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Easy way of getting supersonic AShMs for Iran
« on: March 07, 2011, 05:12:14 AM »
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Iran has the KH-58 missile, which is a Mach 3.6 missile with a range of up to 250km and a warhead of 150kg. Russia created an Anti-ship variant called the KH-58A but it never entered service.

It could also be used for a land attack cruise missile as well as its original role of anti-radiation, so this missile is likely to be reverse engineered, and there is a high possibility of it being inaugerated in the short future. If given foldable wings like the one below, it could fit into the sofre mahi UCAV if it ever goes operational. It could also be launched from submarines as well. If used on SU-24s it could also give Iran the ability to hit well outside of the Gulf of Oman.

« Last Edit: March 07, 2011, 05:15:39 AM by Shirazi »

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Re: Easy way of getting supersonic AShMs for Iran
« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2011, 07:08:22 AM »
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Technically most Anti-Radiation missiles could used against ships since all major surface combatants have radars systems. It's simply a matter of identifying those radar signals (using ELINT aircraft which Iran has at least 1 at the moment) and then programing the missile's seeker to home in on that signal(s).

And that is actually the Kh-58's only real flaw. Its seeker (at least the model Iran imported) was designed to defeat western SAM systems of the day, primarily the HAWK missile.The newer models can now engage much more advanced SAM/Radar systems. But i think its quite feasible Iran could improve the seeker to lock on to more modern radars used today especially if they expand their fleet of ELINT aircraft to collect the needed data. 

Also the model Iran likely received only has a 160km range not 250km, that is the Kh-58U variant which was not exported outside the Soviet Union until 1991 as a downgraded model which is after Iran ordered their Su-24s. Regardless, it is still impressive range for a ARM and the U model in particular has a lock-on after launch ability the basic Kh-58 did not have.

So if Iran could build their own Kh-58 with at least the same technology as the Kh-58U they would have a very dangerous ARM on their hands and the basis for a dangerous anti-shipping missile to any naval vessel only armed with CIWS (mainly designed to defeat subsonic missiles).

Submarine launched is another task entirely. It would require a specially designed launch capsule as the Chinese have designed for their YJ-82 launched from their newer submarines. Not sure how complicated of a job it is be we havent seen any evidence they have this technology yet though againt I dont know how hard it is to develop, could be a simple task or a complicated one (likely the former personally).
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Re: Easy way of getting supersonic AShMs for Iran
« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2011, 10:46:51 AM »
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The platform I launch from best (1)Air launched (2)Submergible launched.For air launch this may be done by stealth craft at high altitude & longer range stealth karrar also good for this use , so combine designs of 2 warheads (PG missile can also share the warhead design ). Submersible fast attack boat can have this fitted and to fire when quickly emerge from water .The seekers passive EO & IR .Or better still for fast attack boat , use this as short range artillery instead .The attack boat use method like Dolphin craft and glide out , because missile so fast it has very flat trajectory over short distance (5km~10km)and boat fire and forget and turn quickly deploy countermeasure or dive again .The missile fired like artillery without guidance but can have oscillating trajectory by simple method for first 2 or 3 second.
The boat just outside range of CIWS when firing and move and fire too fast for heavy radar guided artillery (if stealth boat then less problems).The warhead can be frag (small particles) that will hit radar antenae with proximity fuse to ship.
The advantage of this method is cheap and not jammable by any method and also path is not predictable and fast at short distance and can be carried by boat .
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distance to ship when firing  : 5km min
time to surface :2sec.
time to aim and fire : 5 sec .
time to reach ship:5 sec .
time to dive :2 sec .

Can ship's sam track ,target and reach boat in less than 7 sec ?
« Last Edit: March 07, 2011, 12:39:17 PM by nomad »
Error is inconsistent with my prime function .

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Re: Easy way of getting supersonic AShMs for Iran
« Reply #3 on: March 07, 2011, 12:08:51 PM »
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great, so they need to upgrade their missile to U model, then send PG missile & this Kh-58 upgraded.
if the use radar to hit PG missile they will be hit by Kh-58, if they shut there radar system they going to be hit by PG missile.
Great combination.
  

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Re: Easy way of getting supersonic AShMs for Iran
« Reply #4 on: March 18, 2011, 11:08:55 PM »
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why cant iran copy it
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