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The strategy is to pressure even more
« on: February 03, 2012, 05:36:55 PM »
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See for yourselves bellow. The game is the game of physiological pressure on Iranians.



Def Sec'y Panetta: Pressure must be kept on Iran

http://washingtonexaminer.com/news/world/2012/02/def-secy-panetta-pressure-must-be-kept-iran/2166291#ixzz1lLD140uI



Panetta believes Israel could strike Iran this spring

http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2012/02/02/panetta-believes-israel-could-strike-iran-this-spring/?hpt=hp_t1


The best strategy is to calm down, this will have to pass since the stomach to attack Iran is not there, period!



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Re: The strategy is to pressure even more
« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2012, 05:53:11 PM »
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Well if they keep going like that, they might as well talk themselves into war eventually..There's nothing more stupid than talking yourself into a fight you didn't really intend to fight..

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The strategy is to pressure even more
« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2012, 06:00:16 PM »
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How more direct than this?


Ayalon in Germany: Apply pressure on Iran until it breaks
http://www.jpost.com/Headlines/Article.aspx?id=256372


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Re: The strategy is to pressure even more
« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2012, 06:50:58 PM »
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I think Iran must cut fuel shipments to the EU NOW..This stupidity cannot be allowed continue...

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The strategy is to pressure even more
« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2012, 06:55:41 PM »
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WE have not retaliated so far...

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Re: The strategy is to pressure even more
« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2012, 06:58:15 PM »
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How more direct than this?


Ayalon in Germany: Apply pressure on Iran until it breaks
http://www.jpost.com/Headlines/Article.aspx?id=256372


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He should first stop the zionists from raping Germany and Germans before being worry about Iran.

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Re: The strategy is to pressure even more
« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2012, 09:37:19 PM »
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Well if they keep going like that, they might as well talk themselves into war eventually..There's nothing more stupid than talking yourself into a fight you didn't really intend to fight..
and there is nothing more deadly than that.... you can even put a quote: "It is fatal to enter any war without the will to win it" -- General Douglas MacArthur... they said that themselves lol! To me, they are creating either threats, propaganda lies, and even a show of+ some inflatable muscle every single time Iran achieves something unbelievable! Something that not alot of countries can do on its own... whether taking down a amerikkkas best drones or sending yet another satellite to space! These achievements gets them shaking in the legs.... and this is their strategy (the enemies) to threaten, Propaganda, ect... ... childish and to be honest desperate, while Iran flourishes in the region. Lets hope they arent stupid enough to talk their way to war! (for their sake)!
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« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2012, 11:51:40 PM »
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Events over recent weeks have built their own momentum in Iran in general and Syria especially.
Now I fear there is no peaceful resolution to this crises.

http://www.conspiracyhq.com/2012/01/tracking-u-s-military-movements-extraordinary-amount-of-tanks-moving-from-california-to-mexico/


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« Reply #8 on: February 04, 2012, 02:12:35 AM »
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let them keep pressuring and pressuring until it explodes out of their asshole!
it's time to nut up or shut up!

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Re: The strategy is to pressure even more
« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2012, 10:46:41 AM »
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With Europe experiencing the coldest winter it has in a very long time, and gas consumption having skyrocketed in Europe because of this (records broken). Iran is losing a window of opportunity to stop oil export to the EU.

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Re: The strategy is to pressure even more
« Reply #10 on: February 04, 2012, 11:52:28 AM »
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With Europe experiencing the coldest winter it has in a very long time, and gas consumption having skyrocketed in Europe because of this (records broken). Iran is losing a window of opportunity to stop oil export to the EU.

I agree.
This would have the added benefit of straining saudi oil supplies and forcing them to keep the price down.
The Saudis have calculated that if the price of oil goes too high, it will catalyze western nations to seeking alternatives to buying Saudi oil for energy. Not only will the EU be weakened, but Saudi Arabia will be weakened in the long run, the government will not be able to throw money at the people or buy expensive US toys to prevent unrest if countries decide it is time to wean off of oil, and this will put the monarchs in a difficult position
"The sword is victorious over money, the master-will subdues again the plunderer-will. . . A power can be overthrown only by another power, not by a principle, and only one power that can confront money is left. Money is overthrown and abolished by blood. Life is alpha and omega . . . It is the fact of facts within the world-as-history."

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« Reply #11 on: February 04, 2012, 12:07:45 PM »
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But its cold enough in my apartment as it is...


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« Reply #12 on: February 04, 2012, 12:23:43 PM »
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Apollyon, the EU will continue its investment in alternate energy. A lower OIL price will only help them have more money to do so. The EU is decreasing its spending each year by year and the financial pressure on those living in the EU has become quite heavy. Even if oil were 1 cent per barrel, they would still be investing in alternate energy. The reason they do it is two fold:
1) Oil is running out.
2) That little respect they currently show the middle-eastern dictators, can be thrown out of the window. It can continue as a true one way business (the west exporting to the middle-east, and only importing from its own countries).

The only real way of making the EU slow down their drive toward alternate resources is by making oil prices skyrocket.

I one time had a talk with a professor on this matter and he said he believes gas will replace oil, and then gas will be replaced by nuclear energy. I do agree with him. This was many years ago, now look at the gas pipelines that are being lain everywhere.

Things like solar energy look like very good sources of energy (and they are), but not in Europe. What they can but most of their bet on is wind energy, and that is it. Solar energy looks interesting, until you calculate the cost of the equipment, then check the life expectancy, maintenance over the time it will be in service and the energy it will produce in that time. Couple that with the fact that it requires some very rare materials in it to be made and you know it's not usable in its current form.

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Re: The strategy is to pressure even more
« Reply #13 on: February 04, 2012, 12:28:56 PM »
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But its cold enough in my apartment as it is...



How is the weather in Sweden? It has become record cold in the Netherlands, reached -23.. ... one person dead until now. Homeless man froze to death in his sleep (sleeping in a shed of someone). ;(

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« Reply #14 on: February 04, 2012, 12:53:45 PM »
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Things like solar energy look like very good sources of energy (and they are), but not in Europe. What they can but most of their bet on is wind energy, and that is it. Solar energy looks interesting, until you calculate the cost of the equipment, then check the life expectancy, maintenance over the time it will be in service and the energy it will produce in that time. Couple that with the fact that it requires some very rare materials in it to be made and you know it's not usable in its current form.


I still think as far as clean, renewable, reliable, cheap, and safe energy goes, nuclear is the best solution.
1.) Such small amount of material can be converted into massive thermal and subsequently electrical energy, it can more or less power the world, at least at the current rate of energy usage, for millenia, at least.
2.) It's not dependent on environmental factors to use (like climate or sunlight).
3.) Solar and wind plants sometimes have to take over several football fields of area to produce enough energy, but this is not so for nuclear facilities.
4.) It produces no exhaust fumes (except the water vapor used for cooling) and the radioactive waste can be reprocessed and reused for a number of applications, and the energy production to waste ratio is incredibly high, relatively speaking. Most people don't know that the particulate matter in the CO2 exhaust spewed by oil power plants are in total more radioactive than the waste generated by nuclear facilities to produce a similar quantity of power.
5.) And it can be extremely safe, it just has to be built intelligently and in a safe location. Modern technology can allow for earthquake proofing and such, and many safeguards.
6.) Moreover, the technology developed for nuclear energy can be put to multiple other uses, not just warfare but spaceflight, powering the engines of large ships and other craft, research, and medicine.
7.) If you're an oil producer, there's the added benefit of having more oil to sell instead of using it domestically, which is less economically efficient for you.

The only downside is the initial investment is greatest for nuclear but once the infrastructure and R&D industry is in place it can last a nation forever. I think it's unfortunate that there has been such a great backlash against the use of nuclear technology in Europe and Japan and even US, but it's not from scientists its more from people who have let irrational fears and popular media of james bond movies depicting the evil villain holding the world hostage with a nuclear powered laser and such, and not understanding why some disasters associated with it in the past are not the fault of nuclear technology per se but rather mismanagement, imperfect technology, and unintelligent design of the facilities and where they are located.

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I one time had a talk with a professor on this matter and he said he believes gas will replace oil, and then gas will be replaced by nuclear energy. I do agree with him. This was many years ago, now look at the gas pipelines that are being lain everywhere.


This is really unfortunate, I feel like the world and human civilization has a tendency to exhaust all the wrong answers before finally trying the right solutions. I am not sure why this is. Maybe there's an up side, like making the right choices is foregoing all the hardship and learning experiences associated with making all the wrong choices the first time around, lol.

But at least the most developed nations should have weaned themselves onto cleaner, renewable, and more reliable sources of energy long, long ago. The technology for safe nuclear power has existed for almost half a century now. It's beyond stupid that those nations that can afford to switch are going to take so long and go through all the non-renewables before making an intelligent choice for something so fundamental as what powers the nation's industries.
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Re: The strategy is to pressure even more
« Reply #15 on: February 04, 2012, 01:00:56 PM »
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Frankly, Iran needs to gradually reduce dependence on oil as a backbone for their economy..This latest EU move may be the trigger for that move..A blessing in disguise for Iran, if you ask me..Since Iran is still in its early days in the industrial revolution, oil will become more and more in need for Iranians themselves than shipping them off to foreign countries who don't even respect Iran..

Having said that, if Iran wants this latest EU decision to cost them, they should go ahead with the EU oil sanctions now..It's freezing in Europe..

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Re: The strategy is to pressure even more
« Reply #16 on: February 04, 2012, 01:08:22 PM »
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How is the weather in Sweden? It has become record cold in the Netherlands, reached -23.. ... one person dead until now. Homeless man froze to death in his sleep (sleeping in a shed of someone). ;(

Where I am it was -17 this morning, but in the north it reaches below -30  even. The record this year has so far been -53 c.

The cold doesn't bother people so much here since the houses are very well built for it. The reason my apartment is cold is due its unfortunate position that makes the floor very cold.

lol btw, I'm not the one down-voting you any more...

« Last Edit: February 04, 2012, 01:16:39 PM by rouz »

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« Reply #17 on: February 04, 2012, 01:24:17 PM »
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Events over recent weeks have built their own momentum in Iran in general and Syria especially.
Now I fear there is no peaceful resolution to this crises.

Well, war is always possible statistically speaking but no one will act against its own interest. If the war with Iran can bring major uncertainty in the world and most calculations show just that, then the even the USraelis will have to bite the bullet waiting for another opportune time. What anyone should factor in is how the sides play the game of chicken. Iran needs to take some steps before it looks "too weak" and "vulnerable" to allow its enemies to think it is the time to attack.


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Re: The strategy is to pressure even more
« Reply #18 on: February 04, 2012, 04:21:43 PM »
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When you're in Iran's position, there's never a moment to not remain prepared on all fronts, I think.
A weakened economy and emasculated culture are only going to make the United Statians more eager for war in some ways.
Often nations don't resort to military aggression when they have it too good and their economy is improving rapidly. Usually nations make the stupidest decisions in desperation and when they are feeling emasculated.
Aand the Israeli lobby, US weapons industries, and oil multinationals would be all but too pleased with the prospect of a war with Iran, not to mention the neocons.
Lastly, the combined armies of the EU and US shouldn't be taken too lightly, they can still go to war even in such a condition as they are now, economically and culturally. Forget for a moment what is most rational for the US to do, and look at what the US is actually doing, closing in on Iran, drumming up a desire for war.

Moreover, I think they have some dirty tricks up their sleeve.
They are going to use cyber warfare and assassinations to wreak havoc on Iran. These are the areas in which Iran needs to be most prepared. If they US finds it is unable to 'soften' Iranian targets through soft power, then it won't progress to the logical escalation of that, which would be conventional military strikes, or war, or WMD use. One might suppose the US will see what they are doing now isn't working and will thus escalate the threat, but that is unlikely, I think. This is because it is much less likely to take action that may result in formal declarations of war if Iran is not first softened as much as possible by all other strategy. They will want to minimize their risk in case of war.

The US is at the stage of using covert operations and cyber warfare and international isolation to try and crush progress being made by Iranian society, and Iran must work to ensure the US remains at this stage or push it back to softer, purely political or economic strategies, by showing that all their efforts have borne no fruits or have incentivized Iran to become even tougher.

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Re: The strategy is to pressure even more
« Reply #19 on: February 04, 2012, 10:16:36 PM »
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How is the weather in Sweden? It has become record cold in the Netherlands, reached -23.. ... one person dead until now. Homeless man froze to death in his sleep (sleeping in a shed of someone). ;(

Like you are going to die..
I was out to buy cigarettes now, I couldnīt speak to my friend on the phone, even with the gloves on...
You are once again threatened my beloved homeland,
I shall defend you until the last breath,
We embrace death if that's what it takes to save you, we have lived by Bushido code all along.

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« Reply #20 on: February 07, 2012, 05:49:39 PM »
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A weakened economy and emasculated culture are only going to make the United Statians more eager for war in some ways. Often nations don't resort to military aggression when they have it too good and their economy is improving rapidly. Usually nations make the stupidest decisions in desperation and when they are feeling emasculated.
Aand the Israeli lobby, US weapons industries, and oil multinationals would be all but too pleased with the prospect of a war with Iran, not to mention the neocons.

Sorry, I beg to differ this time. The economy of the world is now far more intertwined than every before as such any shock would have far reaching effects now especially at the time that the world is in dire recession and in some parts in depression.

Just to make a point, US did not invade Iraq and Afghanistan when it was in recession!!! Wars now are far more costly than any time before even for superpowers. So, in absence of healthy economy, running a war is next to impossible unless one suicidal to ignore its own nation's demise like many Empires have in history!


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« Reply #21 on: February 07, 2012, 09:34:39 PM »
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But WW2 helped to end the great depression of the 1930's?? Sometimes history likes to repeat itself.

 

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