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Iran military related exhibitions and conferences
« on: September 28, 2011, 11:06:46 PM »
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Baharestan circlle annual static military hardware exhibition in Tehran, September 2011:


Mohajer-4 & Talash UAVs



SAM-6 radar



Sayyad-1 & SAM-6 SAMs



Kashef Radar



Motale-O-Fajr radar



Khaleej Fars (Persian Gulf) Super Sonic ASHM



Ghiam SSM



Shahab II SSM



Sejil and Ghadr F SSMs





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Re: Iran military related exhibitions
« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2011, 03:31:17 AM »
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Re: Iran military related exhibitions
« Reply #2 on: October 30, 2011, 04:46:39 PM »
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Difference of Ghadr-F and Sejil jet vanes:
Jet vanes of Ghadr-F :


Jet vanes of Sejil:



According to this poster weight of warhead of Sejil is 500 kg, less than Fateh-110 and Shahab-2, that is strange,


Qiam-1 specification:


It has been mistakenly written on the banner that length of Qiam-1 is 16 m

Compare with Shahab-2 specifications:


and Ghadr-F specification:


and Warhead of Qiam-1 (without antenna):


is it possible to realize its warhead is separable or not?


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Re: Iran military related exhibitions
« Reply #3 on: October 30, 2011, 05:11:42 PM »
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How is it come that Sejil is 23,6 ton (23623 Kg) but its warhead is only 500 Kg!!!...
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Re: Iran military related exhibitions
« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2011, 05:42:24 PM »
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How is it come that Sejil is 23,6 ton (23623 Kg) but its warhead is only 500 Kg!!!...

We lack precise info, IMO either Sejil-2 range is longer (~3000 km, thus bigger missile with a smaller payload) or they're talking about multiple 500kg cluster warheads. For example, Shahab-3 can have from 1 ton warhead to five 280 kg cluster warheads. No question Sejil should be more advanced, the question is - how exactly.

According to wiki about Sejil-2:

Improvements include better navigation system, better targeting system, more payload, longer range, faster lift-off, longer storage time, quicker launch, and lower detection possibility.

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« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2011, 05:59:36 PM »
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Excellent, I guess this finally clears up the main question with regard to the Qiam - the dimensions. One of the best debates took place on Arms Control Wonk blog, here's one of my comments and someones response that seems to explain it fairly well.

Quote from: Galen Wright
Here’s my take on the dimensions.

Going by the Borna News Image:
There are three persons standing to the right of the missile who are roughly the same distance away from the camera, the guy in the white baseball cap(1), the two guys to his immediate right (2 and 3) and the man wearing the orange safety vest (4)

1, 3, and 4 are in the best positions, not being more then ~.5m closer to the camera, 2 is a bit closer, but still relatively close.

According to wikipedia, the average height of Iranian males is 1.7 m.

Going by this, they result in a missile height of, respectively, 8.52 m, 8.89 m, 8.74 m, and 8.39 m. With an average of 8.63 m. Of course, it will be slightly higher due to the distortion that results from the camera looking up at the top of the missile.

For the diameter, using the same numbers, i got .69, .72, .71 and .69 m respectively, with an average of .70 m.

This guy nailed it right on the head, estimating the height at 10.4-10.6 m. Someone buy this man a drink.  :)
Quote from: Jochen Schischka
Yep, i’m measuring pretty much the same numbers – if i a) neglect the effects of perspective (if i’d measure strictly like this, then the fire truck in the background to the right would only be a ~40cm high kid’s toy) and b) neglect that this picture is slightly distorted height-wise by a factor of ~1.08:1 (see the felloe at the left lower corner of that picture – shouldn’t that one be round, not slightly oval?).

Please notice that according to my interpretation, the missile is SIGNIFICANTLY farther away from the camera than the persons. Consider if this can be correct. You’re welcome to do your own estimations on this issue, but please do me a favor and try to be as realistic as possible (e.g. assuming that the MEL is based on a commercial semitrailer only 1m broad is NOT realistic!).

So let’s try to compensate for perspective first, by means of simple mathematical dilation. As i already explicated before, i think that the camera will be ~8-15m away from the missile. I also think that all of the persons will be approximately 1.5m closer to the camera than the missile (again, please check if this estimate CAN be in a realistic range – and please don’t simply NEGATE my assumption and substitute it with your own, but honestly consider if this can be anywhere near correct). Thus we’ll have to multiply these 8.39-8.89m with a factor of 1.11-1.23, which results in a real length of the missile of 9.3-10.9m (10.1m on average – my guess is that the Qiam-1 is ~10.6m in reality, which is within the given bandwidth). So by now, it’s a diameter of 0.77-0.89m (~0.82m on average).
Next, we’ll have to additionally compensate for the height-wise stretching of that picture, so the diameter of the missile will additionally have to be multiplied by a factor of ~1.08 (or maybe a little bit less; i’ve rounded that one up for simplicity). This results in a measured diameter of 0.83-0.96m (~0.89m on average – isn’t this ASTONISHINGLY close to the Scud’s 0.88m?). Please note the rather broad bandwith of these estimations due to the uncertainties involved in the estimating/measuring/calculation process, and that i’ve most of the time multiplied rounded figures with rounded figures.

Last but not least, let me again warn against using people as a yardstick – technical details of known or easily estimated dimension and position (like the aforementioned felloe) will offer a MUCH better reliability (and you don’t have to additionally correct for distortion – a further possible source of error – if you can measure parallel to the to-be-estimated dimension)!

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Re: Iran military related exhibitions
« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2011, 06:43:43 PM »
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Interestingly despite removing fins, Qiam-1 is 100 kg heavier than Shahab-2, but with 250-300 km more range.

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« Reply #7 on: October 30, 2011, 09:14:15 PM »
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Excellent pict thought.. At that time I was in Iran, but I miss the whole sacred defense week... Now I am so f*%¤*# maaaaad..

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Re: Iran military related exhibitions
« Reply #8 on: November 03, 2011, 09:34:39 AM »
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Interestingly despite removing fins, Qiam-1 is 100 kg heavier than Shahab-2, but with 250-300 km more range.

The Qiam is a Scud-C/Shahab-2 with the fins removed, a new re-entry vehicle and likely new guidance system and possible now air-bottles.  It appears to be some 200-500mm longer than the Shahab-2 (which is 10.944m long; I've measured it in person, many times).  If this extra volume was used to carry more propellant the range increase is minimal. If all 100kg in additional mass were propellant, then the missile could fly an additional 25km.  Even if structural changes were made to make the Qiam lighter in weight and then 500kg of additional propellant were added (never mind there is not the needed extra volume in the missile to hold this much more propellant) the max range would be 610km, or 110 more than Shahab-2.  In other words, the information is in all likelihood incorrect.

These range estimates assume that the 2-4% residual propellant is not used, because attempts to use the "last drops" would likely result in catastrophic failure; recall the first Shahab-3 test in 1998, which failed at 100 second after lift-off, probably because they tried to run the fuel tanks dry (Shahab-3 nominal burn time is 96 seconds; 100 seconds corresponds with running the tanks dry.) 
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« Reply #9 on: November 03, 2011, 11:24:56 AM »
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sobaka:Qiam 1 is by no means a scud with fins removed, it must use a different engine as the scuds did not have TV technology. you cant just remove fins from a scud and make it fly like that....
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« Reply #10 on: November 03, 2011, 02:59:45 PM »
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...as the scuds did not have TV technology

U sure? According to the pics at...
http://www.b14643.de/Spacerockets_1/Diverse/Scud/
...most B-(and C-)versions have TV (and even an occasional A-version?).


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Any clues if the Qiam is a "quasi-ballistic" (endo-atmospheric) missile like the Fateh?
In that case fins do matter!... and that's why air-vaned SAMs are hopelessly outdated.

It has already been confirmed that loosing the fins was for another, disappointingly obvious reason: bunker (silo) launch.
Moreover, at 0.88m diameter it probably has the same old engine as the Shahabs.

As to the weight difference between Sejil and its longer ranged competitors, it's not just aluminum that's used but some kind of "honeycombed" aluminum sheets for thermal isolation of the solid-fuel from the sun or of the missile body from the burning fuel inside (I really don't know). The Russians are convinced the Iranians won't be able to produce these sheets themselves and build their own road-mobile ICBMs any time soon.
http://www.win.tue.nl/~aeb/soc/wl/10STATE17263.html

Seeing how much interest a recent rumor about a mobile North-Korean ICBM has generated, one would almost believe this could be a game changer.

On the other hand, it's almost certain now that Iran has been building extensive bunker systems so having road-mobile missiles (Ballistic or Surface-Air) isn't that big a deal anymore.

http://demagocracy.livejournal.com
http://asymmetronix.livejournal.com

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Re: Iran military related exhibitions
« Reply #11 on: November 11, 2011, 12:47:26 AM »
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Is sejil on mobile platform or this is impossible?

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MODAFL Weapons Expo [Pictures]
« Reply #13 on: December 18, 2011, 06:03:41 AM »
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Edit - missed Catsoo's thread by a minute or two. Delete please
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Photo Galleries:
FNA
MNA
IRNA

Noteworthy displays included a copy of the Milkor MGL Mk. 1 grenade launcher. It's identical in nearly every way - six-shot revolver cylnder, pistol and forward grip, trigger and safety assembly, folding stock.


There was also some rather interesting AFVs which I'll, at this state, tentatively call unidentified.
(not the Boragh)



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« Reply #14 on: February 14, 2012, 04:02:53 AM »
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Iran Holds Cyber warfare conference on Feb 18th and 19th!

http://www.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=13901124000634


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« Reply #15 on: February 18, 2012, 09:38:26 PM »
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Images from Iranian Cyber warfare!





Here is the link for more:

http://www.farsnews.com/imgrep.php?nn=13901129000795



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« Reply #17 on: February 20, 2012, 02:35:04 PM »
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Iran's 11th aerospace conference photos:

http://www.farsnews.ir/imgrep.php?nn=13901201000812



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« Reply #18 on: February 20, 2012, 05:09:43 PM »
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Some more related photos from the aerospace conference:

http://www.irna.ir/Display.aspx?NID=030827516


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« Reply #19 on: March 24, 2012, 12:58:15 PM »
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Hey guys :)  hello everybody. My name is Sebastian and i am from Romania ( Europe) . I have been in Iran in visit and i could say that is one of the best places where i have been in special because of the people. I didn;t find so much ospitality and kindness in any European country like in Iran. You have to be proud that u are iranians. I live in Europe but belive me, i would leave it. Is a place full of sin and relations between people start to be only on internet ( facebook etc) . I love your country so much...even i visit a lot of countryes in Europe ( Germany, Italy, UK, Scotland, Osterich, etc )
May i ask u how could a foreign person to become soldier or military employ in Iran? is that possible? pls answer me . Maybe one day i will build my future family in Iran.  :)

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« Reply #20 on: April 07, 2012, 05:29:11 AM »
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Sebastian Iranian citizenship is given I believe after you have been born in Iran for two generations...but your son will be in military due to mandatory conscription if he is born there...you should ask Iranian Embasy :)

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« Reply #21 on: April 07, 2012, 05:50:59 AM »
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like my dad is not even distantly Iranian but i am according to Article 976 because i was born there and my mother  is iranian  .

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« Reply #22 on: May 10, 2012, 03:42:12 PM »
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Here are good set of images from the permanent defence exhibition in Tehran:


http://www.modlex.ir/cgi-bin/store.pl/page=defencexpo.html


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