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Re: Syria's air defence shot down a Turkish fighter over Syria territory
« Reply #100 on: June 25, 2012, 08:14:00 AM »
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Turkey has always been an enemy of Iran and Iranians throughout history. Turk propaganda even claims Nowruz is a Turkish holiday that was stolen from them by Iranians but when Kurds in turkey try to celebrate they get beaten up by the same thugs who made the outrageous claim. We Iranian Lions will eat Turkish wolves for breakfast not the other way around. Its about time Iranians saw these turks for what they are, Liars, rapist(in every sense of the word), genocidal, barbaric savages.... I could go on. I am happy that now my Iranians brothers on this forum have witnessed the crying wolf for what it is.
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Re: Syria's air defence shot down a Turkish fighter over Syria territory
« Reply #101 on: June 25, 2012, 08:47:01 AM »
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Turkey has always been an enemy of Iran and Iranians throughout history. Turk propaganda even claims Nowruz is a Turkish holiday that was stolen from them by Iranians but when Kurds in turkey try to celebrate they get beaten up by the same thugs who made the outrageous claim. We Iranian Lions will eat Turkish wolves for breakfast not the other way around. Its about time Iranians saw these turks for what they are, Liars, rapist(in every sense of the word), genocidal, barbaric savages.... I could go on. I am happy that now my Iranians brothers on this forum have witnessed the crying wolf for what it is.


Crazy 'gobble gobble's claim that Mollana is turkish, so when you ask them where is his Turkish writings, b/c if he was turkish he surely would have turkish writings.. so the 'gobble gobble' then does something rather different that what normal Turkey's would do, they pull off an ostrich, just slightly different, they put their head up their ass.. kinda like this..

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Re: Syria's air defence shot down a Turkish fighter over Syria territory
« Reply #102 on: June 25, 2012, 09:06:43 AM »
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holy...is that real :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Syria's air defence shot down a Turkish fighter over Syria territory
« Reply #103 on: June 25, 2012, 09:26:50 AM »
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1. In no way will NATO be involved in this situation. Cimantics aside, Turkish jet did violate Syrian airspace and, while a warning would have been nice, Syria was still correct to do what it did. Besides, this was clearly a reconnaissance mission and not a routine flight. Why else would the jet be flying so low other than to avoid radar?

Zone is kinda volatile  ... incirlik Air Base has Recce Specific squadrons and F-4E 2020 are placed there also , which makes me  believe that downed aircraft came from there on a recce + marking mission ,  Iskandurun Base has airstrip too but its unlikely to be used for such a critical mission .... Turkiye is obviously trying to fool everyone abt the distance of 15km from  latakia ... if Suriye downed the aircraft with AAG than it was within 4 km  from coast ... hell even 14 km is way into the airspace sovereignty which begins 22 km from coast ... All in all i would say brave decision of Syrian-AD ...


@emirzaad: You over-emphasize Turkish-Israeli relations. All military cooperation has ceased.

lol , 4 decades of military cooperation does not just cease to exist one night ... they have Billions of Dollars dealings still "pending" and deliveries on "halt" ... even thats not true , take Heron example ...


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Re: Syria's air defence shot down a Turkish fighter over Syria territory
« Reply #104 on: June 25, 2012, 10:28:03 AM »
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Oh.... the negative rep.... i think i offended one of these;


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Syria's air defence shot down a Turkish fighter over Syria territory
« Reply #105 on: June 25, 2012, 12:45:01 PM »
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There are some reports that Syria fired today at another Turkish fighter without downing it

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Syria's air defence shot down a Turkish fighter over Syria territory
« Reply #106 on: June 25, 2012, 01:07:10 PM »
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For now their trying to organize a "whining" OTAN session ...

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« Reply #107 on: June 25, 2012, 04:34:41 PM »
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Turkish Phantom shot down in Syria update: it may have violated the Syrian airspace to probe the air defenses readiness June 25, 2012

Posted by David Cenciotti in Syria.

According to the latest news about the Turkish F-4 shot down by a Syrian Air Defense battery on Jun. 22, the North Atlantic Council will meet on Tuesday Jun. 26, following a request by Turkey under article 4 of NATO’s founding Treaty.

Under article 4 of the Treaty, any ally can request consultation whenever, in the opinion of any of them, their territorial integrity, political independence or security is threatened.

The problem is that Turkey says the unarmed combat plane (173Filo/7Aju) from Erhac, shot down by the Syrian military was engaged without warning.

The aircraft was testing a domestic radar system and was fired at upon leaving Syrian airspace, Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu said. He also confirmed that the aircraft did enter Syrian airspace before being engaged by the Syrian Anti-Aircraft Artillery, although it had happened by mistake.

As explained on several posts of the Airspace Violations series, aircraft violating a foreign airspace should not be fired upon but warned, intercepted and eventually escorted outside the violated airspace. Anyway, what is still far from being explained is the reason why an (R)F-4 was flying at low level and high-speed just 1 km off the Syrian coast. There are at least three possibilities: navigation error, weather, or intentional violation to probe the enemy air defense readiness.

Although the navigation error can’t never be ruled out a priori, considering the equipment carried by the aircraft, the fact that there are two crew members in a Phantom and, above all, that the plane was flying next to a “danger zone” there’s reason to believe that the two on board were perfectly aware of their position.

What is particularly interesting is the altitude at which the plane was flying when it entered the Syrian airspace. It was extremely low (and it was most probably gunned optically, with no radar lock). As a NATO pilot told me “when you are flying at hi-speed low-altitude you are either performing a rather awkward attempt to penetrate the enemy airspace to use the onboard sensors or to keep below the cloud cover. However, since flying an ISR (Intelligence Surveillance Reconnaissance) mission at low level and less than 12 nautical miles from the coast is almost useless, I think they were probing the Syrian air defense. And I think that they now have a good idea of their readiness status that is, among the others, one of the most interesting things we can learn from the incident.”

Although they most probably knew that the aircraft was a Turkish Air Force plane, the Syrians may have mistaken it for a defecting Syrian Arab Air Force plane. Hence they shot it down before it could reach Turkey, to prevent another embarrassing episode like the one of the Mig-21 that defected to Jordan.

Even if one might believe that buzzing the enemy airspace to test its reaction time or actively disturbing the enemy training activities is something rare, it is not for Turkey or Syria according to what the NATO pilot told to The Aviationist:

“Few years ago, I was flying as a backseater of a Turkish combat plane during a Taceval at Diyarbakir. Our route brought us along the border with Syria and for almost all that leg of our flight our radio communication were (actively) disturbed. Since the jamming of the radio communications was not planned for that kind of mission, it was most probably the effect of a direct action of the Syrian armed forces.”

In the meantime, the fuselage and ejection seats were located (meaning that both pilots have ejected) but they were not recovered yet.

Their names were made public as Captain Gökhan Ertan and Lieutenant Hasan Hüseyin Aksoy.

http://theaviationist.com/2012/06/25/turkish-phantom-down-theory/

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Syria's air defence shot down a Turkish fighter over Syria territory
« Reply #108 on: June 25, 2012, 10:42:28 PM »
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Turkish Air Force F4 Downed by Syria - The Pieces Don’t Fit

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/06/25/1102989/-Turkish-Air-Force-F4-Downed-by-Syria-The-Pieces-Don-t-Fit

The pilots are reported to still be missing. A few reports state that the ejection seats, parachutes and what is believed to be the pilot boots have been found but that the ejection seats don’t appear to have been used.

I still do not see any public uproar against Syria. A few media personalities have done their standard chest-thumping but many newspaper writers and TV news reporters say there are a lot of questions still unanswered and things don’t seem to fit together.

There is an undercurrent of speculation about whether or not the F4, and Turkey, might have been used as a disposable pawn by the west in its anti-Assad efforts.

The whole affair has not elevated the public’s opinions of the ruling AKP and the government of PM Erdoğan. It has diminished it. Discussion abounds about whether or not the PM is allowing Turkey to be used as a pawn and why is the Turkish government so involved with Syria when there are more pressing domestic issues. Public opinion against Turkish involvement in Syria runs at more than 70% and for it at 10% or less.

The Turkish Government's timeline for this affair is that the F4 was at 21,000 feet flying northeast from off the northeast corner of Cyprus towards Hatay. As it flew towards Hatay it gradually descended to 2,000 feet in order to test the Turkish radar systems, and at 11:40 arrived off the coast of Hatay where it turned south and flew along the coast towards Syria while descending to 200 feet. The F4 entered Syrian airspace and was in Syrian airspace until 11:47. The timeline then jumps up to 11:58 when the F4 was hit by an anti-aircraft missile 13 miles off the Syrian coast and went down about 8 miles off the Syrian coast about 20 km south of Turkish airspace. The F4 according to this timeline was reported to have been flying erratically before it was hit by the missile.

Update: It has just begun to be reported in the Turkish media that the last radio traffic between the F4 and the Turkish Air Force happened at 11:43. This has not been confirmed by any official statements. end Update

The first part of the Turkish timeline - the F4 flying at a low altitude towards Syria and into Syria - fits with what multiple eyewitnesses reported and is similar to the first part of the Syrian Government's timeline, but the Syrian timeline states that the F4 was hit by anti-aircraft fire as it was flying at a very low altitude between 1 and 2.5 km off the Syrian coast.

As I understand it the area around Latakia, which is about 45 km south of the Turkish-Syrian border, is very sensitive for the Syrians and according to the Syrıian timeline the F4 was hit by anti-aircraft fire which was north of Latakia and defending this area.

There are also reports that the Syrians have recovered the tail fin of the F4, that it had holes in it from anti-aircraft fire and that the Syrian government has handed it over to the Turkish government.

It has been reported that the EU will not support any call for anti-Syrian military actions at the NATO meeting tomorrow.

Update: Turkish Government Spokesman and Deputy PM Bülent Arınç has stated in a news conference that a Turkish Air Force Search and Rescue aircraft (a CASA) was briefly fired upon by Syrian forces while it was in Syrian airspace as it was flying to join search and rescue efforts shortly after the Turkish F4 went down last Friday.

It appears that the Syrian government had not been informed that the aircraft would be coming to participate in search and rescue and experienced "a short period of hostile fire" and the matter was resolved when the Turkish Foreign Ministry informed the Syrian Government that the aircraft was being sent to join in the search and rescue efforts.

The aircraft was not hit. end Update

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Syria's air defence shot down a Turkish fighter over Syria territory
« Reply #109 on: June 25, 2012, 11:06:28 PM »
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IMO turkish AF is trying to get as much info abt Syrian AD as possible ...

Shot down Phantom came  from Erhach in Malatya ... and was a Israeli upgraded RF-4ETM ISIK  ...RF-4ETM Isik are modified to carry KS-146 LOROP recce pods capable of taking high-resolution images of objects 150 km away ... most probably on an ELINT mission and to stimulate the Syrian AD to activate their fire control radars, therefore give away critical location data that could be used by  NATO if it tries to enforce a no fly zone . Syrians were clever enuf to use AA instead of a SAM . I wonder if interceptors from   Minakh or Latakia AB were scrambled too ...

Thats a RF-4C carrying a LOROP ...



If i remember correctly ,  a pic of similar pod on a Iranian phantom came out some time back ...

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Re: Syria's air defence shot down a Turkish fighter over Syria territory
« Reply #110 on: June 26, 2012, 12:12:33 AM »
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I feel bad about getting on Kermanshai about him not likeing the Turkish govt. and calling them zionists, turns out in my opinion he was right. If he is reading the forum; i just want to tell him sorry and he was right.


But wait : Barzani set up Mossad den against Iran in Iraqi Kurdistan
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/06/25/247921/barzani-set-up-mossad-den-against-iran/

The kurds and the turks are both working with the zionists.

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Re: Syria's air defence shot down a Turkish fighter over Syria territory
« Reply #111 on: June 26, 2012, 02:06:59 AM »
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Re: Syria's air defence shot down a Turkish fighter over Syria territory
« Reply #112 on: June 26, 2012, 03:37:45 AM »
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I happen to be very Pro-Kurdish since the Lurs are a Sub-group of the Kurds and also since we are Iranian people.

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Syria's air defence shot down a Turkish fighter over Syria territory
« Reply #113 on: June 26, 2012, 10:36:13 PM »
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i think that after the turkish meeting every will be clearer about the nato's position on this fact. for now the turkey have deployed 15 tanks within the boundaries.

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Re: Syria's air defence shot down a Turkish fighter over Syria territory
« Reply #114 on: June 27, 2012, 12:02:06 AM »
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I am against any country which is an enemy of Iran, it doesn't matter to me if it is Turkey, zionist israel, U.S or those Wahhabi children of their camels.

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Re: Syria's air defence shot down a Turkish fighter over Syria territory
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Syria's air defence shot down a Turkish fighter over Syria territory
« Reply #116 on: June 27, 2012, 04:47:57 PM »
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On another note:
 
 Russian media reports: S-300 sale to Syria cancelled
http://www.****.***/Defense/Article.aspx?id=275480

Warning: Source is Zionist


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Re: Syria's air defence shot down a Turkish fighter over Syria territory
« Reply #117 on: June 27, 2012, 05:17:55 PM »
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Russian source: http://www.vedomosti.ru/search/?order=date&s=%D1%E8%F0%E8%FE+%D1-300

"Россия не поставит в Сирию С-300 Несмотря на заключенный ранее ... -ракетную систему большой дальности С-300ПМУ-2 в Сирию, сообщили источники в ОПК. "

Roughly: According to the sources in the defence industry Russia is not going to supply Syria with long range missile system S-300 despite of earlier intent to do so... Or something like that.
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Syria's air defence shot down a Turkish fighter over Syria territory
« Reply #118 on: June 27, 2012, 05:45:03 PM »
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Turkey's verbally bellicose reaction to it's jet being shot down can prove to be a more significant mistake than the shooting down itself.  It is now presenting a real and substantiated 'foreign' threat for Syria's government to take advantage of and leverage.  NATO and the US realize this and are trying to hush Erdogan up by playing down the incident but he doesn't grasp this fundamental concept and every time he opens his mouth he gives more real ammo to Syria's government.  Syria can now (optionally) link the internal terrorists with Turkey rather than the more ethereal actions of the US or Gulf countries.  I believe it would be stupid if they didn't.

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Re: Syria's air defence shot down a Turkish fighter over Syria territory
« Reply #119 on: June 27, 2012, 06:04:59 PM »
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Funny how right after Putin visits Nothingyahoo, S-300 sale is cancelled..Like I keep saying, any country that depends on Russia for their defence is doomed..They'll drop you like a hot brick when you most need them...

Here's the calculation: No S-300 for Syria means Israel will be able to fly over Syria to reach Iran if they need to..


With this attitude, they wonder why Russian influence in the region is almost 0...

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« Reply #120 on: June 27, 2012, 06:16:57 PM »
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Yes, same S-300-Game as it was with Iran. So now everyone has to realize how strong Iran is cause of developing own military stuff what ever the demand is.

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« Reply #121 on: June 27, 2012, 06:56:07 PM »
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apparently the defection of the Syrian Mig-21 fighter pilot is related to the downing of the Turkish F-4 fighter!  The Jordan Airforce with the help of the Israelis transferred the Syrian friend or foe Radar codes to the Turks immediately and Turks used this codes on their F-4 Phantom raid into Syria just the day after the defection, thus Syrian radars will see them as friend. However, the Syrian intelligence was aware of this whole plan (pilot defection and radar codes transfer) and ordered the grounding of all Syrian planes at that time and to shoot any plane even if it appears to register as friend on the Radar. The Syrian air defense shot a the 2 intruding F-4s, downed one and damaged the other one. This is why the turks got really shocked because they thought they were very clever here but got their butts raped unexpectedly. the whole operation by Turkey, Jordan and Israel failed!

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به گزارش رسانه‌های منطقه، بسیاری هستند که نمی‌دانند فرار خلبان سوری به اردن با جنگنده میگ ۲۱ چه ارتباطی دارد با جنگنده‌های اف۴ ترکیه که جمعه ۲۲ ژوئن وارد حریم هوایی سوریه شد و چرا پدافند هوایی سوریه بلافاصله پس از رصد آن، این دو جنگنده را نشانه گرفت و یکی را سرنگون کرد.

در پاسخ ضمن بیان جزئیات این ارتباط،‌ باید گفت که عملیات شکار کلاغ سرویس اطلاعاتی سوریه، موفق اجرا شد و به تبع آن عملیات بزرگ ترکیه و اسرائیل که بخشی از آن را گروهک‌های مسلح در چند شهر سوریه بر عهده داشتند،‌ شکست خورد.

ایاد الجاجه در گزارشی افشاگرانه که در دام‌پرس سوریه منتشر کرد، ماجرا را این‌طور آغاز کرد که روزی که خلبان سوری به اردن فرار کرد، کاربران فیس‌‌بوک خبری منتشر کردند که بر خلاف روزهای گذشته بود که یک بسته انفجاری در یکی از شهرهای سوریه منفجر شد و شلیک گلوله و درگیری در شهر دیگر روی داده است.

دام پرس نوشت: قبل از ظهر پنج‌شنبه ۲۱ ژوئن مردم سوریه شوکه شدند وقتی شنیدند که هواپیمای میگ۲۱ سوریه پس از قطع ارتباطات‌ش در یک پرواز آزمایشی در اردن فرود آمده است. مردم، این را از رسانه‌های سوریه شنیدند.

مردم در حالتی از ابهام و امید بودند که حسن مرعی الحماده خلبان سوری، از ارتش جدا نشده و با هواپیما به اردن فرار نکرده باشد تا زمانی‌که دیگر شک‌ها به یقین تبدیل شد و وزرات دفاع در بیانیه‌ای اعلام کرد که حماده خلبان فراری، خائن به وطن و شرافت نظامی‌اش است. شوک بزرگ به مردم سوریه زمانی بود که رسانه‌های سوریه پیش از این اعلام کرده بودند که هواپیمای سوریه به دلیل نقص فنی در اردن فرود آمده است.

نویسنده با بیان این سؤال که «سوری‌ها حق دارند از سرویس اطلاعات سوریه بپرسند که چه اتفاقی می‌افتاد اگر غفلت می‌کردید و خلبان فراری قبل از فرار، نقاطی متعلق به ارتش را بمب‌باران می‌کرد؟» که در ادامه نوشت: یک روز بعد، جمعه ۲۲ ژوئن باز هم صفحات فیس‌بوک، خبری منتشر کردند مبنی بر اینک‌ه یک فروند جنگنده‌ی ترکه در آب‌های منطقه‌ای سوریه مقابل منطقه البدروسیه در لاذقیه سرنگون شده و یکی دیگر مورد اصابت گلوله قرار گرفته اما به ترکیه بازگشته است. این خبر را رسانه‌های سوریه نه رد کردند نه تایید تا این‌که بیانیه‌ی وزیر دفاع سوریه منتشر و در آن تاکید شد «دفاع هوایی ما یک شیء ناشناس را که بعدا روشن شد جنگنده‌ی ترکیه است، ساقط کرده‌ است».

حال سوال مهم این است «فرار خلبان سوری به اردن» با هواپیمای آموزشی میگ۲۱ چه ارتباطی با جنگنده‌ی ترکیه که ساقط شد، دارد؟

پاسخ این سوال در عملیات سرویس اطلاعات سوریه با نام «شکار کلاغ» است؛

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سرویس اطلاعات سوریه [قبل از فرار «حماده» خلبان فراری] دیدار او (حماده) با چند شخص غیرسوری را رصد کرد و همه‌ی تماس‌های او و تماس‌های خانه‌واده‌اش را تحت نظر داشت. به اطلاعاتی از این اشخاص دست‌رسی پیدا شد. آن‌ها اردنی بودند و جاسوس‌های دست‌گاه اطلاعاتی اردن. دست‌گاه اطلاعات سوریه چندین تماس تحریک‌آمیز آنان با حماده (خلبان سوری فراری) را ثبت کردند. از جمله تصاویری که از شب‌نشینی صمیمانه او با یک زن در دمشق ضبظ شد و در برخی تماس‌های دیگر پیش‌نهادهای مالی و سفر به یک کشور اروپایی هم‌راه خانه‌واده‌اش پیش‌نهاد شد.

سرویس اطلاعاتی سوریه، بازی را کشف کرد. بنابراین تحرکات عناصر اردنی را به دقت رصد کرد و مقاصد آنان را دریافت. دست‌گاه اطلاعات سوریه در ابتدا تصور کرد که تمام این تلاش‌ها فقط برای جدا کردن یک خلبان از نیروی هوایی سوریه است و اطلاعی از فرار او با هواپیمای میگ۲۱ نداشت. اما زمانی‌که دست‌گاه اطلاعاتی، برنامه‌ی پروازهای آموزشی نیروی هوایی را بررسی کرد، متوجه شد که حماده روز ۲۱ ژوئن یک پرواز آمورشی دارد.

این‌جا، شک دست‌گاه اطلاعاتی سوریه بیش‌تر شد که ممکن است هواپیمای میگ۲۱ نیز در بازی باشد. اما سفر خانه‌واده‌ی حماده دو روز قبل از فرار او به اردن، تردیدها را به یقین تبدیل کرد. این سفر ۱۹ ژوئن انجام شد. خانه‌واده‌ی حماده در اردن در یک هتل ۵ ستاره در امان پای‌تخت اردن ساکن شد. سرویس اطلاعاتی سوریه دیگر یقین کرد که حماده قرار است روز پنج‌شنبه در پرواز آموزشی خود، با هواپیمای میگ۲۱ به اردن فرار کند، اما چرا او بازداشت نشد؟

سرویس اطلاعات سوریه اطلاعاتی از ترکیه به دست آورد که نشان می‌داد طرحی به موازات این بازی در جریان و آماده‌ی اجراست که دست‌گاه اطلاعات اردن و اسرائیل (موساد) سعی دارند در اقدامی از پیش تعیین شده موجی از فرار ساخته‌گی جنگنده‌های سوریه به راه بیندازند و اعلام کنند که این جنگنده‌ها قبل از فرار، پدافند هوایی سوریه در لاذقیه را بمب‌باران کرده‌اند. [در حقیقت قرار بود این پدافندها بمب‌باران شود] قرار بود این کارها برای ایجاد منطقه‌ی حائل در مرز سوریه و ترکیه در عمق ۱۰ تا ۱۵ کیلومتری عمق خاک سوریه صورت بگیرد تا هزاران تروریست با ملیت سوری، عربی، آفریقایی و افغان در آن متمرکز، سپس به داخل سوریه حمله‌ور شوند. این یورش طوری برنامه‌ریزی شده بود که هم‌زمان با آنان، گروه‌های تروریستی مستقر در ریف‌دمشق، ریف‌حلب، ادلب و برخی نقاط دیگر به ره‌بری عناصر اردنی و ترکیه‌ای، فعال شوند تا تمرکز نیروهای نظامی و مسلح سوریه و ارتش این کشور بر هم بخورد... امـا این عملیاتِ فرار خیالی جنگنده‌های سوریه، چه‌گونه شکست خـورد؟

هواپیمای میگ۲۱ ساخت سال ۱۹۵۹ روسیه است. سوریه تعدادی از این جنگنده‌ها را در دهه‌های گذشته خریداری کرده و در توافقی با روسیه، کار تعمیر و نگه‌داری آن را به روسیه سپرده و از این هواپیماها فقط در پروازهای آموزشی استفاده می‌کند. لذا این جنگنده‌ها رسما خلع‌سلاح شده است و طبق قوانین بین‌المللی و معاهده‌های امضاء شده با سازمان ملل، مجهز به سلاح نیست.

هدف از عملیات فرار خلبان حماده در وهله‌ی اول برای اسرائیل سپس برای اردن و ترکیه، تصویربرداری از دو وضعیت آن از چند زاویه در آسمان و هنگام فرود سپس دست‌یابی به سیستم رمز مخصوص هواپیماهای سوریه بود. این سیستم برای هر هواپیمایی از این نوع، امکان پرواز در دامنه‌ی پوششی رادارهای سوریه در آسمان این کشور را فراهم می‌کند؛ بدین معنا که شما هر جنگنده‌ای با این سیستم رمز را در رادار ببینید گمان می‌کنید که این هواپیما سوری است.

سرویس اطلاعات سوریه اکنون بر سر دوراهی است؛ یا خلبان حماده را قبل از پرواز آموزشی برنامه‌ریزی شده در ۲۱ ژوئن بازداشت کند در نتیجه دیگر دست‌ش از دیگر مزدوران اردنی و ترکیه‌ای که با گروه‌های مذکور در سوریه ارتباط دارند،‌ کوتاه می‌شود... یــا اجازه بدهد خلبان حماده پرواز کرده و به اردن فرار کند و خود را تا زمان وارد کردن ضربه‌ی آخر، فریب‌خورده نشان بدهد.

سرویس اطلاعات سوریه حماده را «طعمه» و قربانی کرد. حماده پنجشنبه ۲۱ ژوئن با میگ۲۱ فرار کرد. رسانه‌های سوریه با سرگردانی از سرنوشت این هواپیما خبر رسانی می‌کردند. گاهی می‌گفتند ارتباط‌ش قطع شده است. گاهی می‌گفتند در اردن فرود آمده است. وزارت دفاع سوریه هم تماس‌هایی با اردن برقرار کرد تا درخواست عودت هواپیما را بکند تا حسن‌نیت خود را نشان بدهد و از طرفی طرف‌های مختلف توطئه را اطمینان‌ بدهد که عملیات‌شان تا این‌جا موفق بوده است. فرصتی که آن‌ها مقابل خود داشتند، بیش‌تر از ۲۴ ساعت نبود. بنابر این تصویربرداران در فرودگاه ملک حسین اردن در انتظار بودند تا زمانی‌که میگ۲۱ سوریه وارد فرودگاه شده و تصویربرداری از چند زاویه آغاز شد. تصاویر برای شبکه‌های الجزیره و العربیه که منتظر اسم رمز آغاز عملیات بودند، ارسال شد تا موج ساخته‌گی فرار خلبانان سوری را آغاز کنند.

قرار بود وانمود شود که خلبانان سوری فرار کرده و قبل از فرار، نقاطی متعلق به ارتش سوریه را هم بمب‌باران کرده‌اند تا پس از آن موج مصاحبه‌ها، تحلیل‌های سیاسی و گزارش‌های نظامی از این اتفاقات تولید شود.

فـرود میگ۲۱ سوریه در فرودگاه اردن؛ ۲۱ ژوئن

سرانجام میگ۲۱ فرود آمد. کارشناسان اسرائیلی، بلافاصله سیستم رمز مخصوص هواپیما را جدا کردند و با خود به تل‌آویو بردند. مشابه آن را با یک جنگنده‌ی اسرائیلی که در پای‌گاه اینجرلیک ترکیه فرود آمد، برای ترکیه ارسال کردند. این سیستم روی ۲ جنگنده‌ی ترکیه نصب شد. طبق برنامه‌‌ی زمان‌بندی شده، زمان اعلام آغاز عملیات دو جنگنده‌ی کاملا مسلح ترکیه در آسمان سوریه برای بمب‌باران چندین نقطه‌ی نظامی سوریه فرا رسید. دو جنگنده‌ی [اف۴] ترکیه وارد آسمان سوریه در منطقه‌ی البدروسیه در لاذقیه شدند. ارتفاع خود را با سطح دریا تا حد امکان کم کردند تا با چشم غیرمسلح شناسایی نشوند. رادار سوریه آن دو را دو هواپیمای سوری نشان می‌دهد.

دو خلبان ترکیه‌ای اطمینان داشتند که سوری‌ها گمان می‌کنند که آنان دو جنگنده‌ی سوری هستند. دو جنگنده کاملا به ساحل نزدیک شدند اما ناگهان تیراندازی پدافند هوایی سوریه شروع شد و یک جنگنده در دریا سقوط کرد و دیگری مورد اصابت قرار گرفت و به ترکیه بازگشت. بی‌شک دو خلبان ترکیه‌ای شوکه شدند همان‌طور که رجب طیب اردوغان نخست‌وزیرشان شوکه شد و این امر در اظهارات‌ش نمایان‌گر شده بود. برای آنان این سؤال پش آمد که ارتش سوریه چه‌گونه به دو هواپیمایی شلیک کرد که رادار سوریه آن را دو هواپیمای سوری نشان می‌داد؟!

وزارت دفاع سوریه هم‌چنان نقش عنصر فریب‌خورده را بازی می‌کرد. هم‌زمان سرویس اطلاعات سوریه برای مزدوران اردنی و ترک و گروه‌های وابسته به آنان در ریف‌دمشق و ریف‌ادلب و ریف‌حلب کمین گذاشت و منتظر آغاز عملیات و صدور دستور از جانب مقامات بود.

زمانی‌که خلبان حماده با میگ۲۱ به اردن فرار کرد،‌ وزارت دفاع سوریه به همه‌ی یگان‌ها دستور داد که تا اطلاع‌ ثانوی و تحت هیچ شرایطی هیچ هواپیمای سوریه حق پرواز ندارد و در مقابل، به پدافند هوایی دستور داده شد که هر هواپیمایی رصد کرد آن را بزند ولو این‌که سوری باشد... بله، حتی اگر سوری باشد. اطلاعات وزارت دفاع سوریه در این خصوص کامل بود. زیرا می‌دانست که جنگنده‌های ترکیه با سیستم رمز میگ۲۱ سوری وارد آسمان سوریه خواهند شد. در نتیجه رادارهای سوریه هویت آنان را تشخیص نخواهند داد.

سرانجام پس از ساقط شدن یک جنگنده‌ی ترکیه در آب‌های سوریه و اصابت دومی و بازگشت‌ش به ترکیه، مسؤولان این کشور با گروه‌های مستقر در سوریه تماس گرفتند و اعلام کردند که عملیات شکست خورده و باید از محل استقرار خود عقب‌نشینی کنند. ترک‌ها دریافتند که عملیات فرار ساخته‌گی هواپیماها و خلبان‌های سوریه به اردن فاش شده و شکست خورده است و سرویس اطلاعاتی سوریه سریع‌تر از آنان عمل کرده است.

جالب توجه این است که پس از شکست عملیات رسانه‌ای «فرار خلبانان سوریه به اردن» برخی منابع مانند الجزیره و العربیه هنوز عملیات شکست خورده را ادامه دادند و مدعی شدند که ۷ خلبان دیگر سوریه به اردن پناهنده شده‌اند، امــا سمیح المعایطه وزیر مشاور دولت اردن در امور رسانه‌ها در گفت‌وگو با البیان امارات گفت: این اخبار نادرست است و صحت ندارد... اگر مورد جدیدی باشد خودمان آن را اعلام می‌کنیم و چیزی برای مخفی کردن نداریم.

اکنون با روشن شدن عملیات دو جنگنده‌ی ترکیه‌ای، علت خبرسازی دوباره‌ی ترکیه مبنی بر این‌که یک هواپیمای آن دوباره هدف شلیک نیروهای سوریه قرار گرفته چیست؟ این هواپیما همان هواپیمای دوم است که روز جمعه هدف اصابت قرار گرفت اما موفق شد،‌ فرار کند.
و این یکی از بزرگ‌ترین افتضاحات اطلاعاتی و عملیاتی فتنه‌گران در سوریه تا کنون است.

بزرگ‌ترین افتضاح عملیاتی فتنه‌گران در سوریه
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Syria's air defence shot down a Turkish fighter over Syria territory
« Reply #122 on: June 27, 2012, 07:13:57 PM »
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So I was reading up on this IFF radar system until I realised how inappropriate it is to browse such things these days. Anyhow, while I'm waiting for the police to kick in my door, could you explain how realistic it is to simply copy such codes? Seems that they would be rather well encrypted, considering their importance.

In other news: Iran calls for closer ties with Turkey
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Syria's air defence shot down a Turkish fighter over Syria territory
« Reply #123 on: June 27, 2012, 08:45:16 PM »
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So I was reading up on this IFF radar system until I realised how inappropriate it is to browse such things these days. Anyhow, while I'm waiting for the police to kick in my door, could you explain how realistic it is to simply copy such codes? Seems that they would be rather well encrypted, considering their importance.

In other news: Iran calls for closer ties with Turkey

not if you take the IFF transponder module out from one plane (defected mig-21) and attach it to the other (Turkish intruder F-4)
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'Syria downed Turkish jet with Iran-made weapon
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yrian news outlets quoted a military expert as saying that the anti-aircraft weapons used to down a Turkish fighter jet last weekend were made in Iran, Al-Quds al-Arabi reported Wednesday.

According to the Arabic newspaper, the Syrian expert said Damascus purchased an Iranian-made anti-aircraft gun two years ago. He said the gun can be mounted on armored vehicles.

The expert said the downed Turkish jet flew at a low altitude so as not to be detected by the Syrian radar. However, the expert said, the Turkish crew was not aware that the Syrian air force was in possession of a weapon capable of intercepting planes flying at such a low altitude.

'Syrian system is much more dense'

Meanwhile, the Seattle Times quoted American security officials as saying that Syria's downing of the Turkish jet showed its military is capable of mounting a sophisticated defense against potential enemies, thus "complicating a Libyan-style intervention."

The US officials said Syria's air defense systems have been beefed up by purchases from Russia following the bombing a Syrian nuclear reactor under construction five years ago. Foreign media said the attack was carried out by Israel.

US military officials were quoted as saying that, at least on paper, the Syrian air defenses appear to be far more robust than those encountered by NATO in Libya and stronger than even Iran's.

"I can name you worse (systems), but they are in places like China ," said an Air Force official.

According to the Seattle Times, defense officials and military analysts say defeating Syria's air defenses would require a sustained US military effort that would probably lead to civilian casualties.

The report said most defense analysts claim the Syrian system is similar to the Iranian air defenses in terms of technology, but they suggested that Syrian version is more effective because it is concentrated in a smaller area.

"The Iranians have a huge geographic area to cover, which creates gaps that you can fly through and around," said Jeffrey White, a fellow at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy and a former Defense Intelligence Agency analyst. "The Syrian system is much more dense."

The experts said the Syrian air defenses are also more tightly integrated than the Iraqi or the Libyan systems, allowing Syrian military officers at disparate sites to share targeting information gleaned from radar.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4248375,00.html

 

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