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Syria's air defence shot down a Turkish fighter over Syria territory
« Reply #175 on: July 06, 2012, 08:56:45 PM »
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Syria's air defence shot down a Turkish fighter over Syria territory
« Reply #178 on: July 13, 2012, 05:39:30 AM »
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Alquds ol Arabi says based on their sources Syria has shot down two Turkish fighters not one fighter:

http://www.aksalser.com/?page=view_articles&id=dc42540a44638dccfb2ad2dcdaab59df&ar=133388081

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الدفاعات الجوية السورية أسقطت طائرتين تركيتين وليس واحدة و"القدس العربي" تؤكد ما نشره عكس السير سابقا
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أكدت صحيفة "القدس العربي" مانشره عكس السير سابقا حول أن الدفاعات الجوية السورية أسقطت مقاتلتين تركيتين وليس مقاتلة واحدة من طراز F4 فوق السواحل السورية كما أُعلن حينها يوم الجمعة في 22 حزيران الفائت.
 
ونقلت "القدس العربي" عن مصدر وصفته بالمطلع أن دمشق أسقطت حينها طائرتين مقاتلتين وليس طائرة واحدة، مضيفةً أن الطائرة الأولى أُصيبت بالكامل وتناثر حطامها وهي الطائرة التي قُتل طياراها وسقطا مع حطام الطائرة في مياه منطقة رأس البسيط، أما الثانية فأصيبت وقفز منها الطياران اللذان كانا بداخلها ونزلا في مياه منطقة وادي قنديل المجاورة لرأس البسيط.
 
وكشف المصدر أيضاً أنه وبعد دقائق من الحادثة دخل سرب طائرات تركية مكون من خمس طائرات مقاتلة ـ بعدم موافقة القوى الجوية السورية ـ للمجال الجوي السوري وحلقت فوق مكان الحادثة في البسيط وأن إحدى الطائرات خرجت عن السرب بمفردها واتجهت لمنطقة وادي قنديل فجرى تحذيرها سورياً برشقات من المدفع المضاد للطيران عيار 23.5 لتعود إلى داخل السرب.
 
وإذا تأكد هذا النبأ فإنه يطرح تساؤلاً حول سبب تكتم أنقرة ودمشق عن إسقاط الدفاعات الجوية السورية لمقاتلتين تركيتين والاكتفاء بالحديث عن إسقاط مقاتلة واحدة، وأشارت "القدس العربي" إلى أن المصدر مؤكد تماماً وهو في الدفاع الجوي باللاذقية.
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Re: Syria's air defence shot down a Turkish fighter over Syria territory
« Reply #179 on: July 13, 2012, 05:54:28 AM »
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Alquds ol Arabi says based on their sources Syria has shot down two Turkish fighters not one fighter:

http://www.aksalser.com/?page=view_articles&id=dc42540a44638dccfb2ad2dcdaab59df&ar=133388081

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The newspaper "Al Quds Al Arabi" Manscherh reverse traffic on that previously the Syrian air defenses shot down Trchetin fighter, not a fighter and one of type F4 over the Syrian coast was also announced on Friday, then on June 22 last.
 
It quoted "Jerusalem is Arab," a source described Palmtalaa that Damascus is dropped then two fighter and not a single plane, adding that the first plane hit in full and scattering debris which is the plane that killed two pilots and fell with the wreckage in the waters of the Ras simple, the second Vosept and jumped out pilots who were inside, and entertainment in the waters of the area of ​​Wadi Kandil adjacent to the top of the simple.
 
The source revealed also that, minutes after the incident entered squadron Turkish component of the five fighter jets not to the approval of the Air Force Syria of Syrian airspace and flew over the scene in a simple and that one of the planes out of the squadron on its own and headed to the area of ​​Wadi Kandil ran to warn Syria Brhqat of gun Anti-Air 23.5 mm back into the flock.
 
If confirmed, this news, it raises the question about the reason for reticence, Ankara and Damascus for the shooting down of Syrian air defenses and fighter Trchetin just talk for a fighter to drop one, and noted "Arab Jerusalem" that the source is quite uncertain in the air defense Latakia.
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Syria's air defence shot down a Turkish fighter over Syria territory
« Reply #180 on: July 13, 2012, 05:56:38 AM »
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Syria's air defence shot down a Turkish fighter over Syria territory
« Reply #181 on: July 13, 2012, 06:36:35 AM »
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"Syria to Turkey: Show me the missile "

"Syria: We hit the Turkish plane at close range using a simple anti-aircraft battery that has a range of less than 2km. It all happened so fast, we only found out afterwards that the plane was Turkish. We gave Turkey a piece of the tail fin with bullet holes in it, to prove that’s what happened."

"Except that, as more information seeps out of the Turkish camp, it appears they still don't have the proof."

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2012/07/201271281530204761.html

Even Algazeera admits that the Turks are lying.

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'Syria downed Turkish jet with Iran-made weapon
« Reply #182 on: September 20, 2012, 02:10:41 PM »
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Prosecutor: Jet downed by Syrian missile

ANKARA - Hürriyet Daily News



A Turkish warplane that crashed into the Mediterranean Sea on June 22 was shot down by a Syrian air defense missile that did not directly hit the plane, the Turkish Chief of General Staff Military Prosecutor’s Office said yesterday.

According to an official report, radar data obtained from the plane’s computer indicated that the plane had received a signal from a missile although Syrian authorities have long insisted that they shot down the plane within Syrian air space with anti-aircraft guns as the plane flew at an altitude of 100 meters.

But the military prosecutor’s report said that even though there were no indication that a missile impacted the plane, the plane’s remains carried traces of a material found in missiles. The report added there was no damage to the plane that might have been caused by fire from an anti-aircraft gun, as Syrian authorities have suggested.

“Parts of the retrieved plane wreck were given a metallurgic examination, and traces of potassium chlorate, which is used as an oxidizing agent in missile fuels and as the main substance in missile warheads, were found splashed on the plane’s fuselage,” the report was quoted as saying.

The report concluded that a missile was fired at the Turkish plane as it flew in international air space in the eastern Mediterranean Sea. “The missile detonated just behind and to the left of the plane. The blast caused the plane and the pilots to lose the ability to continue a stable flight. The plane continuously lost altitude as it banked left, until it crashed into the water in a position slightly tipped to the left with the plane’s nose pointing up,” the report said.

It added that there was no indication of a technical malfunction that might have caused the plane to crash.

The Chief of General Staff’s Office had previously stated that the plane had been shot down by Syria but later changed its language to “the plane which Syrian authorities claimed to have shot down.”
Experts, however, have expressed dissatisfaction with the report, saying they need more information to be sure it was a Syrian missile that hit the plane.

Experts speaking on condition of anonymity told the Hürriyet Daily News that the blast effect indicated that a proximity fuse was used to trigger the explosion, meaning the missile did not need to hit the plane to down it. It also indicates that the missile could not be a short-range one, as they were not powerful enough to down a plane with a blast effect and do not contain a proximity fuse.

The report said the plane’s warning systems indicated missile radar signals. It does not, however, mean that the missile was radar-guided, one expert said.

“The report does not indicate the class of warning. It does not say whether it was the missile’s seeking radar signal, the targeting radar of the missile, or a missile warning that appeared on the system,” one expert said.

The first and second systems appear to be the same, but they are not, according to the expert. The missile’s seeking radar would indicate a specific missile, but the second option could indicate a modern defense battalion that functions with targeting radar, which guides the missile over long distances.

“The first choice gives more likelihood to a mid-range missile, while the latter means that the Syrian defense battalion may have hit it from a long distance,” another expert said.

The third option means only the identification of an approaching missile but gives no clue about the guidance system. “To make things more complicated, a mid-range missile can be fired from the sea. Turkish radars can only see Syrian land, so a mid-range missile may not be seen from Turkey. Firing the missile from a short range would not eliminate the time in which pilots could save themselves. Furthermore, Syria was not alone on the sea. We know that two frigates from the Russian Navy were there, too,” a second expert added.

The Turkish plane had the ALQ-178 early warning system produced by Turkish firm Mikes, which were recently installed on planes and are also used on Turkish F-16 reconnaissance planes.

They have the most up-to-date database in terms of missiles, according to officials.

September/20/2012

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/prosecutor-jet-downed-by-syrian-missile.aspx?pageID=238&nID=30547&NewsCatID=341

 

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