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Proves you have nothing better to say, you facist!

There were plenty of bombings and attacks at the time, specially since your groups filled with Wahabis who fought in Afghanistan.

It's all on a different scale, few civilians always die but the PKK's main target is military, the Turks' main target is civilian. And 12,000, that's nothing, nothing compared to what the Turks you so love, have done.

It's about occupation, this occupation has to end to matter what. I support an eventual re-unification of all Iranian peoples into 1 Iranian state but until then and regardless of that or anything else, the Turkish occupation of Kurdistan must end!

Difference is that they've never been inside Iran to understand the situation there.

When you come here freshly from pan-Turkism.com to flame at Kurds with all the lies those Ataturk worshippers have told you, don't expect a warm welcome from the Kurds you facist.

ima fasict? haha ok terrorist

again stop talking out of your ass. show me proof, give me links where kla killed serb civilians and give me proof where there were anywahabbi/arab/middle eastern fighters in kosovo. i dare you, show me the facts.
oh now you dont want an independent kurdistan? hahaha what happened to all the kurdish nationalism? lmao

again stop talking out of your ass. show me proof, give me links where kla killed serb civilians and give me proof where there were anywahabbi/arab/middle eastern fighters in kosovo. i dare you, show me the facts.
oh now you dont want an independent kurdistan? hahaha what happened to all the kurdish nationalism? lmao

I don't know what happend to other kurds, but I can tell you this, we kurds from where today is called iraq, will not rest untill we get out country. We've been at it for so many years, and if needed more.

Kermanshahi,

I think you concentrate on the positives too much, and forget very crucial information, for example:-

1)Iran shelling kurdish villiages every so often
2)Giving drugs to kurdish youth in iran
3)Selling us twice so far
4)Meeting with turkish/syrian officials regarding kurds

Not to mention, iran has sold us twice allready, who sais they wont again? every goverment acts in their own interest and no one does things to please others, dont forget that.. I apriciate the help iran has given us before, however iran must also remember the help we gave her.

1. They shell Pjak not Kurds and Pjak kills Kurds they expect to attack Iranians(Kurds included) and not get attacked back thats insane if they think Iran will not strike back
2. Clearly you have never been to Iran because various people do drugs no matter what their ethnic background is unfortunetly and the Government does not "give" drugs to anyone thats just peoples stupidity the ones who do drugs
3.The Leaders in Iran may have betrayed Kurds at various points in history I dont dispute that but the majority of Iranian people have only respect and love for Kurdish culture and people
4. Evidence on them getting in one room and plotting just to make life hell for Kurds?
 
I am Lur my family speaks Laki which is extremly close to feyli and Gorani as my forum name implies we are the closest to Kurds and i have been to Kermanshah,Ilam,Kurdistan,West Azerbaijan provinces and i can tell you that Kurds in those provinces live the same as most other people in Iran

1. They shell Pjak not Kurds and Pjak kills Kurds they expect to attack Iranians(Kurds included) and not get attacked back thats insane if they think Iran will not strike back

Those shells affect kurdish villiages

2. Clearly you have never been to Iran because various people do drugs no matter what their ethnic background is unfortunetly and the Government does not "give" drugs to anyone thats just peoples stupidity the ones who do drugs

Yes, people do drugs in iran, but I know for a fact that iranian authorities hand out heroic around kurdish youth, mostly in sunni areas.

3.The Leaders in Iran may have betrayed Kurds at various points in history I dont dispute that but the majority of Iranian people have only respect and love for Kurdish culture and people

It does not matter what the people think, many countries support kurds (as in people) it does not mean that the goverment does, people usualy don't think of the political side of the situation, and therefore their opinions don't count.

4. Evidence on them getting in one room and plotting just to make life hell for Kurds?

They do meet every so often, to discuss the kurdish issue, non of them want to lose land, so I can see why.
 

I am Lur my family speaks Laki which is extremly close to feyli and Gorani as my forum name implies we are the closest to Kurds and i have been to Kermanshah,Ilam,Kurdistan,West Azerbaijan provinces and i can tell you that Kurds in those provinces live the same as most other people in Iran

But do sunni kurds live the same as others in iran? frankly, every furom of a country that has a big kurdish population is the same in regards to kurds, they all say kurds are treated fairly blah blah, however they all claim that other countries are bad to kurds, for example turkey will say iran treat kurds bad and vice versa, I know that iran has been the best out of all 4, however that does not mean that their good.

Kermanshahi,

I think you concentrate on the positives too much, and forget very crucial information, for example:-

1)Iran shelling kurdish villiages every so often

Kurdish terrorist camps are not Kurdish villages.

2)Giving drugs to kurdish youth in iran

Where are you getting this from? It's completely false.

4)Meeting with turkish/syrian officials regarding kurds

Is that a bad thing?

Not to mention, iran has sold us twice allready, who sais they wont again? every goverment acts in their own interest and no one does things to please others, dont forget that.. I apriciate the help iran has given us before, however iran must also remember the help we gave her.

When did Iran sell Kurds?

So your saying they don't hand out heroic to sunni kurds?

The government doesn't hand out drugs to anyone, infact they do their best to fight it but Kurds are on the drug route and like all people on the drug route they are somewhat affected by it. The drug problems in the West (Kordestan, Lorestan, Azarbaijan) however are nothing compared to the drug problems in the East (Baluchistan, Sistan, Khorassan), there is some corruption in the government and security forces but overall their policy is to try fight drugs and not give it to Iranian citizens.

Yes, people do drugs in iran, but I know for a fact that iranian authorities hand out heroic around kurdish youth, mostly in sunni areas.

For a fact? What fact,  have you been there have you seen it, have you read it in government policies? You've just heared it from some anti-Iranian guys, possibly seperatists or Sunni extremists, there are hundreds of ridiculous conspiracy theories floating around about Iran being spread by such people (like that IR is secretly pro-American/pro-Zionist or that IR is actually not Islamic but secretly they are all Persian supermacists eventhough most of them arenot Persian, or that they are all agents of "the Arabs", ect.), you really shouldn't believe any of this garbage.

Kurdish terrorist camps are not Kurdish villages.

Really? http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=iran+shels+kurdish+villages&meta=&btnG=Google+Search Have a look for yourself, when iran shells villages, and destroys poor peoples property, its hard for them to recover.

Where are you getting this from? It's completely false.

Let's agree to disagree.

Is that a bad thing?

It is when its about kurds, at least for me.

When did Iran sell Kurds?

They sold us to saddam, for a deal.

Iran is not faced with the same threats as Syria, Iraq and Turkey. Iranian Kurds are Iranian.

I don't have an opinion on that, nor do I have a right to, only kurds in iran can decide on that, I can however decide my fate in "iraq"

Yes they live like any other person. Turkey doesn't say Iran treats kurds badly because that is not true.

Obviously turkey wont say that officialy, Im talking about people.

I didn't know non Iranian kurds could be so full of crap, maybe it would be best if they were ruled by Turks and Arabs.

Thats offensive  so if we don't agree, that automatically means Im full of crap?

I don't have an opinion on that, nor do I have a right to, only kurds in iran can decide on that, I can however decide my fate in "iraq".

Well Kermanshahi and Barberry are both Kurds and i also have some Kurdish relatives.
 

Obviously turkey wont say that officialy, Im talking about people.

Turks say a lot of things, for example they call their Kurds, mountain Turks.

Thats offensive  so if we don't agree, that automatically means Im full of crap?

If you start spouting wahhabi propaganda then yes you're full of crap.

Really? http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=iran+shels+kurdish+villages&meta=&btnG=Google+Search Have a look for yourself, when iran shells villages, and destroys poor peoples property, its hard for them to recover.

That is not a source, so i am still waiting for a specific one and like i already told you, if they didn't associate with terrorists than they wouldn't be shelled.

Let's agree to disagree.

No lets not. You made an accusation and i asked for proof.

It is when its about kurds, at least for me.

Even if it is about their well being?

They sold us to saddam, for a deal.

I think you'll find we helped Kurds fight Saddam.


 

From the stand point of Kurds, maybe. Iran is not Kurdistan, they have other interests to look out for.

Possibly

He is a Turk from Turkey, but in any case, i said "non Iranian Kurd".

There is no iraqi or turkish kurd, a kurd is a kurd! Im as nationalist as it gets.

There is no iraqi or turkish kurd, a kurd is a kurd! Im as nationalist as it gets.

You don't have a nation. It matters very much where you're from as nationalist Iranian Kurds are Iranian nationalists.

I think we have a Kurdish Zakali on our hands.