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Firstly, I think we should possibly rename this thread to make it the "official" thread for the protests in Syria to keep things organized.

Today reports claim there were widespread protests all across Syria including a large number of protesters in the capital Damascus and with these reports includes claims of 49 protesters dead.

Now because of this, most US media outlets are claiming that the tone of the protests has changed from calls of reform to calls for regime change. This includes claimed footage of protesters decapitatiing a statue of Hafez Assad. Now I personally take such reports with a grain of salt but I am honestly very troubled by what's happening in Syria.

Regardless as to what you think of the Assad family, one can not deny the their rule has been the only stable period in recent Syrian history (if I remember properly there were 24 political revolutions before Hafez Assad came to power) and one wonders what will happen should his son fall from power. What is the likelihood of another government being able to rule Syria with real stability?

This article in ForeignPolicy magazine I think somes up the importance of what is happening in Syria right now..
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/04/21/syriana
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Indeed - I can't help but think chaos theory, if the assad regime falls. That is unlikely however, atleast not before Assad kills thousands. In my eyes , Syria has been the difficult one to form an opinion on. A pro-saudi regime is unacceptable, but at the same time I'm saddened to see many have been killed or will be killed.

Restraint must be practiced by both sides.

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u crack me up! why the sudden change of heart? I thought I was defending murderers???
Im Sunni by mind, Shia by Heart, and Muslim by soul! La Ellaha Ela Allah!

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i prefer secular murders like assad to zionists and salafits, who will win if assad falls. and i like the truth and not lies.

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i prefer secular murders like assad to zionists and salafits, who will win if assad falls. and i like the truth and not lies.
lol once a liar always a liar!

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If Assad falls, everybody's f*cked in the region. You may ask why? Well, here's why..The organizers of these protests are stationed in Lebanon and Jordan with a huge dose of Saudi dollars.The Syrian Muslim brotherhood is pretty much like the Saudi backed Taliban in Afghanistan.The most extremist of Salafi, Wahhabis nut-jobs.Totally different from the Egyptian MB.

If Assad really feels threatened, something really bad will happen in Lebanon and maybe Jordan. If the violence ever get to the point of Libya, all hell will break lose and even not Israel will be spared.Remember, Syria's army's not as weak as Qaddafi's . We're looking at a major regional war in the making, folks -  with clear Saudi instigation.Someone really needs to put them in their place...

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An interesting new development..The Syrian government is apparently blaming the protests on "Ultraconservative Muslims" and "Salafists". This shocked me a bit since I would expect Assad to blame outside forces (Syrian opposition and possible American interfereance) and not Muslims.

Salafist extremism is imported from the occupied Hejaz ("Saudi" Arabia). It is thus foreign to Syrian Islamic traditions.

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the true face of the assad regime.

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thats what happens when u play with fire.... u expect them to just bend over and hand Syria to Izrael on a platter! Alot of people are going to die, the sooner these protesters realise that the better off they are! Since these protesters are so brave why not go protest at the izraeli border, the zionist regime who took their land... instead they are willing to get killed by their own people in order for zionists journalists to provide you with this video to change public opinion about Syria internal politics.... So see what Izrael is doing to the Palestinians!! I HAVENT SEEN U POST ONE VID ON IZRAEL OR THE MASS MURDERS IN BAHRAIN! Yet ur so bent on undermining the Syrian regime! You are more shameful than I thought! Zionist azzkizzer!

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What a mess.

This is for sure going to permanently mess up any possible relations between Syria and Saudi/PGCC and their western masters.

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What a mess.

This is for sure going to permanently mess up any possible relations between Syria and Saudi/PGCC and their western masters.
I call it a waste of life... wasted life for nothing bro, they wont achieve anything out of this! If anything Syria will take a harder stance on them....  and notice this as well, these vids help no ones agenda but the zionists, and look at who is posting it... kinda figures...  he hasnt posted anything in the saudi or bahrainian thread! yet he is so hard bent over on Syria for some reason... he thinks that this only happens there! Where was Joseph on the Lybia thread? where was he on the Egyptian thread?  :think:

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the true face of "peaceful protesters"
"Eye witnesses report seeing around 20 masked men on motorcycles open fire on a home in a Christian village outside Dara’a, in southern Syria.
Another source told ICC that churches had received threatening letters over Easter, telling them either to join the protests or leave.
In Karak, Muslim Salafists forced villagers to join the protests and remove pictures of the president from their home. One man who refused was reportedly found hanged on his front porch the next morning.
Another source told ICC that protesters in Duma, a suburb of Damascus, were last week heard shouting: “Alawites to the grave and Christians to Beirut!”
http://www.christianpost.com/news/christians-under-attack-from-anti-government-protestors-in-syria-50104/
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keep living in a dream world! ur such a kid!

There is some proof to what he says, only its taken out of context.(regarding Syrian back and forth copperation/tensions with the so-called west and all that he said).
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Salafist extremism is imported from the occupied Hejaz ("Saudi" Arabia). It is thus foreign to Syrian Islamic traditions.


I don't regard some of these types Muslims. They are prepared to destroy holy places, ancient stuff and things like that(like in Bahrain) to serve their masters for their protection. A true Muslim can never do such a thing time after time.

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thats what happens when u play with fire.... u expect them to just bend over and hand Syria to Izrael on a platter!

syria is on israel side it has not gone to fight israel once and it has done nothing for the golan the syrian mafia family regime would abandon thier so called support for resistance if the zionist gave the golan to them, bashar even said he wanted to have relations with israel like that of mubarak, so shut up you little propagandist.

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Alot of people are going to die, the sooner these protesters realise that the better off they are! Since these protesters are so brave why not go protest at the izraeli border, the zionist regime who took their land

AND WHY DOSENT BASHAR AND MAHER SEND THIER TANKS AND PEOPLE TO THE GOLAN TO TAKE IT BACK FROM THE ZIONISTS. and proesting in peace is illegal wanting freedom is illegal, the people in the videos had no guns had no bombs, they were protesting in peace when they were shot and massacred by the ..

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instead they are willing to get killed by their own people in order for zionists journalists to provide

the network is sham network it is arab and the people who filmed this was the protestor.

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If anything Syria will take a harder stance on them

so it is okay to massacre innocent people protesting in peace, it is okay to arrest thosands of people, and to kill girls and children, yallah you are such a hypocrite.

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There is some proof to what he says, only its taken out of context.(regarding Syrian back and forth copperation/tensions with the so-called west and all that he said).
he should concentrate his truth fact finding mission on where it needs it, to start with Syria doesnt make sense to me while the wahabis are being untouched by any post he makes... just remember who this vid helps more, do u want Syria to become another Lybia or Iraq for that matter?

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syria is on israel side it has not gone to fight israel once and it has done nothing for the golan the syrian mafia family regime would abandon thier so called support for resistance if the zionist gave the golan to them, bashar even said he wanted to have relations with israel like that of mubarak, so shut up you little propagandist.

AND WHY DOSENT BASHAR AND MAHER SEND THIER TANKS AND PEOPLE TO THE GOLAN TO TAKE IT BACK FROM THE ZIONISTS. and proesting in peace is illegal wanting freedom is illegal, the people in the videos had no guns had no bombs, they were protesting in peace when they were shot and massacred by the ..

the network is sham network it is arab and the people who filmed this was the protestor.

so it is okay to massacre innocent people protesting in peace, it is okay to arrest thosands of people, and to kill girls and children, yallah you are such a hypocrite.


first of all this is the last time ill allow u to say shut up to me... next time ill report u so keep ur mouth clean u little dirty zionist or I will be using the same tone with you! I hope you take me seriously this time u child!

second of all: Syria gives Palestinians just as much rights as any Syrian and they treat us with Equality as well as accepting a LARGE number of Palestinian refugees!! u fail to mention this! Lebanon on the other hand treat Palestinian like dump, they make them live in concentration camps that are only suitable for the likes of you and your kind! Hariri ur lover is even worst than Assad will ever be! At the very least Assad he treats me like a first class citizen!

Third: Bashar will eventually free Palestine with the help of its allies... and to just send tanks in Izrael is actually just plain dumb and stupid! do you realise what ur saying or are u just saying it out of ignorance? how old are seriously? do u have a brain  to think with or do u want me to that for u as well? Protesting in peace isnt a problem, and wanting freedom isnt a problem as well.... but there are group taking ur agenda and making it part of theirs... these groups dont want freedom like these protesters do, they want control just like the rebels in Lybia want it, They use these protesters as their excuse when they should be concentrating their efforts on the Izraeli side.... eliminate Izrael and ask for as much freedom as u want, but dont start asking for freedom right when the enemy is looking for the slightest excuse to go in Syria and treat it just like Iraq was treated and Lybia as well... alot of people died, is that what u want? more people to die for ur freedom? when the person who took ur freedom in the first place and put us in this position is laughing at how ur doing him a big favour? think about it you child! They stay getting shot until they learn that there enemy (Izrael) is using them in the SAME MANNER YOU ARE TO GET UR POINT ACROSS! get it! or would u like me to explain further!!!!

Wether the network is sham or not its not helping anyone by doing this, because who does this vid benefit? what will u get out of it? freedom? explain it please because I have been to Syria on many occasions and I never get harassed I walk freely in the street and I say anything I want as long as it doesnt involve the leaders of the country, this might not be the ultimate freedom but at least for me its better than the zionist and amerikkkan system, Syria as a country doesnt owe money to any other nation, its independent on its self! If you cannot comprehend what Syria is in your little brain then refrain from talking about Syria at all! looks like ur on the other side of the gate to begin with... just look at the way ur talking as if u a zionist! Syria has never made peace with Izrael and never will unlike ur hariri and wahabi friends who shake their hands and kiss their feet on a daily basis! even when the zionist regime is suffering Wahabia arabia and ur hariri start to support them indirectly! Get ur facts straight boy!

I never said its ok to kill people you MORON!!!! stop twisting my words for they will be ur last! understand!! I mean it, next time I will report you for twisting me words and lying! If you want my true honest opinion then ill give it to u (all u could have done was ask politely), I believe both sides are at fault... I believe Syria is to blame for these kinds of killings and I dont think its right or excusable...  but hey... ur enemy is laughing!!! I dont think protesting like that by burning cars and looting and destroying shops is going to get u anywhere either its wrong... my colleague is Syrian and he recently went back to get me some news and when he was passing the protesters with his car and in it was his wife as well, they threw a huge rock on their car... for absolutely no reason!!! If this is the attitude u ask freedom then really you dont deserve jack SHIT! u want freedom go to Saudi arabia maybe they will give u exactly what ur looking for u puppet! this is what I also believe: If you kill one innocent man then you are killing the whole world and there is no excuse!




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Israeli Forces, Tanks Cross into Gaza



Israeli occupation forces backed by tanks and bulldozers have crossed into the Gaza Strip, destroying Palestinian farmlands in north of the enclave.

Israeli soldiers apparently entered the Palestinian territory from Karni crossing on Wednesday and advanced hundreds of meters toward the east of Gaza City.

According to Press TV's correspondent in Gaza, Israeli soldiers dug a series of holes in the area and filled them with explosives.

Israeli soldiers then blew up the explosives, causing loud explosions in the area, our correspondent added.

Israeli officials claim that the troops were searching and destroying "possible tunnels" in the area that could be used by Palestinian resistance fighters to enter Israeli posts and capture Israeli soldiers.

But analysts believe the Israeli attack aimed at provoking Palestinian fighters into firing on Israeli troops, which could have escalated the situation.

It was the first Israeli attack on Gaza after the two main Palestinian factions, Hamas and Fatah, signed a unity deal.

Israel has repeatedly voiced anger at the reconciliation accord signed between the two Palestinian groups which aimed at forming a Palestinian unity government.


http://www.almanar.com.lb/english/adetails.php?fromval=2&cid=23&frid=23&seccatid=23&eid=15193



WHILE UR LOVELY PROTESTERS ARE DOING THIS IZRAEL (OUR COMMON ENEMY) IS DOING THAT!


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PEACEFUL PROTESTS MY ASS!!!

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second of all: Syria gives Palestinians just as much rights as any Syrian and they treat us with Equality as well as accepting a LARGE number of Palestinian refugees!! u fail to mention this! Lebanon on the other hand treat Palestinian like dump, they make them live in concentration camps that are only suitable for the likes of you and your kind! Hariri ur lover is even worst than Assad will ever be! At the very least Assad he treats me like a first class citizen!


yes and king hussien made all the palestinian refugees in jordan citizens of jordan, that does not change the fact that he is a zionist tool.

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Third: Bashar will eventually free Palestine with the help of its allies...


lol bashar will liberate palestine when i become the supreme kaisar of germany, which is never.

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and to just send tanks in Izrael is actually just plain dumb and stupid! do you realise what ur saying or are u just saying it out of ignorance? how old are seriously? do u have a brain  to think with or do u want me to that for u as well?


why is it stupid, this mafia family of assad can send tanks and soldires to dera to homs, to massacre people yet he can not send his armies to the golan which is occupied he can not do anything to the golan while massacreing his people, it shows how pathetic his regime is, that the only thing he can use his armies for is killing his own people.

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Protesting in peace isnt a problem, and wanting freedom isnt a problem as well.... but there are group taking ur agenda and making it part of theirs... these groups dont want freedom like these protesters do, they want control just like the rebels in Lybia want it, They use these protesters as their excuse when they should be concentrating their efforts on the Izraeli side.... eliminate Izrael and ask for as much freedom as u want, but dont start asking for freedom right when the enemy is looking for the slightest excuse to go in Syria and treat it just like Iraq was treated and Lybia as well... alot of people died, is that what u want? more people to die for ur freedom? when the person who took ur freedom in the first place and put us in this position is laughing at how ur doing him a big favour? think about it you child! They stay getting shot until they learn that there enemy (Izrael) is using them in the SAME MANNER YOU ARE TO GET UR POINT ACROSS! get it! or would u like me to explain further!!!!


why dosen't bashar send his armies to elimnate israel. the people of syria want freedom from his dicdatorship they want democracy and america and nato and europe and the un has done nothing about syria. and only democracy and freedom can destroy israel not corupt dicadorships.

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what will u get out of it? freedom? explain it please because I have been to Syria on many occasions and I never get harassed I walk freely in the street and I say anything I want as long as it doesnt involve the leaders of the country, this might not be the ultimate freedom but at least for me its better than the zionist and amerikkkan system, Syria as a country doesnt owe money to any other nation, its independent on its self! If you cannot comprehend what Syria is in your little brain then refrain from talking about Syria at all! looks like ur on the other side of the gate to begin with... just look at the way ur talking as if u a zionist! Syria has never made peace with Izrael and never will unlike ur hariri and wahabi friends who shake their hands and kiss their feet on a daily basis! even when the zionist regime is suffering Wahabia arabia and ur hariri start to support them indirectly! Get ur facts straight boy!


i cannot comprehand, a little rich kid who goes to syria can not comprehand how poor the country is, how bad the people live thier, and how bad thier economy is, how corupt the government is look up rami makhlouf, and i have also been to tunisia several times in vacation and while ben ali was president and i never got harrassed by the intelgence service or police but that dosen't change the fact that the tunisian people hate ben ali.

and peace "Syrian President Bashar Assad said Monday that he is willing to sign a peace agreement with Israel in exchange for the Golan Heights" http://www.****.***/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=176311 and sayid hariri has never shaked hands with a zionist and said the lebanon will be the last country in the world to make peace

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I believe both sides are at fault... I believe Syria is to blame for these kinds of killings and I dont think its right or excusable...  but hey... ur enemy is laughing!!! I dont think protesting like that by burning cars and looting and destroying shops is going to get u anywhere either its wrong


were has thier been looting were has thier been burning of cars or destroying shops, no where it is just propaganda, and the videos you show it is natrual for people to destroy the images of those opressing them or do you want them to kiss the picture of bashar and bow down to hafez.

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Some things to clarify if you guys don't mind:

1. Peace with Israel
Both Bashir and his father have made public statements that would suggest they would be willing to sign a treaty of peace with Israel in exchange for the Golan Heights. However Bashir has also stated he preferred some of kind of agreement between Israelis and Palestinians before he would agree to a treaty with Israel. However the recent talks that Turkey sponsored actually collapsed because the Israelis demanded Syria kick out HAMAS, Islamic Jihad, abandon Hezbollah and end their defence pact with Iran. As you might expect both sides saw each other's demands as unreasonable and they collapsed as such.

2. "Send in the Tanks"-
While not getting into a long drawn out Syrian-Israel war scenario..Syria probably hasn't sent tanks to the border with Israel for all these years simply because Assad isn't sure he can win. If he was fairly certain he could win he likely wouldn't bother with peace talks with Turkey serving as mediator. Likely, the Syrian military is more oriented towards deterring Israel from acting too aggressively against Syria but little more (a trend evidenced by their purchasing habits by the Syria Air Force). Futher evidence of this is that there are believed to be hundreds if not thousands of Syrian tanks that placed in defensive positions (aka "dug in") along the UN-run buffer zone between Israel and Syria, a practice not done by the Israelis (who instead keep a fairly small force near the border and many more farther away ready to head for the border should they be needed).

Now personally, I think there is some blame for these protests is on Assad's shoulders because I think he waited too long to announce political reforms (which he originally said he would put through years ago), the conflicting statements by the Syrian government during the early phase of the protests (some saying they would introduce reforms, others saying there would be no compromise), and Assad pretending it was his cabinet's fault these reforms didn't happen. If he had personally announced reforms and that HE would put them into effect instead of him saying he would leave that job up to the rubber stamp legislature I think alot of the momentum behind the current protest/revolts would have disappeared.
 
Just my thoughts.
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yes and king hussien made all the palestinian refugees in jordan citizens of jordan, that does not change the fact that he is a zionist tool.


lol bashar will liberate palestine when i become the supreme kaisar of germany, which is never.



why is it stupid, this mafia family of assad can send tanks and soldires to dera to homs, to massacre people yet he can not send his armies to the golan which is occupied he can not do anything to the golan while massacreing his people, it shows how pathetic his regime is, that the only thing he can use his armies for is killing his own people.

why dosen't bashar send his armies to elimnate israel. the people of syria want freedom from his dicdatorship they want democracy and america and nato and europe and the un has done nothing about syria. and only democracy and freedom can destroy israel not corupt dicadorships.

i cannot comprehand, a little rich kid who goes to syria can not comprehand how poor the country is, how bad the people live thier, and how bad thier economy is, how corupt the government is look up rami makhlouf, and i have also been to tunisia several times in vacation and while ben ali was president and i never got harrassed by the intelgence service or police but that dosen't change the fact that the tunisian people hate ben ali.

and peace "Syrian President Bashar Assad said Monday that he is willing to sign a peace agreement with Israel in exchange for the Golan Heights" http://www.****.***/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=176311 and sayid hariri has never shaked hands with a zionist and said the lebanon will be the last country in the world to make peace

were has thier been looting were has thier been burning of cars or destroying shops, no where it is just propaganda, and the videos you show it is natrual for people to destroy the images of those opressing them or do you want them to kiss the picture of bashar and bow down to hafez.


I was going to reply, but then I thought about it more... ur not worth the hassle! believe what u want just know ur not helping anyone but ur self with the one sided argument u have..

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