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how many arrow missiles does israel have?
« on: July 17, 2012, 12:43:40 PM »
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The debate between arrow vs shahab, sejil ect is a lenghthy one, but i think what would give us a good idea of who has more advantage in the missile department would be if we know how many arrow missiles israel have. We dont know exaclty how many missiles Iran has but we can estimate with all the missiles that have 1000km+ range, iran has a lower end of approx 400 (reports say that iran has capacity of building 75 missiles w/2000km range a year [http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3636744,00.html], shahab was introduced 2003, the rest was estm maths).

1)So if iran was to launch 150 in a full scale war, would israel have enough no. of arrows to stop the majority of these missiles (assuming it has v.high hit ratio), also we know arrow systems have six launchers?

2) and how many missiles need to hit israel for it to stop US and Israel to stop war and retreat? i.e. how many sites does iran need to hit for Israels economy to diminish to a point where continuing war would be impossibl?
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Re: how many arrow missiles does israel have?
« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2012, 02:03:41 PM »
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The question is how many missiles and launchers Iran has and how many of them have to be destroyed until it stops war and shooting at US and Zionist targets.
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Re: how many arrow missiles does israel have?
« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2012, 02:59:40 PM »
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On the other hand, not all of the warheads need to be intercepted. Only those that are on dangerous trajectory, hence the accuracy is extremely important factor when estimating what Iran could do with x pieces of missiles. I would guess that the Israeli Arrow missile stock is relatively limited considering the price of those, low three digit number, but thatīs just my guess. They just cannot afford to have "hundreds" of them. In any case, ballistic missiles are pretty overrated for the real war starts, they are relatively inefficient when comparing to other conventional weapons. Single F15 sortie delievers more bang than one disposable ballistic missile although BMs are much better against certain hardened targets (while have much worse accuracy than aircraft carried weapons). Some people say that the alleged C.E.P. of 250 claimed by Iranīs best missiles is an overstatement, but if it is true, it still means that 50 % of the warheads wonīt hit a circle that is 500 m wide. Against many essential targets it means that you need a lucky shot or multiple missiles to engage it effectively.
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Re: how many arrow missiles does israel have?
« Reply #3 on: July 18, 2012, 10:11:06 AM »
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Quote from: mustavaris on July 17, 2012, 02:59:40 PM
On the other hand, not all of the warheads need to be intercepted. Only those that are on dangerous trajectory, hence the accuracy is extremely important factor when estimating what Iran could do with x pieces of missiles...Some people say that the alleged C.E.P. of 250 claimed by Iranīs best missiles is an overstatement, but if it is true, it still means that 50 % of the warheads wonīt hit a circle that is 500 m wide. Against many essential targets it means that you need a lucky shot or multiple missiles to engage it effectively.


Whether that is true or not, i think it would still hit israel, it wouldnt fall in the sea, so the israeli defence wont just sit there and they will have to intercept it, so if the arrows are used up to shield from the older shahab missiles, the newer shahab, ghadr110 and sejil can be used to hit the targets more accuratley. Also 150 missiles, atleast 50 are gonna hit the targets.

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In any case, ballistic missiles are pretty overrated for the real war starts, they are relatively inefficient when comparing to other conventional weapons. Single F15 sortie delievers more bang than one disposable ballistic missile although BMs are much better against certain hardened targets (while have much worse accuracy than aircraft carried weapons).

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Re: how many arrow missiles does israel have?
« Reply #4 on: July 18, 2012, 10:24:34 AM »
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Hitting just "Israel" would typically mean "hitting dirt", hence no need for interception unless the warhead is maneuvering one.

What comes to the later remark: whatever:D
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Re: how many arrow missiles does israel have?
« Reply #5 on: July 18, 2012, 10:31:14 AM »
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Quote from: mustavaris on July 18, 2012, 10:24:34 AM
Hitting just "Israel" would typically mean "hitting dirt", hence no need for interception unless the warhead is maneuvering one.

What comes to the later remark: whatever:D

I dont think Israel would know from miles off where the missiles would land, if they see a big missile like a shahab on their radar, they will intercept, i dont think they have the technology that tells them "hold on no need to intercept, that ones going no where". I dont know, do they?
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Re: how many arrow missiles does israel have?
« Reply #6 on: July 18, 2012, 11:17:46 AM »
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That tech was already in limited use in 1991 when Iraqi scuds were being intercepted by Patriots with varying levels of success. You know, those missiles... are ballistic missiles. The last advancements in this field are already at tactical level (Iron Dome and other similar systems).

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I dont think Israel would know from miles off where the missiles would land, if they see a big missile like a shahab on their radar, they will intercept, i dont think they have the technology that tells them "hold on no need to intercept, that ones going no where". I dont know, do they?
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Re: how many arrow missiles does israel have?
« Reply #7 on: July 18, 2012, 11:39:56 AM »
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Quote from: mustavaris on July 18, 2012, 11:17:46 AM
That tech was already in limited use in 1991 when Iraqi scuds were being intercepted by Patriots with varying levels of success. You know, those missiles... are ballistic missiles. The last advancements in this field are already at tactical level (Iron Dome and other similar systems).

If Israel has the technology mentioned above, the war if it does happen would be very much based on luck (how many missiles actually travel to the target) and how accurate the newer missiles of Iran are, and how many of those they have as suppose to the number of all the missiles in the iranian inventory.
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Re: how many arrow missiles does israel have?
« Reply #8 on: July 18, 2012, 06:10:59 PM »
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Like I said; accuracy of Iranian missiles is critical factor. If they can reliably strike pin point targets, hundred missiles can overcome Israeli defences.. if their missiles are still city busters, they need to launch that hundred at once. And they would still need luck to cause anything more than civilian casualties.
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how many arrow missiles does israel have?
« Reply #9 on: July 19, 2012, 02:58:39 PM »
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Iran vs Israel one on one is impossible anyway so Irans task is even harder becasue the arabs, europe and america would help out aswell, espically when the missile shield is put in to place.

http://youtu.be/r3dpfY3SgJE

The commander here says Iran’s missiles are accurate, he says  it only has 20-30 meters deviation which is acceptable since the explosion is much bigger than that.
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