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Azerbaijan has officially become Israel's dog.

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Israel has gained access to airfields in Azerbaijan, possibly so that Israeli aircraft could land there after attacking Iran, a new report in Foreign Policy magazine says:

[F]our senior diplomats and military intelligence officers say that the United States has concluded that Israel has recently been granted access to airbases on Iran's northern border. To do what, exactly, is not clear. "The Israelis have bought an airfield," a senior administration official told me in early February, "and the airfield is called Azerbaijan."

Senior U.S. intelligence officials are increasingly concerned that Israel's military expansion into Azerbaijan complicates U.S. efforts to dampen Israeli-Iranian tensions, according to the sources. Military planners, I was told, must now plan not only for a war scenario that includes the Persian Gulf -- but one that could include the Caucasus.

A few weeks ago, when Azerbaijan's $1.6 billion arms deal with Israel was announced, this blog discounted the idea that Azerbaijan would get involved in a potential Israeli attack on Iran, arguing that the risks for Azerbaijan are too high and the potential gains unclear. The exception would be if Azerbaijan's influence were so discreet as to allow Baku some plausible deniability; then Iran probably wouldn't stand to gain from attacking Azerbaijan. According to the FP report, the most likely use for the Azerbaijan airfields would be so that Israeli aircraft could land there after an attack, obviating the need for mid-air refueling en route to Iran, which Israel isn't particularly experienced with and which would reduce the amount of weapons the planes could take on each sortie:

The U.S. intelligence and diplomatic officials told me they believe that Israel has gained access to these airbases through a series of quiet political and military understandings. "I doubt that there's actually anything in writing," added a senior retired American diplomat who spent his career in the region. "But I don't think there's any doubt -- if Israeli jets want to land in Azerbaijan after an attack, they'd probably be allowed to do so...."

Access to such airfields is important for Israel, because it would mean that Israeli F-15I and F-16I fighter-bombers would not have to refuel midflight during a strike on Iran's nuclear facilities, but could simply continue north and land in Azerbaijan. Defense analyst David Isenberg describes the ability to use Azeri airfields as "a significant asset" to any Israel strike, calculating that the 2,200-mile trip from Israel to Iran and back again would stretch Israel's warplanes to their limits. "Even if they added extra fuel tanks, they'd be running on fumes," Isenberg told me, "so being allowed access to Azeri airfields would be crucial."

Former CENTCOM commander Gen. Joe Hoar simplified Israel's calculations: "They save themselves 800 miles of fuel," he told me in a recent telephone interview. "That doesn't guarantee that Israel will attack Iran, but it certainly makes it more doable."

I'm not sure that would afford Azerbaijan the deniability they'd need to avoid a retaliatory attack from Iran. Surely Iran would be able to see where the Israeli jets were going after their attack. Azerbaijan's defense minister visited Tehran earlier this month and promised that Azerbaijan would not be used as a launchpad from which to attack Iran. FP reports: "A U.S. military intelligence officer noted that Azeri defense minister did not explicitly bar Israeli bombers from landing in the country after a strike. Nor did he rule out the basing of Israeli search-and-rescue units in the country." That is a pretty legalistic parsing of Azerbaijan's promises, and it seems unlikely Tehran would think much of it.

So what is Azerbaijan thinking here?

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I dont think Baku Regime has the spine to do so ... heat would be too much for them to survive later wards ...


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The baku regime is very stupid and aggressive just think of the dumbest most illogical move and you can bet azerbaijan thinks its brilliant.
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Israel, Turkey, Azerbaijan, Saudis and other arabian peninsula /gulf governments, and the US's forces / coalition forces in the region are all working to contain Iran. And, it is unfortunately more than likely that Syria will be unable to provide significant support to Iran either.

Besides building ties with Iraq and Kurds, Iran should look to brace itself through strong relations on its eastern front. The US is withdrawing from Afghanistan, so Iran can build strong ties not only with far east nations but mainly with neighboring central asian nations like Turkmenistan and maybe even Pakistan as it separates from US. While Pakistan has a great deal of issues of its own, many of its people are still pro-Iran.

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Israel, Turkey, Azerbaijan, Saudis and other arabian peninsula /gulf governments, and the US's forces / coalition forces in the region are all working to contain Iran. And, it is unfortunately more than likely that Syria will be unable to provide significant support to Iran either.

Besides building ties with Iraq and Kurds, Iran should look to brace itself through strong relations on its eastern front. The US is withdrawing from Afghanistan, so Iran can build strong ties not only with far east nations but mainly with neighboring central asian nations like Turkmenistan and maybe even Pakistan as it separates from US. While Pakistan has a great deal of issues of its own, many of its people are still pro-Iran.

True, but I do believe the Syria chaos is not meant to overthrow Assad, as they clearly can't, but to weaken Syria and keep it distracted/busy and also knock Iran off balance..At the end of the day, Iran must assume or make her calculations that she's entering the fight on her own with no support coming from anywhere.Hamas has proven over the past few weeks not to be a very reliable group with the yes/no/maybe attitude...Iran can certainly count on Hezbollah but they too can only do so much.

I also believe they've already made this calculations..A few days ago, Iran foreign minister said Iran's "prepared for all scenarios" if war breaks out..You don't spend 30+ years of being in Washington's crosshair and not prepare yourself..The funny thing here is, this "Iran war" is not in the US's interest and everything to do with the Zionist occupation..They want weakened and vassal states all around so they can continue with their expansionist project..

As for Azerbaijan, the least said about Aliyev and his goons the better..He knows he's playing with fire but his secular ideologies have clouded his judgement on reality...He's following exactly in the footsteps of Saakashvili of Georgia who ended up with his country divided after the war. He should start parking his bags and get his one-way ticket to Tel Aviv..he may not like what's coming his way..

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Are the Azeri really this stupid? For their own sake, I hope not.

Edit: look through the comments on Jpost. Those Jews really are sure of themselves. The little cockroaches forget easily. 
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Are the Azeri really this stupid? For their own sake, I hope not.

Edit: look through the comments on Jpost. Those Jews really are sure of themselves. The little cockroaches forget easily. 
I think they are just ball-less cowards. Now they are Iran's enemy.

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Israel and Azerbaijan: unlikely allies?

Claims - disputed by both countries - that Israel has secured Azerbaijani airbases has awakened interest in the Caucasus


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The Azerbaijan capital, Baku. Photograph: Mikhail Metzel/AP


In the latest in a series of explosive reports on Israel's covert hostilities against Iran, one vigorously denied by both the Israeli government and Baku, Foreign Policy magazine has quoted anonymous US officials saying that Israel has secured access to airbases on Iran's northern border through its well-nurtured defence alliance with Azerbaijan.


"The Israelis have bought an airfield," a senior US administration official was quoted telling Foreign Policy's Mark Perry, "and the airfield is called Azerbaijan."


Israel has refused to validate the report, which goes on to outline US concerns that the claimed move will inflame already raw Israeli-Iran relations and potentially draw the Caucasus into any war. One of Perry's US intelligence sources told him:



We're watching what Iran does closely. But we're now watching what Israel is doing in Azerbaijan. And we're not happy about it



Senior sources in the Israeli government insist they know nothing of this alleged strategic acquisition and question the veracity of the report, pointing out that Perry has based his claims exclusively on unnamed US officials and two independent thinktank reports unaffiliated with any notable institutions.


One senior Israeli official suggests, however, that Iran's outrage at its neighbour's burgeoning relationship with the Jewish state may actually be pushing the unlikely allies closer together.


"The more pressure applied by Iran, the more they unveil plots to carry out terror attacks on Azerbaijani embassies, the more they [Azeris] are co-operating with us," the official explained, pointing out that relations between Azerbaijan and Iran are becoming increasingly fraught.


"Iran's fear that its considerable Azeri minority may have aspirations for independence is the current bed of its relations with Azerbaijan. As a result, Azerbaijan is very interested in firming up its relationship with Israel."

Last month, Israel confirmed the sale of drones and anti-aircraft missile defence systems to the former Soviet state in a $1.6bn arms deal.


But Dr Brenda Shaffer, Israel's foremost expert on Azerbaijan, suggests it is highly unlikely that this deal belies a bilateral defence pact against Iran. If Azerbaijan is bolstering its defence systems, she says this is more likely to be a display of strength intended for Armenia, which currently occupies 20% of it territory.


Azerbaijan is bordered by Russia, Iran and Turkey. Its economy is dependent on the safe export of oil, which requires regional stability. It's foreign policy is characterised by its attempts to appease each of these powers, as well as the US and Israel.


More than 30% of the Iranian population are ethnic Azeris, including Ayatollah Khamenei, Iran's spiritual leader, and the opposition leader, Mir-Hossein Mousavi, who is currently being held under house arrest.


"[Azerbaijan] tries to maintain friendly relations with Iran as it does Israel. It would be very wary of allowing itself to take a step that might seen as aggressive," Shaffer suggests.


"If there is a conflict with Iran, Azerbaijan will be the first to suffer. Their border with Iran is porous. If Iran wants to strike back, they will do so most easily in the pro-western country on its border, which does not have stringent border control or internal security. We saw this in the attacks in February. It is in their interests to prevent an attack on Iran."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2012/mar/29/israel-azerbaijan-unlikely-allies

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Frankly speaking, there is no concrete evidence in the story. Certainly Azebeijan is not stupid to commit to such agreement. Azerbeijan clearly knows that it will be engulfed with a devastating war with Iran and possibly Armenia (to take advantage of the situation) and a subversion by Muslims ! Perhaps that is why Azerbeijan has strongly refuted the validity of this story here: http://www.****.***/news/diplomacy-defense/azerbaijan-denies-granting-israel-access-to-air-bases-on-iran-border-1.421562


I personally do not believe the story and consider it as Psychological warfare and nothing else. The Zionists know they CAN'T attack Iran, the plan is next to impossible however the media is trying to make it a make belief as a credible possibility.

As Iranians say it, "Beshno-va-Bavar Nakon"!


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Elham Aliev to Spiegel " 90% of our relation with Israel is secret"

If they really went insane to allow Israel to use their land to attack Iran, Basij will devastate them....

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They will end up like Georgia!  A few years ago israelis were building armament manufactures including one su-25 upgrade facility. Russians reduced all this to dust and rubble. At that time Israelis were quite nervous about further reactions on the part of Russians.
It seems that they have now switched to Alievestan. But let's not forget that in the late 80s the US and Israel were openly supporting Alievestan against Armenia.  The Iranian and Russian interests are converging more and more.

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I do not doubt this story , this shit head Aliyev has been nothing but hostile towards us I hope they are this stupid and
Hopefully we will unite Oston azarbayejon one more time

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Aliyev once said that Azerbaijan's relationship with Israel is like an iceberg. Meaning on the surface you see a little piece, but bellow the surface it's a huge area. They will of course deny this and try to downplay their relations with Israel, but that's just to save face and not lose whatever support they have from Muslim countries.

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True, but I do believe the Syria chaos is not meant to overthrow Assad, as they clearly can't, but to weaken Syria and keep it distracted/busy and also knock Iran off balance..At the end of the day, Iran must assume or make her calculations that she's entering the fight on her own with no support coming from anywhere.Hamas has proven over the past few weeks not to be a very reliable group with the yes/no/maybe attitude...Iran can certainly count on Hezbollah but they too can only do so much.

I agree with you in their intentions, but there is no way that Syria would let Iran fight alone, especially when the opportunity rises to project the war outwards, allowing emergency laws + extreme prejiduce to be used against terrorists in the country. Syria will join the war in a heart beat no matter what the cost.

Anyway, this all assumes that the zionist entity would make the fatal mistake of even flying over Iran. I doubt they have the guts, because they should know the consequences of even a failed attack will cost them their very existence.
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Israel's "war on Iran" is/has been mostly a media one..Every now and then they leak or create events that will generate "news" regarding this..God forbid, a week go by without some Israeli threat to strike Iran..

In reality, they're too weak to survive a war with Iran and they know it..Their media campaign is to convince people around the world to support their position - this is clearly not working, either. Expect more blah blah "news" from them before people from all over the world begin to protest their warmongering tendencies..

Their latest stunt is doing these funny videos and posting them on youtube about "Israel loves Iran"..And then there's some stupid "Iranians" who also make similar videos and post them on youtube saying the same..
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I think Iran should not artificially speed up upcoming events. Aliev's state is an oil state. Their oil reserves are not so big but rather limited. In previous years BP and other companies were pumping too much oil from Alievs's state but in recent years they slow down this process to prolong alievs's oil reserves... But this will not help much. If there is not new major discoveries of oil (which is doubtful) aliev's big oil will last 15-20 year at maximum. And decline is nearing. They also have natural gas but this can not fully compensate oil's decline. So after this events will have different direction.

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