Author Topic: Updates on Military Action in Syria (Read 246548 times)

mustavaris · « **Reply #600 on:** July 21, 2012, 09:10:50 AM »

Syria is under foreign supported attack. I am not supporting unrestricted violence, but determined action towards armed combatants and those who refuse to lay down their arms, must face the consequences. Wahhabi/Salafi ideology is like Nazism and Communism: they must be opposed and if they choose the path of violence, talking is not going to help too much. This of course does not mean that we should ban those ideas [human rights, you know!], but when they step over the line, they must be swiftly and decisively dealt with. And I have no love for Assad´s regime for sure. But democratic reform in Syria, it is another issue altogether. What we see, is Talibanization and foreign imposed chaos.

You are really messed up when you think that human rights mean that you are not allowed to defend your country/people.

And that Israeli card, so to speak, that´s plain pathetic. Rememer, you are not universalist, you are not supposed to talk like that;) When you are not, do not even pretend to be.

Quote from: rouz on July 21, 2012, 08:54:16 AM

Excuse me, but what happened to the human rights you spoke so highly of earlier? Israeli occupiers are no better than the Wahhabi. In fact, the presence of Israeli occupiers have caused far more death and suffering than a few ragtag Saudi goat f*ckers ever has or will.

reza18 · « **Reply #601 on:** July 21, 2012, 09:27:14 AM »

The fact that they're blocking SANA news from operating is a telling sign that someone doesn't like the truth coming out...It also shows you that this war against Syria is mainly based in the media..The terrorist fake Syrian army only have to do something stupid and the BBC, CNN etc will all be reporting their favourite "activist say" stories..

I hope people are waking up to these schemes...There's no such thing as freedom of speech. Like "human rights", they're all political tool to disarm their opponents...

mustavaris · « **Reply #602 on:** July 21, 2012, 09:30:06 AM »

Truth or not truth... freedom of information is one of the most fundamental rights and if SANA is blocked, how it is different from what IRI government or Chicom entity does?

Human rights are human rights and must be defended and fought for. They do not become non-existent because some of the rotten governments of the West use them selectively in order to advance their own policies.

rouz · « **Reply #603 on:** July 21, 2012, 09:57:50 AM »

Mustavaris,

If colonial conquest, ethnic cleansing and the establishment of an apartheid state does not count as acts of aggression then what does? The state of Israel and all those who live in it are actively oppressing the Palestinian people and committing war crimes on a daily basis. While you speak of human rights, the illegal settlements are being expanded and the Palestinian population is being displaced into ghettos. The Palestinians have every right to fight the Apartheid state of Israel (and the subsequent western expansion) by the means they have at their disposal. I refuse to accept that only those with a military industrial complex are entitled to fight. As in all conflicts, terror is a common military tactic that discourages and disheartens the enemy - and neither you nor I have the right to condemn those who struggle against a far superior enemy. Looking at historical as well as current trends, conventional warfare accounts for nearly all of the unjust civilian sufferings and deaths. It is, to say the least, hypocritical to accept conventional warfare but condemn those fighting on their own.

All those who live in occupied territories are valid targets as their presence is used as a tactic to legitimize and expand occupation.

I have said just about all I have to say regarding this matter.

mustavaris · « **Reply #604 on:** July 21, 2012, 11:08:29 AM »

And when you believe that killing random tourists who are in a country that is not connected to the conflict it is more than obvious that you support US drone strikes in countries like Yemen or Pakistan as they are at least directed at alleged enemy combatants. Or you are just shameless hypocrite. Might is right ethics are fine of course, but you gotta be true to them elsewhere too. Relativism.. that is just disgusting.

Anyway, you painted yourself into corner dear Rouz: if we as outsiders cannot (shouldnt) condemn the actions of those who attacked those Israelis, couldn´t you just shut up and stop whining about the Israelis doing this or that?

mustavaris · « **Reply #605 on:** July 21, 2012, 11:14:34 AM »

Gotta give credit for the Swedish education system and society, they have managed to infect rouz with immense dose of relativism.

Liverpool Forever · « **Reply #606 on:** July 21, 2012, 11:40:08 AM »

Syria 24 English
about an hour ago
#Syria #RealSyria - Syrian Arab Army proceeds with full cleansing to the areas of Damascus and its countryside out of terrorists and their armed presence.

On Saturday Dawn, the Syrian Arab Army controls over Yabroud and Al-Dummier after severe clashes with the terrorists, in which resulted in heavy losses upon their ranks.

In Barze area, the Syrian Army controls over the whole area as taking back the Security Detachment in Al-Tal, after the terrorists attempted several times to take over.

The Breaking News Correspondent reported that the Syrian Arab Army liberated Al-Khoumaine Hospital located in Al-Saieda Zinab, where he takes full control of the whole area.

In Al-Kaboun, the Syrian Army kills more than 150 militants, of who killed and terrorized Syrian civilians
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Syria-24-English/298382103530912
Syria 24 English
about an hour ago
#Syria #RealSyria - Syrian Arab Army Advance in Annihilating Terrorists in #Damascus

M.D
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Syria-24-English/298382103530912

rouz · « **Reply #607 on:** July 21, 2012, 11:53:08 AM »

Mustavaris, I don't know why you go on about relativism. Ultimately, I'm saying that killing is wrong regardless of how it is done, whether it be by conventional or non-conventional means. However, if there is a war and we accept that one side uses its might to kill off the other, then we must accept that the other responds in however way it can. Get it? My only point it that we should apply the same standards to everyone, and that this bluntness will make people wake up to the nature of war. It is your sugar coating of armed conflicts that is extremely hypercritical and dangerous since the public now thinks that everything is done by surgical strikes and only bad guys get hurt

There were no random tourists killed, they were Israeli occupiers and as such part of the ongoing ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. They are therefor valid military targets.

You are hypocritical since you are OK with conventional military action but oppose unconventional means, this despite that conventional warfare has given us mass killings that make even the worst of terrorist acts seem bland. And you call me relativist because I think all warfare is terror, or because I think the same moral standards should be applied in case of war?

mustavaris · « **Reply #608 on:** July 21, 2012, 12:02:16 PM »

So... as every Muslim man should do his best in a way or another to further the goal of liberation of the Levantine lands from the Zionist occupation, any Muslim man is a legit target of Israeli aggression?

Liverpool Forever · « **Reply #609 on:** July 21, 2012, 12:07:17 PM »

#syria

Twenty armed men have been captured in Naher Aisheh in #Damascus. Four armed men were injured, among them a Jordanian armed man. Weapons and computer devices were also siezed.

By : Journalist Hosein Mortada

syria news
about an hour ago

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=262629617185739&set=a.110127495769286.13480.110113882437314&type=1&theater

rouz · « **Reply #610 on:** July 21, 2012, 12:10:08 PM »

Quote from: mustavaris on July 21, 2012, 12:02:16 PM

So... as every Muslim man should do his best in a way or another to further the goal of liberation of the Levantine lands from the Zionist occupation, any Muslim man is a legit target of Israeli aggression?

When did I say that? I said those at war or in occupation have the right to resist. Random acts of terrorism is not the topic here.

reza18 · « **Reply #611 on:** July 21, 2012, 01:01:21 PM »

The Syrian army is trained to fight conventional wars and specifically against Israel..The influx of small team death squads and such is hard to deal with in that they don't move in a uniform group..A bunch of 10 terrorists can hold up an entire neighbourhood and cause lots of destruction..They use snipers, booby trap bombs etc..

I think the Syrian army must re-evaluate their entire strategy of engagement..This kinda war is won by good intelligence..How come the Syrian army are not able to control the airwaves? The rebels use radios to communicate and coordinate their attacks..These can be intercepted or jammed or even hacked to feed the receiver bogus info..It still boggle my mind why it took so long for the army to act..

Ich · « **Reply #612 on:** July 21, 2012, 01:08:54 PM »

Its hard but good training for syrian armee. So they can learn a lot for asymetric warfare and will strengthen their stand against israel in long term.

Liverpool Forever · « **Reply #613 on:** July 21, 2012, 04:21:24 PM »

syria news
17 minutes ago
#syria
Syrian Army kills a group of terrorists who attacked Naseeb border crossing with Jordan
http://www.facebook.com/syria.news.news

euclid41 · « **Reply #614 on:** July 21, 2012, 04:34:05 PM »

Quote from: mustavaris on July 21, 2012, 11:08:29 AM

And when you believe that killing random tourists who are in a country that is not connected to the conflict it is more than obvious that you support US drone strikes in countries like Yemen or Pakistan as they are at least directed at alleged enemy combatants. Or you are just shameless hypocrite. Might is right ethics are fine of course, but you gotta be true to them elsewhere too. Relativism.. that is just disgusting.

Anyway, you painted yourself into corner dear Rouz: if we as outsiders cannot (shouldnt) condemn the actions of those who attacked those Israelis, couldn´t you just shut up and stop whining about the Israelis doing this or that?

Don't want to hijack this thread, but how does anyone really know that they were Israeli tourist? It's a fact that Israel does disguise their agents as tourists with fake passports.

Bhārata · « **Reply #615 on:** July 21, 2012, 04:52:24 PM »

Good to see more terrorist scum have been welcomed with a bullet in there head since i last logged in yesterday

Liverpool Forever · « **Reply #616 on:** July 21, 2012, 05:45:30 PM »

Syrian Truth | English
26 minutes ago
Syria #syria #Syriantruth

Syrian Truth l Alikhbaria l Idleb

Armed forces clashed with a terrorist armed group in Al-Rami area , which resulted in killing a number of terrorists .

Syrian Truth | English
13 minutes ago
Syria #syria #Syriantruth

Syrian Truth l Alikhbaria l Homs

competent authorities foiled an infiltration attempt by a a terrorist armed group from the Lebanese territories towards Syria from Al Jousieh ,inflicting heavy losses among its members.

Syrian Truth | English
42 minutes ago
Syria #syria #Syriantruth

Syrian Truth l SANA l Tunisian Report: Tunisian Young Man Killed in al-Midan Neighborhood

Jul 21, 2012

TUNIS, (SANA)_Tunisian reports said that al-Qaeda-linked young man was killed during the military campaign to cleanse al-Midan neighborhood of armed terrorist groups.

The reports indicated that the Tunisian young man, Marwan Ashouri, formerly a resident in al-Saijoumy neighborhood in Tunis, travelled to Syria to join ''Jihad".

The reports indicated that the young man was a member of the salafi Jihadist movement before joining al-Qaeda-linked "Nusrat al-Sham Front" in Syria.

The reports considered Marwan Ashouri another victim of religion-traders who lure young men and exploit their fervor in futile battles.

The competent authorities arrested a number of Tunisians who sneaked to Syria via Turkey.

http://www.facebook.com/syrian.truth.e

reza18 · « **Reply #617 on:** July 21, 2012, 07:55:42 PM »

So, these young Jihadis that leave home to fight the white-man's wars in foreign countries in the name of Allah, what do their parents think of them?

Ey_Baba · « **Reply #618 on:** July 22, 2012, 01:49:30 AM »

Quote from: Bolbol on July 19, 2012, 11:46:02 PM

Iran is a neighbor, it is deemed by the Syrian people as a friendly, Muslim nation. If Basijis would be sent there, it would be to establish a security belt, possibly provide training to civilian volunteerd. They would not be there to topple the government and to rob the natural resources of its people. No comparison.

فطايس الجيش الهر بالقابون الأن 19 7 2012

Secular muslim country***

The majority of those who support the current presideten are secularists. Why would a practicing Muslim support Assad, apart from his standpoint against Israelis.

If they find a president who is a practicing muslim, and who will strive to bring in Sharia law in their country, and sees Israel as an enemy, would you then want Assad as a leder in Syria?

Yes, I know that there are many salafister which is part of the opposition group, and God forbid if they get power in Syria. Then it is of course better that Assad should rule the country. But must it be either Assad or salafists ?

Liverpool Forever · « **Reply #619 on:** July 22, 2012, 04:41:34 AM »

Syria 24 English
about an hour ago
The Syrian Army declares al-Qarabees in #Homs a safe area after cleansing it from armed terrorist groups.

M.D

Syria 24 English
about an hour ago
Syrian Army declares Barzeh & Qaboon in #Damascus safe areas after days of battling with terrorist groups that infiltrated the area.

M.D
Syria 24 English shared الإعلامي حسين مرتضى's status.
2 hours ago
More than 100 militants were killed on the Lebanese border at Jose area after clashes with the Syrian army and among the dead are five Lebanese man from the town of #Arsal.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Syria-24-English/298382103530912

reza18 · « **Reply #620 on:** July 22, 2012, 06:40:18 AM »

Quote from: Ey_Baba on July 22, 2012, 01:49:30 AM

Secular muslim country***

The majority of those who support the current presideten are secularists. Why would a practicing Muslim support Assad, apart from his standpoint against Israelis.

If they find a president who is a practicing muslim, and who will strive to bring in Sharia law in their country, and sees Israel as an enemy, would you then want Assad as a leder in Syria?

Yes, I know that there are many salafister which is part of the opposition group, and God forbid if they get power in Syria. Then it is of course better that Assad should rule the country. But must it be either Assad or salafists ?

Assad IS a Muslim although a tolerant one..Kinda like in Iran..Shia Islam is not fanatic and very tolerant than the Wahabi idiots ruling Hejaz and trying to export their brand/interpretation of Islam to Syria - by force..In Syria, Christians, Sunnis, Alawites, Shia etc. all lived together in peace until the PGCC pigs started pumping money into the maddrasas to brainwash the kids..Syrians never saw themselves as Sunni/Shia. That idea came from the PGCC pigs..And the reason the oppositon haven't got a lot of support is purely because of this..No sane Syrian, be it Sunni, Shia, Druze, Christian, Alawite etc. will want to live under the Wahabi/Salafi a*sholes..

You see, the problem with Salai/Wahabi jihadis is that they believe apart from their views, nothing else matters and they're prepared to kill everyone that doesn't agree with them..This ideology wil never be tolerated in Syria..They will be wiped out..

mustavaris · « **Reply #621 on:** July 22, 2012, 06:48:23 AM »

Never to mention that Christians (and others) were (are) free to advance in the society.. If Syria managed to do one thing, it was the way they managed the interfaith relations. But well, Wahhabis won´t have to think too much when they do their stuff:D

mustavaris · « **Reply #622 on:** July 22, 2012, 06:49:22 AM »

Whatever. Hypocrite.

Quote from: rouz on July 21, 2012, 12:10:08 PM

When did I say that? I said those at war or in occupation have the right to resist. Random acts of terrorism is not the topic here.

rouz · « **Reply #623 on:** July 22, 2012, 07:48:24 AM »

Quote from: mustavaris on July 22, 2012, 06:49:22 AM

Whatever. Hypocrite.

Great comeback. That proves the image of Finns being an uncultured bunch. Go back living in your remote forest, contemplating suicide over your dull life. You are an uneducated looser with a pony tail and military fetish.

kaman · « **Reply #624 on:** July 22, 2012, 08:16:44 AM »

Quote from: Ey_Baba on July 22, 2012, 01:49:30 AM

Secular muslim country***

The majority of those who support the current presideten are secularists. Why would a practicing Muslim support Assad, apart from his standpoint against Israelis.

If they find a president who is a practicing muslim, and who will strive to bring in Sharia law in their country, and sees Israel as an enemy, would you then want Assad as a leder in Syria?

Yes, I know that there are many salafister which is part of the opposition group, and God forbid if they get power in Syria. Then it is of course better that Assad should rule the country. But must it be either Assad or salafists ?

The so called regime change promoted by the west and western-Syrian-Sellouts is just a facade. They want the end of Syria as a nation, splitting it into pieces. It is amazing to see that these Salafists/Wahabis and So called opposition don't mention even once the return of the occupied territories to Syira (Golan). If they are so patriotic and devoted to Syria why don't they should go to Golan and get these territories back!!! These people are bunch of coward whahabis (wahabis are coward by definition) since they never fight wars directly, they just finance mercs.