/169
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Proof that NATO uses cluster bombs in Libya;
 

Can someone translate what the voices behind the camera are saying? I am just curious are they damning the NATO or what.
its not clear... but most of the time they are praying... the rest I cant understand as well...

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Thank you Brother MO.

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Thank you Brother MO.
always a pleasure brother Izi :)

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Blowback will come in due course...I keep saying, this is how Afghanistan and Somalia started..The West will regret ever stepping in Libya!!! Only a matter of time..When Libyans begin to realize their worse off now than under Qaddafi, the same scenario will be repeated..

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libyans will realise how bad they got screwd in due time

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