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Okay i am making this thread because i was looking threw wilkipedia at the missiles owned by all nations, when i got to india i saw they are making quite a few hypersonic missiles and i was a bit jealous and annoyd that we have not made any. in my mind we really need to start working on hyper sonic missiles because they will increase our capabilities greatly.

we have the HOOT underwater torpedo, which some people say we were bluffing about but i do think we have it, thats the only truly fast missile we have.

currently india has

the Shaurya hypersonic ballastic missile and the brahmos (supersonic) and they are intending to make the barhmos 2 (hypersonic)

their entire missile list is in the link below.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_missiles_by_nation

anyway do you think we be able to make something like the SHAURYA missile or the barhmos 2??
sorry but i keep thinking that if we make really fast missiles we have better capabilities if i am wrong forgive me.

also please tell me how much do you think india is more advanced than us in missile tech or other military fields, please try and give me an answer in years.
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i understand, but they would really help us out, i mean if we make a cruise missile like with speed mach 5 it would really help us destroy american war ships in case of war.

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age arteshe iran be daste ma bood iran alan sad brabad gavitar bood :)

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Iranies sos mis idolos weones locos musulmanes fantasticos es la profesia de nostradamus parce pero bn los espartanos los vencieron y alejandro magno tambien asi que la NATO tambien los vencera bn pz camaradas iranies los dejo ppe.

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Iranies sos mis idolos weones locos musulmanes fantasticos es la profesia de nostradamus parce pero bn los espartanos los vencieron y alejandro magno tambien asi que la NATO tambien los vencera bn pz camaradas iranies los dejo ppe.

Usted tiene una visión muy simple de la política y la historia. Te aconsejo que se informe más. La paz sea contigo.

"My Lord, grant me success in struggling during failure, in having patience in disappointment, in going alone, in Jihad without weapons, in working without pay, in making sacrifice in silence, in having religious belief in the world, in having ideology without popular traditions, in having faith without pretensions, non-conformity without immaturity, beauty without physical appearance, loneliness in the crowd, and loving without the beloved knowing about it. My Lord, You teach me how to live; I shall learn how to die."
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It is disgusting that you compare Iran with India.India is free for almost 60 yrs now.Still it doesn't have the same power as the superpowers have.Iran was in a big financial crisis in the war which lasted for almost 10 yrs.Also unlike India we are not someone's ally or servants.Wait for another 20 yrs and you would see Iran way ahead.Iran has its own capabilities while India depends upon the world.You should mind that Iran is isolated from the rest of the world,India is not.The +ve point is leaving India behind Iran is way ahead in the GDP per capita which stands at 13000 USD.
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Hypersonic missiles are expensive, it would be an inefficient allocation of resources if Iran were to make them. The Brahmos is not actually an Indian design, it is Russian and costs £3.2 million each, and it is in fact supersonic, not even hypersonic, imgaine how much brahmos 2 would cost.

Their only hypersonic missile is a ballistic missile and all ballistic missiles are hypersonic, so in fact Iran has plenty of hypersonic missiles.

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chritian troy, what is he saying? its in french

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It is disgusting that you compare Iran with India.India is free for almost 60 yrs now.Still it doesn't have the same power as the superpowers have.Iran was in a big financial crisis in the war which lasted for almost 10 yrs.Also unlike India we are not someone's ally or servants.Wait for another 20 yrs and you would see Iran way ahead.Iran has its own capabilities while India depends upon the world.You should mind that Iran is isolated from the rest of the world,India is not.The +ve point is leaving India behind Iran is way ahead in the GDP per capita which stands at 13000 USD.

what are you saying bro, thats why i am asking this in the first place i am saying if the indians can make it then we sure should be able to.
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Hypersonic missiles are expensive, it would be an inefficient allocation of resources if Iran were to make them. The Brahmos is not actually an Indian design, it is Russian and costs £3.2 million each, and it is in fact supersonic, not even hypersonic, imgaine how much brahmos 2 would cost.

Their only hypersonic missile is a ballistic missile and all ballistic missiles are hypersonic, so in fact Iran has plenty of hypersonic missiles.

yeah thats true, cost is a problem did not think about that. we should stick to our normal missile for now.

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Overall though the Indian are much farther advanced than Iran is pretty much all military technology fields. This is largely due to several factors: Foreign assistance, Larger budget, and longer history.

And while India's reliance of Foreign defense companies for many of their advancements may seem like a potential disadvantage, it actually isnt. As history has shown, India's ability to "walk the tightrope" between the US and Russia has been exceedingly benefital to them. They have gotten their hands on some of the best tech of both countries. Because both Russia and the US (not to mention Europe) are now so economically tied to India they its highly unlikely either state is going to cut back on the military cooperation anytime soon..which largely guarantees India's defense industry will only continue to expanding in products and abilities.

Also, Per Captia GDP is actually not the best way to compare countries because the same comparision could be made with China whose per Captia is much smaller than Iran but is obvious much farther ahead technologically. Just because you have a higher Per captia doesnt count for much in todays economy.
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Also, Per Captia GDP is actually not the best way to compare countries because the same comparision could be made with China whose per Captia is much smaller than Iran but is obvious much farther ahead technologically. Just because you have a higher Per captia doesnt count for much in todays economy.

It depends on what you're comparing. Of course it would not be useful when assessing technological advancement, but it is very useful (in particular GDP per capita PPP), even more so than GDP, when comparing most other things like level of education, living standards, literacy rates, life expectancy.

Frankly, i think Indian politicians are a disgrace. They're mostly western educated and alienated from the Indian society. They have more people living in poverty than Africa and they have 400 million people who cannot read or write and they're spending $3.2 million on a missile.  Anyway that is for another thread.

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chritian troy, what is he saying?


He said that he is here to make one post. He said that Alexander of Macedonia and the Spartans also 'took over,' so he believes that NATO will win against Iran. He is interested in the prophecies of Nostradamous on Muslims. He said he means no offense to Iranians and that now he shall leave.

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It's best not to translate other peoples post when they're here to troll Ruhollah.

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a spanish guy lol, i though they only cared about bulls.

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1. Iran has hypersonic missiles:  Anti Ship missiles (sunburn etc)

2.  What is that guy talking about Alexander and the Spartans.  Alexander was Macedonian, which was distinct from Greek and the Spartans didn't come to Iran.

3.  We will repel any invader.  Hell will be waiting for them in Iran.

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1. Iran has hypersonic missiles:  Anti Ship missiles (sunburn etc)
I used to believe this. However, there is just really no proof (and unlike the Kh-55, no real solid allegations either) of this.

It's possible that Iran has it deployed but we just haven't seen it, as as part of Iran's strategy relies on obfuscation of intelligence gathering, it's also possible Iran has it, but hasn't deployed it as they're attempting to reverse engineer it and copy it and for whatever reason hasn't deployed it.

But, long story short, i don't think we can just assume Iran has access to it.

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I think you may be right Ayash, but I don;t think obtaining them should be too difficult for Iran.

I must say I was convinced that they are in the Iranian arsenal.

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As an addendum to my last post, I do recall seeing plenty of information regarding Iran's hypersonic anti ship missile inventory some time ago but I cannot recall where.

I will let you know if I relocate it!

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Sunburn Is not a hypersonic missile , It has only 3 mach speed , in comparison , Brahmos II missile is A 5.26 mach hypersonic missle that is the fastest Missile in world

However , India didn't Design and Build Brahmos missiles itself , Brahmos missile is A joint Russian-indian project and Indian side only supports the project financially , all The tech of missile is from russians So Indians have no tech in producing such tremendous missile.

This Story is True on Iranian Hoot missiles either , According to the last year's Revealed "iran Aerospace Organization" information about Hoot missile , Iranian Experts Have produced Hoot with Reverse-engineering the Russian Shkval Missiles.

When Comparing these two Stories (brahmos and hoot) , I personally Give iranians Advantage over indians , India forced to Pay a large money to Russians to Have brahmos in it's Arsenal , but Iran has Reverse engineered a Russian design and produced it without Paying too much (in Worst Scenario , Iran Paid some money for Technology Transit from russia)
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The Brahmos missile is truly a joke, the supersonic version costs $3.2 million per missile, God knows how much the hypersonic version would cost.

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The Brahmos missile is truly a joke, the supersonic version costs $3.2 million per missile, God knows how much the hypersonic version would cost.
I think It Deserves the Cost , Without Doubt it Is A Very Effective Formidable System . No one can do Anything against A 5 mach Cruise missile .

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Firstly, it is mach 2.8 and secondly, similar missiles can be bought for a fraction of the price.

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i meant Brahmos II hypersonic missile
Firstly, it is mach 2.8 and secondly, similar missiles can be bought for a fraction of the price.
Firstly I meant Brahmos II Hypersonic missile in my last post (it's Speed is Exactly 5.25 mach) and Secondly , Brahmos Generaly is more advanced than it's Rival missiles , So it's price is Higher (How much you pay , You will eat as well !) for example Brahmos has the record For first supersonic steep dive . it has almost 32 times the initial kinetic energy of a Tomahawk missile

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